Fall of Mankind

Renew America ^ | June 20, 2012 | Linda Kimball

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for the link, dear Matchett-PI!

[Willgamer]

Extraordinarly well researched, and distilled for consumption by not-philosophy-trained folk, article.

Seems we are fast approaching the level evil civilization attained prior to Noah’s flood.

Christians are challeged more than ever to stand fast in the gospel of Jesus Christ, Messiah and Creator.

Sola Gratia, Sola Deo!

[MHGinTN]

How very profound is the picture of a baby and mother holding eye contact ... until we become attentive to the 'other' our self is not differentiating. And God made us to do just that, differentiate, yet we ought never lose track of what is The Face of The Deep and Whom moved upon 'it'.

Doesn't look like even a few want to get into the discussion, Brother. so, I fail.

[tpanther]

“…life on earth may have begun when aliens from another planet sent a rocket ship containing spores to seed the earth."

then ya gotta love it when the liberals turn around and say things like "fairy tale creation story".

[mitch5501]

Thankyou for pinging me spirited irish.

Amen A-G it was indeed well and trully said!

"It cannot and will not tolerate a Mind above it’s own mind or an Authority above its’ own will"

Where God is concerned,what they are doing is akin to standing on the surface of the sun expecting to cast a shadow.

"They will come face to face with He Whom they utterly denied and discover that He does exist, as do heaven and hell."

That right there is an awefull terror to contemplate.One that surely none of us would ever wish on anyone.I suppose it must be God alone who will bear the pain of the lost whilst we experience joy unspeakable f.o.r.e.v.e.r.

I find I must often slap myself up the side of my head to keep the gravity of all this front and centre.

God bless you guys!

[Alamo-Girl]

Where God is concerned,what they are doing is akin to standing on the surface of the sun expecting to cast a shadow.

Excellent analogy! Thank you so very much, dear mitch5501!

[spirited irish]

Another clear-eyed chronicler of the West's fall was Jonathan Swift. By 1700, animus toward the supernatural Creator, Truth, Moral Law and sexual ethics was boldly moving over and across Christendom. Men calling themselves “freethinkers” were the main antagonists of that time. In 1708 the ascerbic Swift skewered freethinkers and the “social advantages” they saw in the abolition of Christianity: “I appeal to the polite freethinker, whether in the pursuit of gratifying passion, he hath not always felt a wonderful incitement by reflecting it was a thing forbidden. It is proposed as a great advantage to the public that if we discard the Gospel, all religion will be banished forever, and consequently those grievous prejudices of education, which under the names of virtue, conscience, honour, justice, and the like, so apt to disturb the peace of human minds (and) so hard to be eradicated by right reason or freethinking, sometimes during the whole course of our lives. Christianity is hateful because by laying restraints on human nature (it is) the great enemy of the freedom of thought and action.” (Gulliver’s Travels and Other Writings, Jonathan Swift, pp 449-454) Beginning with the "freethinkers" a line of descent connects to a Berlin rally held in front of the Reichstag building in 1918 featuring "Magnus Hirschfield, socialist leader of the Homosexual Emancipation Movement..." to Lenin and Trotsky who likewise regarded homosexuality, transgender, and lesbianism superior to the Genesis account of man..."in their pride-induced madness they unleashed its destructive forces upon Eastern-Orthodox Christian Russia." "Soviet “sexologists” in the 1920s participated in the international movement for sexual reform. A pamphlet titled “The Sexual Revolution in Russia” stated: “Soviet legislation bases itself on the following principle: it declares the absolute non-interference of the State and society into sexual matters as long as nobody is injured, and no one’s interests are encroached upon. Concerning homosexuality, sodomy, and various other forms of sexual gratification, which are set down in European legislation as offenses against public morality—Soviet legislation treats these the same as so-called “natural” intercourse.” (Soviet Union in the 1920s: Scientific, not Utopian, www.workers.org) The Communist Party did not merely scrap anti-sodomy laws. They felt it was necessary to forcefully tear down the walls that divided sodomy from the rest of society. Soviet Russia was by far the most significant power since the French Revolution to decriminalize sodomy. (People of the Moonlight in the Dawn of Revolution, www.workers.org) The first demands for same-sex marriage, sex reassignment surgery, and the right to “cross-dress” were not made in post-Stonewall America but in Communist Russia as affirmed in the Workers World article, “1920s Soviet Union: Rights for Lesbians, Transgenders, Transsexuals.” It was also reported that masculinized, cross-dressing females were rewarded with influential positions of authority and influence throughout academia, the Red Army, and in the cultural arena, “women of the masculinized type (cross-dressing army commanders, for instance) were considered with fascination and indulgence.” (www.workers.org) The same article bashes “backward” Christian-Judeo America for not allowing the mainstreaming of perversion: “That same year (1923) in the U.S., where anti-sodomy laws aimed to padlock closet doors, the FBI labeled anarchist Emma Goldman ‘the most dangerous woman in America’ because of her vocal support for gay rights and other forms of social equality.” (ibid) From Lenin and Trotsky the line connects to Ernst Rohm, a sadomasochist sodomite and Hitler’s right-hand man. "An icon for many gay activists today, Rohm was also a key player in the early gay movement as Progressive gay journalist, Johann Hari reveals: “Rohm was the founding father of Nazism. He believed that gay people were superior to straights and saw homosexuality as a key principle of his proposed Brave New Fascist Order. As historian Louis Snyder explains, Rohm projected a social order in which homosexuality would be regarded as a human behavior of high repute.” (www.JohannHari.com)" From Rohm it descends to David Thorstadt, a prominent member of the gay rights movement, a Trotskyist, and founder of NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Assoc.),who co-authored with John Lauritson, a history of the early gay rights movement in 1974. Entitled “The Early Homosexual Rights Movement: 1864-1935″ Lauritson’s history links the modern “gay” Stonewall Rebellion to its birth in Germany in 1864. It also details the linkage to socialism. The communist Workers World Newspaper concurs with Thorstadt: “The first great wave of struggle to demand sexual and gender emancipation had taken place from 1869 to 1935. It began in Germany. It was a dynamic, expanding movement that grew to be international.” (Rise of German Homosexual Emancipation Movement, www.workers.org) Excerpts from "America Falling Into Hell: A Brief Timeline of the Gay Movement http://patriotsandliberty.com/?p=17661

[MHGinTN]

Could you put some paragraph separations into that?

[spirited irish]

(Sorry about that mess! Don't know why the text ran together, but try this version) Another clear-eyed chronicler of the West's fall was Jonathan Swift. By 1700, animus toward the supernatural Creator, Truth, Moral Law and sexual ethics was boldly moving over and across Christendom. Men calling themselves “freethinkers” were the main antagonists of that time. In 1708 the ascerbic Swift skewered freethinkers and the “social advantages” they saw in the abolition of Christianity: “I appeal to the polite freethinker, whether in the pursuit of gratifying passion, he hath not always felt a wonderful incitement by reflecting it was a thing forbidden. It is proposed as a great advantage to the public that if we discard the Gospel, all religion will be banished forever, and consequently those grievous prejudices of education, which under the names of virtue, conscience, honour, justice, and the like, so apt to disturb the peace of human minds (and) so hard to be eradicated by right reason or freethinking, sometimes during the whole course of our lives. Christianity is hateful because by laying restraints on human nature (it is) the great enemy of the freedom of thought and action.” (Gulliver’s Travels and Other Writings, Jonathan Swift, pp 449-454) Beginning with the "freethinkers" a line of descent connects to a Berlin rally held in front of the Reichstag building in 1918 featuring "Magnus Hirschfield, socialist leader of the Homosexual Emancipation Movement..." to Lenin and Trotsky who likewise regarded homosexuality, transgender, and lesbianism superior to the Genesis account of man..."in their pride-induced madness they unleashed its destructive forces upon Eastern-Orthodox Christian Russia." "Soviet “sexologists” in the 1920s participated in the international movement for sexual reform. A pamphlet titled “The Sexual Revolution in Russia” stated: “Soviet legislation bases itself on the following principle: it declares the absolute non-interference of the State and society into sexual matters as long as nobody is injured, and no one’s interests are encroached upon. Concerning homosexuality, sodomy, and various other forms of sexual gratification, which are set down in European legislation as offenses against public morality—Soviet legislation treats these the same as so-called “natural” intercourse.” (Soviet Union in the 1920s: Scientific, not Utopian, www.workers.org) The Communist Party did not merely scrap anti-sodomy laws. They felt it was necessary to forcefully tear down the walls that divided sodomy from the rest of society. Soviet Russia was by far the most significant power since the French Revolution to decriminalize sodomy. (People of the Moonlight in the Dawn of Revolution, www.workers.org) The first demands for same-sex marriage, sex reassignment surgery, and the right to “cross-dress” were not made in post-Stonewall America but in Communist Russia as affirmed in the Workers World article, “1920s Soviet Union: Rights for Lesbians, Transgenders, Transsexuals.” It was also reported that masculinized, cross-dressing females were rewarded with influential positions of authority and influence throughout academia, the Red Army, and in the cultural arena, “women of the masculinized type (cross-dressing army commanders, for instance) were considered with fascination and indulgence.” (www.workers.org) The same article bashes “backward” Christian-Judeo America for not allowing the mainstreaming of perversion: “That same year (1923) in the U.S., where anti-sodomy laws aimed to padlock closet doors, the FBI labeled anarchist Emma Goldman ‘the most dangerous woman in America’ because of her vocal support for gay rights and other forms of social equality.” (ibid) From Lenin and Trotsky the line connects to Ernst Rohm, a sadomasochist sodomite and Hitler’s right-hand man. "An icon for many gay activists today, Rohm was also a key player in the early gay movement as Progressive gay journalist, Johann Hari reveals: “Rohm was the founding father of Nazism. He believed that gay people were superior to straights and saw homosexuality as a key principle of his proposed Brave New Fascist Order. As historian Louis Snyder explains, Rohm projected a social order in which homosexuality would be regarded as a human behavior of high repute.” (www.JohannHari.com)" From Rohm the line descends to David Thorstadt, a prominent member of the gay rights movement, a Trotskyist, and founder of NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Assoc.),who co-authored with John Lauritson, a history of the early gay rights movement in 1974. Entitled “The Early Homosexual Rights Movement: 1864-1935″ Lauritson’s history links the modern “gay” Stonewall Rebellion to its birth in Germany in 1864. It also details the linkage to socialism. The communist Workers World Newspaper concurs with Thorstadt: “The first great wave of struggle to demand sexual and gender emancipation had taken place from 1869 to 1935. It began in Germany. It was a dynamic, expanding movement that grew to be international.” (Rise of German Homosexual Emancipation Movement, www.workers.org) Excerpts from "America Falling Into Hell: A Brief Timeline of the Gay Movement http://patriotsandliberty.com/?p=17661

[spirited irish]

I’m stumped. Even after putting four spaces between each paragraph everything ran together. Anyone know what went wrong?

[SCalGal]

html sandbox. put < p > without the spaces between paragraphs.

[spirited irish]

Another clear-eyed chronicler of the West's fall was Jonathan Swift. By 1700, animus toward the supernatural Creator, Truth, Moral Law and sexual ethics was boldly moving over and across Christendom. Men calling themselves “freethinkers” were the main antagonists of that time. In 1708 the ascerbic Swift skewered freethinkers and the “social advantages” they saw in the abolition of Christianity:

“I appeal to the polite freethinker, whether in the pursuit of gratifying passion, he hath not always felt a wonderful incitement by reflecting it was a thing forbidden. It is proposed as a great advantage to the public that if we discard the Gospel, all religion will be banished forever, and consequently those grievous prejudices of education, which under the names of virtue, conscience, honour, justice, and the like, so apt to disturb the peace of human minds (and) so hard to be eradicated by right reason or freethinking, sometimes during the whole course of our lives. Christianity is hateful because by laying restraints on human nature (it is) the great enemy of the freedom of thought and action.” (Gulliver’s Travels and Other Writings, Jonathan Swift, pp 449-454)

"Soviet “sexologists” in the 1920s participated in the international movement for sexual reform. A pamphlet titled “The Sexual Revolution in Russia” stated:

“Soviet legislation bases itself on the following principle: it declares the absolute non-interference of the State and society into sexual matters as long as nobody is injured, and no one’s interests are encroached upon. Concerning homosexuality, sodomy, and various other forms of sexual gratification, which are set down in European legislation as offenses against public morality—Soviet legislation treats these the same as so-called “natural” intercourse.” (Soviet Union in the 1920s: Scientific, not Utopian, www.workers.org)

The Communist Party did not merely scrap anti-sodomy laws. They felt it was necessary to forcefully tear down the walls that divided sodomy from the rest of society. Soviet Russia was by far the most significant power since the French Revolution to decriminalize sodomy. (People of the Moonlight in the Dawn of Revolution, www.workers.org)

The first demands for same-sex marriage, sex reassignment surgery, and the right to “cross-dress” were not made in post-Stonewall America but in Communist Russia as affirmed in the Workers World article, “1920s Soviet Union: Rights for Lesbians, Transgenders, Transsexuals.”

It was also reported that masculinized, cross-dressing females were rewarded with influential positions of authority and influence throughout academia, the Red Army, and in the cultural arena, “women of the masculinized type (cross-dressing army commanders, for instance) were considered with fascination and indulgence.” (www.workers.org)

The same article bashes “backward” Christian-Judeo America for not allowing the mainstreaming of perversion:

“That same year (1923) in the U.S., where anti-sodomy laws aimed to padlock closet doors, the FBI labeled anarchist Emma Goldman ‘the most dangerous woman in America’ because of her vocal support for gay rights and other forms of social equality.” (ibid)

From Lenin and Trotsky the line connects to Ernst Rohm, a sadomasochist sodomite and Hitler’s right-hand man. "An icon for many gay activists today, Rohm was also a key player in the early gay movement as Progressive gay journalist, Johann Hari reveals:

“Rohm was the founding father of Nazism. He believed that gay people were superior to straights and saw homosexuality as a key principle of his proposed Brave New Fascist Order. As historian Louis Snyder explains, Rohm projected a social order in which homosexuality would be regarded as a human behavior of high repute.” (www.JohannHari.com)"

From Rohm the line descends to David Thorstadt, a prominent member of the gay rights movement, a Trotskyist, and founder of NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Assoc.),who co-authored with John Lauritson, a history of the early gay rights movement in 1974. Entitled “The Early Homosexual Rights Movement: 1864-1935″ Lauritson’s history links the modern “gay” Stonewall Rebellion to its birth in Germany in 1864. It also details the linkage to socialism.

The communist Workers World Newspaper concurs with Thorstadt:

“The first great wave of struggle to demand sexual and gender emancipation had taken place from 1869 to 1935. It began in Germany. It was a dynamic, expanding movement that grew to be international.” (Rise of German Homosexual Emancipation Movement, www.workers.org)

Excerpts from "America Falling Into Hell: A Brief Timeline of the Gay Movement http://patriotsandliberty.com/?p=17661

[MHGinTN]

It is a tabooing of behaviors that works most mightily to form the structure of a culture. erode the taboo structure right before folks eyes and they will not realize the agenda is to ruin the society by degenerating the culture. Homosexual degeneracy is perhaps one of the most murderous forces to the soul of an individual and thus to the collective taboo structure holding a society together. Perhaps that’s why God addressed it directly in Scripture, and why satan works so tirelessly to gain societal tolerance for such degeneracy.

[YHAOS]

Try putting a < br > between each < P >.

Otherwise I don't know what to tell ya.

[mitch5501]

Thanks A-G.I often use that to illustrate the folly of relying on our own works to save us.To think that we might have anything good of ourselves to present when we face God is akin to...

Threads of this type are a wonderfull 'nutshelling' of so many things we see around us as christians."He who endures to the end..." is made so much easier because these threads help us to "...make our calling and election sure".Keeping in mind that with that comes the promise "if ye do these things ye shall never fall" I'm very thankfull for your input and to dear spirited irish for posting!

Sobering but also wonderfull!

Grace and peace to you all in Jesus name.

pinging my daughter Shuwlanmiyth(a brand new FReeper) as she is very interested in reading the posts of my favourite FReepers after years of hearing me rant about you guys.

[spirited irish]

ping to “evolution, religion of ‘new’ paganism”

[spirited irish]

“Threads of this type are a wonderfull ‘nutshelling’ of so many things we see around us as christians.”He who endures to the end...” is made so much easier because these threads help us to “...make our calling and election sure”

Spirited: Threads such as this penetrate, analyze and expose the fallacies, illogic, and inverted reasoning inherent within what Scripture terms the “philosophies of men.” Hence they serve to edify and strengthen the saints on the principle, “the Truth will set you free.”

From the days of Noah till our own the philosophies and/or ideologies of men have stood in opposition to the Revealed Word, commands, and statutes of the living, supernatural God.

Athanasius makes clear that the philosophies of men are in fact idolatry and paganism, which is the transference to nature of what belongs to the living God.

The transference to nature of what belongs to God is today called “evolutionary science” or “scientific materialism.”

[wintertime]

“Threads of this type are a wonderfull ‘nutshelling’ of so many things we see around us as christians.
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So?....What do we DO about it? !!! I suggest that we make schooling a major part of the solution!

CLOSE DOWN THE GODLESS, SOCIALIST-ENTITLEMENT, GOVERNMENT K-12 SCHOOLS!!!!

Conservatives please share my urgency! We must get our nation's children into private schooling setting ( preferably not based on the prison-like Prussian model) that upholds their family's specific Judeo/Christian beliefs and our nation's founding principles.

Yes, I am shouting, jumping up and down, and having a fit!

[MrB]

I heard a great logical argument based on what we know to be the “laws” of the universe, proving the “Uncaused Cause”.

First, if the current universe had been around for ever, everything would be the same temperature by now, so there must be a finite time in the past where everything came into existance.

Second, if there was ever a time in the past when there was absolutely NOTHING, what would there be now? Nothing still, of course.

And, due to the laws of matter & energy not being created or destroyed, that Something could not have been matter or energy, but had to be Mind or Spirit, ie, God.

[MrB]

Somewhere I heard someone say “you can be as gods”, or something to that effect.

Satan - the first humanist. Humanists will actually agree.