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Immigrant Debate Shifting Under GOPís Feet [GOP Leadership Eunuched!]
The Washington Times ^ | June 19, 2012 | Seth McLaughlin and Ralph Z. Hallow

Posted on 06/19/2012 6:11:45 PM PDT by Steelfish

Immigrant Debate Shifting Under GOP’s Feet Administration’s decision gets muted reaction

By Seth McLaughlin and Ralph Z. Hallow June 18, 2012

JANESVILLE, Wis. — Randy Braden doesn’t have a problem with President Obama’s decision to effectively stop trying to deport many children of illegal immigrants, but he does have a problem with the way he went about it.

The 60-year-old retired agriculture worker from nearby Milton is one of a number of people who turned out Monday for Mitt Romney’s “Every Town Counts” bus trip through small towns and cities that expressed a willingness to cut this group of illegal immigrants some slack — a sharp departure from the past when presidential candidates were given little wiggle room on the issue.

“It probably is the right thing to do; however, like a lot of things, it is a short-term fix,” Mr. Braden said, alluding to Mr. Obama’s announcement Friday that the Department of Justice would stop deporting some young adults who were brought to the U.S. illegally as children. “If he was really serious about illegal immigration and reform, he should have been doing that the first two years in office” when Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate.

The muted reaction on the ground — and Mr. Romney’s carefully modulated response over the weekend to Mr. Obama’s surprise order — could signal an unexpected shift in what has been one of the country’s thorniest political issues, a shift that comes as the ranks of illegal immigrants in the country have stalled for the first time in years.

While Mr. Romney, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, faced some uncomfortable moments on CBS‘ “Face the Nation” as he declined to take a firm stand on Mr. Obama’s order, ....

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1 posted on 06/19/2012 6:11:49 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

While Mr. Romney, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, faced some uncomfortable moments on CBS‘ “Face the Nation” as he declined to take a firm stand
***That’s what we can expect from a Romney administration on every topic of interest to conservatives.


2 posted on 06/19/2012 6:15:53 PM PDT by Kevmo (SUCINOFRAGOPWIASS: Shut Up, CINOs; Free Republic Aint a GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Steelfish

Fascism and the bringing down of America are here to stay. How ‘bout that “fundamental transformation”?! English is about to become the second language here.


3 posted on 06/19/2012 6:16:37 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (64% of Americans support amnesty and find the Wet DREAM Act "a big hit!" - New Bloomberg Poll)
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To: Steelfish

I don’t think the GOPe RINO’s are one bit displeased with
this order from Zero. Quite the contrary.


4 posted on 06/19/2012 6:19:25 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: Kevmo

And they’re trying to shove Rubio down our throats. Today, Rubio went to that old standby of “you wouldn’t care if they were Canadian”.


5 posted on 06/19/2012 6:23:42 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

‘Rubio went to that old standby of “you wouldn’t care if they were Canadian’

Rubio was for amnesty in the very beginning, then he tempered his remarks so as not to offend the base. Now that he sees little backlash to illegal immigration his true color comes out.


6 posted on 06/19/2012 6:30:25 PM PDT by doc
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To: Steelfish

If they are here for work, they are taking jobs from Americans.
If they are not working, they are taking resources for already strained social services and charities needed by Americans.
Either way, they all need to go.


7 posted on 06/19/2012 6:33:22 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: tbw2

You stated the true facts.


8 posted on 06/19/2012 6:37:05 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: cripplecreek

A couple of questions for the board.

1. Sense all the laws passed by congress reguarding illegal aliens are still on the books how can the government chose to selectively inforce these laws? What happened to the equal protection clause? Is this equitable? Why should Maria Gomez who sneaked over the border at age 18 and has been working as a maid for 10 years be deported and Juan Garcia who came over with his parents at 15 be granted immunity?

2. How does an illegal alien get into the US military? Aren’t SSN# used as military ID these days?

CC


9 posted on 06/19/2012 6:37:05 PM PDT by Captain Compassion
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To: Captain Compassion

I really can’t answer.

Just the other day, Joe Arpio said he signs them all up with the selective service “As required by law”.


10 posted on 06/19/2012 6:40:17 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Captain Compassion

Since some foreigners can join the US military, I doubt the US military worries very much about where an eligible foreign national happens to be when they join up.


11 posted on 06/19/2012 6:41:52 PM PDT by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress))
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To: cripplecreek; Kevmo
Saying we wouldn't care if they were Canadian is rather like telling us we are heartless.

One of my ancestors was on the boat that discovered Cuba in 1502. This stinkin' newcomer has his comeupence ~ guy can go back there if he wants.

The fundamental deal for all the Hispanics is they had their choice in 1604 when KIng Philippe carved up North America. He left a desolate dry wasteland others would call Virginia to the European broadmasses ~ and a much better place called Acadia to the French. He reserved the vast resources West of Hudson's Bay to himself, and the equally vast territory West of the Mississippi to Spaniards.

Mexico was retained, as was Central America.

The Spaniards and their lackeys generally abandoned that thin strip of land marked out in the highest peaks of the Appalachians and the Atlantic ~ then the fools rushed in and died by the tens of thousands. It took a truly incredible amount of hard work and sacrifice to arrive at the United States of America. Centuries of it.

I really don't think we owe these hispanic people anything. They've wasted their patrimony and we're out of calves to slaughter for them.

12 posted on 06/19/2012 7:01:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Steelfish
My. My. My. The Elitist Republican establishment wing of the ruling class will not come out against illegal aliens. I am shocked; shocked I tell you that the same people who WANT, DESPERATELY WANT, to be loved and admired more than respected for obeying written law are now silent on the DREAMERS is truly amazing. Do you think they have figured out yet that their days are numbered regardless if Mittsy wins? Please vote TEA party candidates this election cycle. The few true conservatives in Congress (both houses) need help in holding back the reckless spending of the last 50 years.
13 posted on 06/19/2012 7:06:41 PM PDT by cashless (Unlike Obama and his supporters, I'd rather be a TEA BAGGER than a TEA BAGGEE.)
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To: Steelfish

Obama’s scam to change the discussion from the economy to sympathy for illegals seems to be gaining traction.

Thanks in part to RINOs who were happy to jump up on the soapbox Obama provided.


14 posted on 06/19/2012 7:13:49 PM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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To: Captain Compassion

1) Juan Garcia did not break the law entering the USA because he was not of age and Maria Gomez did because of her age. That makes Juan an alien without status and Maria an illegal alien. Obama targeted the former group on purpose.

2)Many aliens such as Juan received SS numbers through the public schools and since the Juan group are not considered criminal only without status.


15 posted on 06/19/2012 7:27:05 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: Steelfish

GOP leaders are cowardly fools for not telling black yutes. You have a 56% unemployment rate, and here Obama has just made one million young illegals,now legal for them to enter the work force and compete with you for jobs. in other words, Obama has just thrown you young blacks under the bus to score political points with the Hispanics

But the RINOs don’t have the guts to fight back via class. if reversed, the dems would be all over it in that vein like stink on chit.


16 posted on 06/19/2012 7:27:43 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (A man with his feet hacked off tends not to scurry far. - Norse proverb)
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To: muawiyah

I grew up thinking that my great grandfather had arrived as an Austrian boy by way of Canada in 1912. Now we know that he was actually a Polish Jew from Buchovina who changed his name 3 times in getting here and he did it all at somewhere between 9 and 13 years old. He came over on the Mount Temple which had an interesting and short history of its own.

In the 20s he ended up working for the Purple Gang in Detroit as a diver unstrapping kegs from boat hulls on the Detroit river.


17 posted on 06/19/2012 7:47:44 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Iron Munro
Where is the empathy for the children of law abiding Americans and legal immigrants who are suffering the worst economy since the Great Depression through no fault of their own?

Why are we rewarding lawbreakers and their children while millions of citizens are unemployed? Where is the concern for them? Where are the jobs that Americans won't do?

Should we all ignore laws we don't like? That would transform the country more than Obama's dictatorial actions will.

18 posted on 06/19/2012 7:55:55 PM PDT by Betty Jane
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To: cripplecreek

“you wouldn’t care if they were Canadian”.
***But we do. There is a ton of competition for jobs, and it does not matter where the illegal competition comes from, north / south / east/ or west.


19 posted on 06/19/2012 7:57:23 PM PDT by Kevmo (SUCINOFRAGOPWIASS: Shut Up, CINOs; Free Republic Aint a GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Kevmo

The last numbers I saw on illegals from Canada was an inflated 80,000 in 2008, The site was a pro open border site bashing our stance on Mexico.

I’m guessing the number of illegal Canadians is probably less than 20,000. It doesn’t make sense for Canadians to live here illegally. I speak from Michigan where we have a very close relationship with Canada.

Hell, they’re buying us a bridge.


20 posted on 06/19/2012 8:03:50 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cashless

Do you think they have figured out yet that their days are numbered regardless if Mittsy wins?
***Their days are not numbered because we conservatives are too cowardly to take them on. We see their type all across Free Republic, let alone in Republican circles.

If we had any gonads we’d have set up an idealogy litmus matrix here on FR that I proposed more than 4 years ago. But it aint gonna happen, so the CINOs days are not numbered, even here on FR.


21 posted on 06/19/2012 8:04:28 PM PDT by Kevmo (SUCINOFRAGOPWIASS: Shut Up, CINOs; Free Republic Aint a GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: cripplecreek

THAT is an incredible story!!! Editorial, please.


22 posted on 06/19/2012 8:31:28 PM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: Kevmo; cashless

“Their days are not numbered because we conservatives are too cowardly to take them on.”

Bullseye. I concur. The way things are is the way things stay. We will NOT resist or rebel. We comply and cooperate and shall get exactly what we deserve for another four to eight years.

RNC rigs the primary. The state committees herd the delegates in compliance with the RNC and wallah.

There is not much left to save when the people are sheep.


23 posted on 06/19/2012 8:37:26 PM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: the_daug

“1) Juan Garcia did not break the law entering the USA because he was not of age and Maria Gomez did because of her age. That makes Juan an alien without status and Maria an illegal alien. Obama targeted the former group on purpose.”

It is against the law for foreign nationals to be in this country without proper documentation. The law does not make any differeniation as to how and when the Foreign national entered the country. BHO’s order did not change this law only who is to be prosicuted. Both Jaun and Maria are breaking the law. Is this equal protection under the law?

The US military does allow non citizen legal residents to join the military not undocumented aliens. Those illegals who have joined would have to have purgured themselves at a minimum. If found out they are discharged under less than honorable conditions

CC


24 posted on 06/19/2012 8:44:59 PM PDT by Captain Compassion
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To: cashless
The few true conservatives in Congress (both houses) need help in holding back the reckless spending of the last 50 years.

Yep, both of them.

25 posted on 06/19/2012 9:19:46 PM PDT by itsahoot (About that Coup d'état we had in 08, anyone worried yet?)
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To: tbw2
If they are here for work, they are taking jobs from Americans. If they are not working, they are taking resources for already strained social services and charities needed by Americans. Either way, they all need to go.

I am a guy who has built houses as an owner-builder in the SF Bay Area, I am not so sure this is true.

I tried long and hard to find real Americans who would work in construction. College students would tire out in half a day working next to me while I was in my 40s. I never saw a welfare receipent who wanted to work at all. But, the average hispanic day laborer from the Home Depot parking lot could work rings around any American I could afford.

And at the end of the day the Americans would drop my tools on the ground where they stood and go home. The day laborers would take them to the tool shed and carefully lock them up--they knew that tomorrows work depended on those tools being there.

Many of the illegals are doing work Americans won't do, or will do so expensively they have priced themselves out of the market. Sometimes the Amereicans just have a poor attitude.

26 posted on 06/19/2012 9:46:24 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: Betty Jane

“Where is the empathy for the children of law abiding Americans and legal immigrants who are suffering the worst economy since the Great Depression through no fault of their own?”

I wish all of our ‘conservative’ talk radio folks would hammer away with this question daily. It need not be answered, for to ask it will get people to realize on their own what really at stake here (our culture too).


27 posted on 06/19/2012 9:49:06 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (The GOPe has played us like a violin for the last time; high time to build the Constitution Party.)
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To: dalereed

Read number 26 Dale, get your blood boiling.


28 posted on 06/19/2012 11:18:06 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Come quickly Lord Jesus.)
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To: CurlyDave; Graybeard58; dalereed

CurlyDave; Graybeard58; dalereed

I call bull shiite.

I’m in the SF Bay Area as well. Freepmail me your address and I’ll check out the conditions you’re offering in your workplace, as well as how “long and hard” you tried to find real Americans. If you’re so proud of what you offer, it shouldn’t prove to be a bother.

What you call “pricing themselves out of the market” is a market that has been convoluted by the presence of illegal immigrants. Paying someone $5/hour because they’re desperate is incredibly exploitative.

I know, I know, I’ll get nuthin’ but crickets from you, because can’t defend this moral position. Guys like you make my blood boil, like Graybeard says.


29 posted on 06/20/2012 12:25:31 AM PDT by Kevmo (SUCINOFRAGOPWIASS: Shut Up, CINOs; Free Republic Aint a GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: RitaOK

RNC rigs the primary.

***Here’s how I think primaries should be organized:

My suggestion is basically to hold the first primary in the state that has the highest percentage of GOP votes in the last election, the 2nd primary in the 2nd highest, and so on. 2 primaries a week for 25 weeks, with the last primaries being the suckup-to-the-democrats. And the democrats could easily have their primary schedule the same way, if they wanted.

This way, if a state is 60% republican, there is still incentive for them to get out the vote for 61% republican so they can bump up their state in the primary schedule.

Also: Rotate all the states (even the big ones) through an early schedule so that everyone gets access at some point to the front line.

OR

Let each state bid when they want their primary to take place. The earlier the primary, the fewer the delegates they control according to some logarithmic or steep curve formula.

18 posted on Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:55:08 AM by Kevmo (We need to get rid of the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. ~Duncan Hunter) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1962610/posts?page=18#18

Second thing is the order of the primaries should be determined by the percentage of republicans in the last vote. The higher the %pubbie, the sooner the state appears on the primary schedule, with a mix of big & little states and our staunchest republican states get to go FIRST. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1965735/posts?page=862#862

24 posted on Friday, September 04, 2009 8:52:29 PM by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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30 posted on 06/20/2012 12:28:52 AM PDT by Kevmo (SUCINOFRAGOPWIASS: Shut Up, CINOs; Free Republic Aint a GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Steelfish

“For the children” seems to work every time, doncha know?


31 posted on 06/20/2012 12:43:09 AM PDT by tinamina
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To: cripplecreek

Now that was a job involved deeply in the public health sector. My daughter in law kills mosquitos for example ~ in mass ~ HUGE ~ MONSTROUS quantities. Without her everybody around here would have malaria. Without those kegs all the folks with problems treatable (in that day) through ‘self medication’ would have been at lost ends.


32 posted on 06/20/2012 5:07:21 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: CurlyDave
"I could afford" ~ there's your problem.

Take those illegals away and let the market seek it's American level and you'd still be building houses.

Hope you've noticed but you guys used those illegals to overbuild by 15 years. We can't sell 'em for you. That's why you are out of business.

33 posted on 06/20/2012 5:11:30 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: RitaOK

So far we’ve found that my great grandfather and his sister set sail from Antwerp on the SS Mount Temple under the name Grabski with Buchovina listed as their point of origin. They were traveling with a man claiming to be their father at some points in the journey and claiming to be an uncle at other points.

They spent a few years in St Catherines Ontario under the name Grabstein. When they arrived at the port of Detroit the name had changed to Hartmann. The man claiming to be the father signed custody over to a family from Wisconsin who had a French name (which I can’t recall right now) but my grandfather called them “The Swedes”. The man acting as their father appears to have returned to Europe.

My Great Granddad and his sister lived with the swedes till my granddad was a young adult when he returned to Detroit during prohibition. In Detroit he met my great grandmother who was there hiding with he mother and sister because their father was on some kind of family killing spree (He died in a mental hospital)

They got married in Detroit then returned to Wisconsin where my grandfather learned tool and die making and My grandfather and his sister were both born in Beloit Wisconsin. The family moved to Jackson Michigan in about 1940 where my great grandfather worked as a tool and die maker till retirement.


34 posted on 06/20/2012 5:29:02 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: muawiyah

The purple gang were in health and human services apparently. Mostly they did population control and wealth redistribution. They also kept Al Capone at bay.


35 posted on 06/20/2012 5:40:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Captain Compassion

Civil infraction, Criminal infraction there is a difference.


36 posted on 06/20/2012 8:21:44 AM PDT by the_daug
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To: Captain Compassion
World War II Vet Finds Out He Is Not a U.S. Citizen
37 posted on 06/20/2012 8:30:39 AM PDT by the_daug
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To: JLS
Nidal Malik Hasan!

They should worry, not only about foreigners, but also about the planted foreign sleeper terrorists.

38 posted on 06/21/2012 11:42:14 PM PDT by tdscpa
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