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Contempt: Committee votes 23-17, finds Attorney General Holder in contempt; Update: Holder responds,
Twitchy US Politics ^ | June 20, 2012 | Mark Knoller

Posted on 06/20/2012 3:04:42 PM PDT by lbryce

Complete Title: Contempt: Commit Votes 23-17, Finds Attorney AG Holder in Contempt; Update: Holder Responds, Will Media?

House Oversight Committee votes 23-17 to cite Atty Gen Eric Holder for contempt of Congress for withholding subpoenaed documents. 20 Jun 12

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Despite President Obama’s use of executive privilege this morning, the hearing before a vote on holding Attorney General Holder in contempt proceeded. And proceeded.

Minutes ago, the vote took place.

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23-17 HOLDER HELD I CONTEMPT, now moves to the House #fastandfurious 20 Jun 12

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23-17: We just sent the #EricHolder #contempt resolution to the full US House of Representatives

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico
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1 posted on 06/20/2012 3:04:48 PM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce

I’ve held the guy in contempt for years. No news here.


2 posted on 06/20/2012 3:06:59 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: lbryce

With lots of butter!


3 posted on 06/20/2012 3:07:46 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: lbryce

Wow. That was a closer vote than I thought it would be.


4 posted on 06/20/2012 3:08:31 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: lbryce

those who voted NO
should be marched to a local farmyard
and made to roll in pig and bovine doody

it’s a lot cheaper than tar and feathers these days.


5 posted on 06/20/2012 3:09:37 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: chessplayer

straight party line.


6 posted on 06/20/2012 3:11:04 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: NormsRevenge

Isn’t Holder already on pig and bovine duty? Just askin’.


7 posted on 06/20/2012 3:12:05 PM PDT by lbryce (BHO-"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds by way of Trinity, NM)
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To: NormsRevenge
Yep. And any Rep who votes against it next week needs to go to said farmyard, too.

Now it gets caught up in the courts till the election? Demand his resignation...even though he won't (above the law, suckahs).

8 posted on 06/20/2012 3:14:04 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: lbryce

For those who only watch NBC, they will never know about it. They don’t even know there were hearings. The don’t even know there is something called Fast & Furious.


9 posted on 06/20/2012 3:15:00 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: lbryce

If Holder is NOT formally charged with a crime and consequently found guilty while Obama is still in office.
Then he can not be pardon by Obama?


10 posted on 06/20/2012 3:15:18 PM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the StatistI)
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To: Jane Long
Now it gets caught up in the courts till the election? Demand his resignation...even though he won't (above the law, suckahs).

Hey, he heads the Department of Just Us, so what would you expect[orate]?

11 posted on 06/20/2012 3:16:57 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Leep
If Holder is NOT formally charged with a crime and consequently found guilty while Obama is still in office. Then he can not be pardon by Obama?

Actually, I think you can do a preemptive "any and all crimes" pre-pardon before conviction. Whether Zero wins or loses in Nov, what disincentive would he have to do that? Impeachment? Please.

You can tell whether an (R) or a (D) is in office because when it's an (R), the politically persecuted innocents who deserve one go begging, whereas if it's a (D), every shyster and pedophile with two bucks to run together (or incriminating evidence) gets one. Bad side is, instead of a pardon, you might commit suicide by shooting yourself repeatedly.

12 posted on 06/20/2012 3:22:13 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: chessplayer

Yea, the uninformed idiots who have heard of “Fast and Furious” think it is a movie about cars with Vin Diesel!!!
This goes to the top, Obumer should resign and do jail time.....People died, LOTS of people.


13 posted on 06/20/2012 3:23:19 PM PDT by 9422WMR (Life is not fair, just deal with it.)
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To: Still Thinking

Rub together. Two bucks to RUB together.


14 posted on 06/20/2012 3:23:48 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

A pardon doesn’t do jack for a civil suit, does it?


15 posted on 06/20/2012 3:25:05 PM PDT by Principled (It's not enthusiasm for Romney, it's grim determination to remove Hussein)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks lbryce.


16 posted on 06/20/2012 3:28:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: chessplayer
For those who only watch NBC, they will never know about it.

It was the lead story. I don't have cable and my preferred local news is the NBC affiliate.

17 posted on 06/20/2012 3:37:23 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: lbryce

Does anyone have any database software that could used to track all of Holder’s lies because I’m pretty sure it’s going to take a computer to do so.


18 posted on 06/20/2012 3:46:09 PM PDT by The Angry American
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To: lbryce

So what does this mean? What can theoretically happen by holding Holder in contempt? I’m just curious. I definitely wanted Congress to do it, but thought this would get him fired. Does this just put a reprimand in his file or what? I.E. does this action have any teeth?


19 posted on 06/20/2012 3:47:51 PM PDT by Wisconsinlady (Remember November)
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To: Wisconsinlady

“I’m just curious. I definitely wanted Congress to do it, but thought this would get him fired. Does this just put a reprimand in his file or what? I.E. does this action have any teeth?”

Please correct me if I’m wrong.

I would imagine that since Holder is head of the Justice dept that in itself makes for no way for there not to have a conflict of interest with the court system and therefore would be up to congress to deal with it through impeachment.???


20 posted on 06/20/2012 3:55:26 PM PDT by diverteach (If I find liberals in heaven after my death.....I WILL BE PISSED!!!)
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To: Wisconsinlady

“I’m just curious. I definitely wanted Congress to do it, but thought this would get him fired. Does this just put a reprimand in his file or what? I.E. does this action have any teeth?”

Please correct me if I’m wrong.

I would imagine that since Holder is head of the Justice dept that in itself makes for no way for there not to have a conflict of interest with the court system and therefore would be up to congress to deal with it through impeachment.???

Then of course should that happen it would most certainly result in numerous wrongful death civil suits from both the families of the border agents killed AND any families in Mexico who could also prove weapons from this operation were involved.


21 posted on 06/20/2012 3:58:19 PM PDT by diverteach (If I find liberals in heaven after my death.....I WILL BE PISSED!!!)
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To: All; lbryce

The Republican voted for contempt, the Dems voted against.

REPUBLICANS
Rep. Darrell E. Issa (CA-49)
Rep. Dan Burton (IN-05)
Rep. John L. Mica (FL-07)
Rep. Todd Platts (PA-19)
Rep. Michael Turner (OH-03)
Rep. Patrick T. McHenry (NC-10)
Rep. Jim Jordan (OH-04)
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (UT-03)
Rep. Connie Mack (FL-14)
Rep. Tim Walberg (MI-3)
Rep. James Lankford (OK-5)
Rep. Justin Amash (MI-3)
Rep. Ann Marie Buerkle (NY-25)
Rep. Paul Gosar (AZ-1)
Rep. Raúl R. Labrador (ID-1)
Rep. Pat Meehan (PA-7)
Rep. Scott DesJarlais (TN-4)
Rep. Joe Walsh (IL-8)
Rep. Trey Gowdy (SC-4)
Rep. Dennis Ross (FL-12)
Rep. Frank Guinta (NH-1)
Rep. Blake Farenthold (TX-27)
Rep. Mike Kelly (PA-3)

DEMOCRATS
Rep. Elijah Cummings (MD-7)
Rep. Edolphus Towns (NY-10)
Rep. Carolyn Maloney (NY-14)
Rep. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D.C.)
Rep. Dennis Kucinich (OH-10)
Rep. John Tierney (MA-6)
Rep. Wm. Lacy Clay (MO-1)
Rep. Stephen Lynch (MA-9)
Rep. Jim Cooper (TN-5)
Rep. Gerald Connolly (VA-11)
Rep. Mike Quigley (IL-5)
Rep. Danny Davis (IL-7)
Rep. Bruce Braley (IA-1)
Rep. Peter Welch (VT-At-Large)
Rep. John Yarmuth (KY-3)
Rep. Christopher Murphy (CT-5)
Rep. Jackie Speier (CA-12)


22 posted on 06/20/2012 4:24:42 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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Well, I guess I better start spoon feeding myself that crow. I didn't think Issa was gonna do it.

I stand corrected.

23 posted on 06/20/2012 4:27:20 PM PDT by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: Principled

I don’t think so.


24 posted on 06/20/2012 4:28:21 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Principled
A pardon doesn’t do jack for a civil suit, does it?

I'm diggin' your thinkin' here. $1,000 fine and up to a year in jail means you can keep your stash....Pardon means you can keep your stash...either way, you are still civilly liable and your assets are up for grabs!!!!

25 posted on 06/20/2012 4:29:29 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Are you behind a "Blade of Grass?")
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To: Leep
Yes, Ford pardoned Nixon for all offenses committed, or not committed depending on ones views.

I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from July (January) 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974. You might recall at the end of GWB's 2nd term there was some disappointment that he didn't do the same thing to protect CIA and military operatives from future charges. Holder won't be wearing an orange suit.

26 posted on 06/20/2012 4:32:45 PM PDT by SJackson (As a black man, you know, Barack could get shot going to the gas station, M Obama)
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To: lbryce

Issa is a brave and true leader.


27 posted on 06/20/2012 4:37:06 PM PDT by Third Person ( Actions reflect priorities.)
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Department of Justice
Office of Public Affairs
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Wednesday, June 20, 2012
Statement of Attorney General Eric Holder on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Vote

Attorney General Eric Holder issued the following statement today:

“In recent months, the Justice Department has made unprecedented accommodations to respond to information requests by Chairman Issa about misguided law enforcement tactics that began in the previous administration and allowed illegal guns to be taken into Mexico. Department professionals have spent countless hours compiling and providing thousands of documents — nearly 8,000 — to Chairman Issa and his committee. My staff has had numerous meetings with congressional staff to try and accommodate these requests and yesterday, I met with Chairman Issa to offer additional internal Department documents and information that would satisfy what he identified as the Committee’s single outstanding question.

“Unfortunately, Chairman Issa has rejected all of these efforts to reach a reasonable accommodation. Instead, he has chosen to use his authority to take an extraordinary, unprecedented and entirely unnecessary action, intended to provoke an avoidable conflict between Congress and the Executive Branch. This divisive action does not help us fix the problems that led to this operation or previous ones and it does nothing to make any of our law enforcement agents safer. It’s an election-year tactic intended to distract attention — and, as a result — has deflected critical resources from fulfilling what remains my top priority at the Department of Justice: Protecting the American people.

“Simply put, any claims that the Justice Department has been unresponsive to requests for information are untrue. From the beginning, Chairman Issa and certain members of the Committee have made unsubstantiated allegations first, then scrambled for facts to try to justify them later. That might make for good political theater, but it does little to uncover the truth or address the problems associated with this operation and prior ones dating back to the previous Administration.

“I have spent most of my career in law enforcement and worked closely with brave agents who put their lives on the line every day. I know the sacrifices they make, so as soon as allegations of gunwalking came to my attention – and well before Chairman Issa expressed any interest in this issue — I ordered the practice stopped. I made necessary personnel changes in the Department’s leadership and instituted policy changes to ensure better oversight of significant investigations. And, I directed the Department’s Inspector General to open a comprehensive investigation. That investigation is ongoing, and the American people and Congress can count on it to produce a tough, independent review of the facts.

“When Chairman Issa later began his own investigation, I made it clear that the Department would cooperate with all appropriate oversight requests, while still adhering to our legal obligations to protect information involving ongoing law enforcement investigations, legally-protected grand jury material and other sensitive information whose disclosure would endanger the American people or our agents investigating open cases.

“The American people deserve better. That is why, I will remain focused on, and committed to, the Justice Department’s mission to protect the rights, safety, and best interests of my fellow citizens and to stand by my brave colleagues in law enforcement.”

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2012/June/12-ag-776.html


28 posted on 06/20/2012 4:50:09 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: newzjunkey
Even though Dennis Kucinich (OH-10)(D) is a RAT bastard, demoRAT, actually more a full fledged socialist, I felt he was generally more of an independent thinker as opposed to just being part of the demoRAT plantation ideology & agenda. With Holder's obstructions & dishonesty & stonewalling, plus trafficking in illicit gun running and murder of 2 U.S. border patrol agents, I would have thought these facts would compel Kucinich to buck the 0dumb0-Holder party line and vote for the contempt resolution. Guess Kucinich is every bit as much a part of the 0dumb0-Holder corruption as all the other RAT bastard D's.
29 posted on 06/20/2012 5:43:27 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: thouworm

Interesting reply by AG Holder. I especially like the portion where he states he found out about the gunwalking BEFORE Issa and ordered it stopped and an IG investigation.
Hmmm...that doesn’t seem to square with his testimony under oath before the Committee. I thought he only found out about it weeks...or was it months (depends on which letter you read) before his testimony.

Methinks Mr. Holder just gave Issa the written proof that he perjured himself in front of a Congressional Committee.

This piece of work can’t even keep his stories straight. Resignation is not warranted in this case. Criminal prosecution is. It’s time for a perp-walk.


30 posted on 06/20/2012 5:44:08 PM PDT by offduty
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To: offduty

That stuck out to me as well.


31 posted on 06/20/2012 5:45:52 PM PDT by optiguy (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.----- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Third Person
Issa is a brave and true leader.

He should know how much we support such leadership.

32 posted on 06/20/2012 5:53:13 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: lbryce

33 posted on 06/20/2012 5:56:55 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: thouworm

This whole letter is Holder confounding his botched operation with the previous administration’s operation that lost what, one or two guns that had trackers on them and were later found through diligent effort and no one got killed (IIRC)?

Yeah, that takes some real brass to make that comparison.


34 posted on 06/20/2012 6:01:44 PM PDT by jurroppi1
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To: jurroppi1; thouworm

on second thought, confabulating might be a better word to use here...


35 posted on 06/20/2012 6:03:24 PM PDT by jurroppi1
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To: offduty
Interesting reply by AG Holder. I especially like the portion where he states he found out about the gunwalking BEFORE Issa and ordered it stopped and an IG investigation.

Hmmm...that doesn’t seem to square with his testimony under oath before the Committee. I thought he only found out about it weeks...or was it months (depends on which letter you read) before his testimony.


Agreed. His reply made no sense.
36 posted on 06/20/2012 6:08:51 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: rcrngroup

His friend E.T. must of told him not to vote for the contempt.


37 posted on 06/20/2012 6:09:26 PM PDT by digital-olive
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To: smoothsailing

What is worse is how the Rats have decided that their role in this hearing is to defend Holder KNOWING FULL WELL that he is probably guilty of overseeing a scheme to illegally place the guns in the hands of known criminals and to facilitate their illegal deportation to Mexico. The Rats on the committee ought to be brought up on charges of contempt, too.


38 posted on 06/20/2012 6:17:57 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: chessplayer

That is because NBC is a domestic terrorist organization that has dedicated billions of tax payer money to anarchy, disruption and destruction of all traditional American values.
Lean forward... And take it dry.
Unfortunately for them they have complete destroyed every single one of its own entities in the process


39 posted on 06/20/2012 6:22:53 PM PDT by JoshuaLawrenceChamberlain
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To: newzjunkey

Rep. Scott DesJarlais (TN-4)
_____________________________________

My new Congressman...

My half of our county have been kicked out of the 3rd District ...

Hes off to a kind of good start ...

except for the veterans...


40 posted on 06/20/2012 6:26:19 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: thouworm

““When Chairman Issa later began his own investigation, I made it clear that the Department would cooperate with all appropriate oversight requests, while still adhering to our legal obligations to protect information involving ongoing law enforcement investigations, legally-protected grand jury material and other sensitive information whose disclosure would endanger the American people or our agents investigating open cases.”

So how then are some of the most highly classified activities in our intelligence agencies regularly briefed to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, even when there are no scandals?


41 posted on 06/20/2012 6:28:41 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: rcrngroup
Guess Kucinich is every bit as much a part of the 0dumb0-Holder corruption as all the other RAT bastard D's.

RATs is RATs, including each and every one of the so-called "blue-dog" democRATs.They vote as they're told or face a primary.

RATs don't own their own vote and they never support the people...only corporate government.

RAT voters are just plain stupid.

42 posted on 06/20/2012 6:41:58 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: tsowellfan
Here is my email to Congressman Issa:

Dear Congressman Issa, I am writing to you to express my gratitude for your diligent pursuit of the truth behind the "Fast and Furious" gun running program. Please doggedly continue your efforts, even in the face of the distortions and lies from the opposition. Remain steadfast and do not become disheartened. Your honest and true leadership has not gone unnoticed. Thank you.

43 posted on 06/20/2012 6:41:58 PM PDT by Third Person ( Actions reflect priorities.)
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To: lbryce
Congratulations to the Issa Committee. Congratulations to all Americans expecting our representatives to uphold the Rule of Law.
44 posted on 06/20/2012 6:45:21 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Third Person

Thank you! And for anybody else who wishes to send Issa a message here is the link to his email...

http://issa.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=597&Itemid=73


45 posted on 06/20/2012 6:47:21 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: Third Person

Here’s Issa’s Facebook page...

https://www.facebook.com/CongressmanIssa


46 posted on 06/20/2012 6:51:36 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: Leep

Then he can not be pardon by Obama?


This is going to play out past the election. Obama will be out of office. The repubs better push this for prosecution, as it may implicate many high level dems.


47 posted on 06/20/2012 6:52:28 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: Michael Barnes

Me too. Let’s see what Boehner does with the House vote...


48 posted on 06/20/2012 7:00:01 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I couldn’t agree more, they are detestable.


49 posted on 06/20/2012 7:07:59 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: lbryce

So what exactly will this vote amount to? It’s not like it will pave the way to get him removed from office, will it?


50 posted on 06/20/2012 7:13:02 PM PDT by ducttape45
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