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Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations (Dec 2011)
CBS News ^ | December 7, 2011 | Sharryl Attkisson

Posted on 06/20/2012 9:30:30 PM PDT by txnuke

Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.

PICTURES: ATF "Gunwalking" scandal timeline

In Fast and Furious, ATF secretly encouraged gun dealers to sell to suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels to go after the "big fish." But ATF whistleblowers told CBS News and Congress it was a dangerous practice called "gunwalking," and it put thousands of weapons on the street. Many were used in violent crimes in Mexico. Two were found at the murder scene of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

.....More at link....

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Thank you Sharryl Attkisson and CBS news!

I searched but did not see this posted yet.

1 posted on 06/20/2012 9:30:45 PM PDT by txnuke
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; ...

Well, it’s now officially tomorrow but the headlines roll on regardless.

Gonna be a long, hot summer.


2 posted on 06/20/2012 9:34:31 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: txnuke

She BETTER give credit to these guys, d@mmit!!!!!!!

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/

THEY were the ones. NOT the MSM!


3 posted on 06/20/2012 9:34:40 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Wings cannot be redistributed, they can only be broken. ~ Oleg Atbashian (People's Cube))
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To: txnuke
Two were found at the murder scene of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

....and they continue to state this....There were TWO (2) federal employees killed.

4 posted on 06/20/2012 9:34:46 PM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Big AMEN there!


5 posted on 06/20/2012 9:36:15 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: spokeshave
see the next post down for the details....

the family of ICE Special Agent Jaime Zapata has filed a claim for wrongful death against the Justice Dept. and other federal agencies.

Zapata was gunned down by suspected drug cartel members in Mexico in Feb. 2011 with weapons later linked to an ATF case in the Texas area.

6 posted on 06/20/2012 9:36:44 PM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: txnuke

Great article. But it’s from December 7, 2011.

However, the information within bears repeating.


7 posted on 06/20/2012 9:37:17 PM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: txnuke

Bookmark


8 posted on 06/20/2012 9:39:48 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: txnuke

One missing item from all the news stories is the gun running to other Latin American countries. If any Freeper could help out with links it would be greatly appreciated. I believe Hillary was also involved with this. This part of Fast and Furious seems to be off of the radar. Thanks.


9 posted on 06/20/2012 9:43:03 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: PA Engineer

Operation Castaway, involving the State Department and Honduras. Yep, She’s headfirst up to her cankles in this mess, too.


10 posted on 06/20/2012 9:45:47 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: txnuke

On July 12, 2011, Sen. Grassley and Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., wrote Attorney General Eric Holder, whose Justice Department oversees ATF.

They asked Holder whether officials in his agency discussed how “Fast and Furious could be used to justify additional regulatory authorities.” So far, they have not received a response. CBS News asked the Justice Department for comment and context on ATF emails about Fast and Furious and Demand Letter 3, but officials declined to speak with us.

“In light of the evidence, the Justice Department’s refusal to answer questions about the role Operation Fast and Furious was supposed to play in advancing new firearms regulations is simply unacceptable,” Rep. Issa told CBS News.


11 posted on 06/20/2012 9:46:12 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: PA Engineer

If I remember, correctly, there were ALSO guns running into Honduras.....from a particular ‘base’.

Would be interested if those arms were intended for Zelaya.


12 posted on 06/20/2012 9:47:04 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Wings cannot be redistributed, they can only be broken. ~ Oleg Atbashian (People's Cube))
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
RushIsMyTeddyBear said:

"She BETTER give credit to these guys, d@mmit!!!!!!! http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/ THEY were the ones. NOT the MSM!"

Yeah I hope she gives credit to those citizen reporters. Because of recent statements by a confidential source at canada free news dot com, I am convinced that a "clamp down" on what information is disseminated will occur sometime this year (I mean even more than already). And the fate of our nation may rest in the hands of citizen reporters and in the ability of the internet to continue to operate in spite of obstacles placed there intentionally by the powers-that-be.

That being said, those who are not against us are for us.

13 posted on 06/20/2012 9:48:27 PM PDT by txnuke (Drip Drip Drip goes the eligibility questions. Vet the candidates.)
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To: Smokin' Joe; RushIsMyTeddyBear

Thanks.


14 posted on 06/20/2012 9:49:45 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: Dan Nunn; Admin Moderator
".... from December 7, 2011."

Ooops. I worked hard to get all the stuff right, except the date! It was a link on the CBS news website "Popular Now" list, so I just figured it was breaking news.

15 posted on 06/20/2012 9:51:08 PM PDT by txnuke (Drip Drip Drip goes the eligibility questions. Vet the candidates.)
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To: txnuke
Suspicions confirmed.

This scam and cover up are getting ready to blow sky high, fast and furiously!

Holder is a lying criminal and Mac-Daddy-Obama is in it up to the top of his Jug Ears.

They are going to start throwing other people under the bus and that is just going to prompt more whistleblowers to come forward.


16 posted on 06/20/2012 9:51:16 PM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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To: PA Engineer

You’re Welcome!


17 posted on 06/20/2012 9:51:24 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: txnuke

I’ve been fooled by the Popular list before too :)


18 posted on 06/20/2012 9:56:03 PM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Exactly!!!!! Why is THAT NOT widely reported????


19 posted on 06/20/2012 9:57:17 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Wings cannot be redistributed, they can only be broken. ~ Oleg Atbashian (People's Cube))
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To: txnuke

May I add this?

THEY KNEW!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=L54gOgJxIRQ


20 posted on 06/20/2012 10:03:53 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Wings cannot be redistributed, they can only be broken. ~ Oleg Atbashian (People's Cube))
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To: txnuke

Story dated December 7, 2011 - you should ask the mods to add publication date to headline in brackets. THIS IS OLD.


21 posted on 06/20/2012 10:04:03 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

bfl


22 posted on 06/20/2012 10:09:41 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: txnuke

Obama, Calderon Mexico City press conference. Transcript

April 17, 2009 12:46 AM

THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary

(Mexico City, Mexico)

______________________________________________________________________________________________________________
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
April 16, 2009

JOINT PRESS CONFERENCE WITH PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA

AND PRESIDENT FELIPE CALDERÓN OF MEXICO

Los Pinos

Mexico City, Mexico

4:29 P.M. CDT

PRESIDENT CALDERÓN: (As translated.) Ladies and gentlemen of the press, of the media, I would like to give the warmest welcome to Mexico to President Barack Obama, and to the delegation accompanying him. This is an historic event that will inaugurate a new era, a new relationship between our two countries.

Today in the meetings that we have held we have confirmed the determination of both governments to consolidate the very, very close contacts and links that join and bring together Mexico and the United States. We have new projects in important affairs such as security, migration, competitiveness, and global affairs.

As never before we have decided that the fight against multinational organized crime must be based on cooperation, shared responsibility, and in trust, a mutual trust.

Both governments recognize that the Merida Initiative is a very good starting point in order to strengthen cooperation in security. But we want to go beyond, we want to go further in order to liberate, to free our societies from the criminal activities that affect the lives of millions of people.

We have also agreed to expedite the times so that we can have available the resources for this Merida Initiative, and we have also decided to launch other activities that are in the hands of our governments. For example, we can adopt new measures for preventing illicit flows at the border, particularly the flow of weapons and of cash. We will also be strengthening our cooperation in information and intelligence in order to more efficiently fight against money laundering.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: I want to begin by thanking the people of Mexico for their gracious welcome. And I want to thank President Calderón for the hospitality he has shown as a host.

You know, this is my first trip to Mexico as President, and I see this visit — as I know President Calderón does — as an opportunity to launch a new era of cooperation and partnership between our two nations, an era built on an even firmer foundation of mutual responsibility and mutual respect and mutual interest. We had a productive and wide-ranging conversation and I think we have taken some very important steps down that path.

It’s difficult to overstate the depth of the ties between our two nations or the extraordinary importance of our relationship. It’s obviously a simple fact of geography that we share a border, and we’ve always been bound together because of that geography. But it’s not just that shared border that links us together. It’s not only geography, but it’s also culture, it’s also migration patterns that have taken place that have become so important.

Our deep economic ties mean that whenever — whatever steps that we’re going to take moving forward have to be taken together. And that’s why we worked hard, hand in hand at the G20 summit. And that’s what we will continue to do at the Summit of the Americas and beyond, so that we can jumpstart job creation, promote free and fair trade, and develop a coordinated response to this economic crisis.

We also discussed our shared interest in meeting an immigration challenge that has serious implications for both the United States and for Mexico. My country has been greatly enriched by migration from Mexico. Mexican Americans form a critical and enduring link between our nations. And I am committed to fixing our broken immigration system in a way that upholds our traditions as a nation of laws but also as a nation of immigrants. And I’m committed to working with President Calderón to promote the kind of bottom-up economic growth here in Mexico that will allow people to live out their dreams here, and as a consequence will relieve some of the pressures that we’ve seen along the borders.

Now, as essential as it is that we work together to overcome each of these common challenges, there’s one particular area that requires our urgent and coordinated action, and that is the battle that’s taking place with — with respect to the drug cartels that are fueling kidnappings and sowing chaos in our communities and robbing so many of a future, both here in Mexico and in the United States.

I have said this before; I will repeat it: I have the greatest admiration and courage for President Calderón and his entire cabinet, his rank-and-file police officers and soldiers as they take on these cartels. I commend Mexico for the successes that have already been achieved. But I will not pretend that this is Mexico’s responsibility alone. A demand for these drugs in the United States is what is helping to keep these cartels in business. This war is being waged with guns purchased not here, but in the United States. More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States, many from gun shops that line our shared border.

So we have responsibilities, as well. We have to do our part. We have to crack down on drug use in our cities and towns. We have to stem the southbound flow of guns and cash. And we are absolutely committed to working in a partnership with Mexico to make sure that we are dealing with this scourge on both sides of the border.

And that’s why we’re ramping up the number of law enforcement personnel on our border. That’s why, for the first time, we are inspecting trains leaving our country, not just those entering it. That’s why our Department of Homeland Security is making up to $59 million available to defend our common border from this threat to both of our countries.

Now, as we discussed in our meeting, destroying and disrupting the cartels will require more than aggressive efforts from each of our nations. And that’s why the United States is taking the following steps: We’ve begun to accelerate efforts to implement the Merida Initiative so we can provide Mexico with the military aircraft and inspection equipment they need when they need it.

Yesterday, I designated three cartels as Significant Foreign Narcotics Drug Traffickers under U.S. law, clearing the way for our Treasury Department, working together with Mexico to freeze their assets and subject them to sanctions.

My National Homeland Security Advisor, who is here, General Jim Jones, as well as my Homeland Security Secretary, Janet Napolitano, and my top advisor on homeland security and counterterrorism, John Brennan, are all meeting with their Mexican counterparts to develop new ways to cooperate and coordinate their efforts more effectively.

In addition, as President Calderón and I discussed, I am urging the Senate in the United States to ratify an inter-American treaty known as CIFTA to curb small arms trafficking that is a source of so many of the weapons used in this drug war.

Now, there are some of the common challenges that President Calderón and I discussed in our meeting and that we’re going to be working on to overcome in the months and years ahead. It will not be easy, but I am confident that if we continue to act, as we have today, in a spirit of mutual responsibility and friendship, we will prevail on behalf of our common security and our common prosperity.

So I think that this is building on previous meetings that we’ve had. In each interaction, the bond between our governments is growing stronger. I am confident that we’re going to make tremendous progress in the future. Thank you.

Q Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you, Mr. President, as well.

President Obama, as a candidate for your office, you said that you wanted to see the assault ban weapon — the ban on assault weapons reinstated. Your Attorney General has spoken in favor of this. Mexican officials have also spoken in favor of it. But we haven’t heard you say that since you took office. Do you plan to keep your promise? And if not, how do you explain that to the American people?

And, President Calderón — I’m sorry, if I may — would you like to see this ban reinstated? And have you raised that today with President Obama? Thank you.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well, first of all, we did discuss this extensively in our meetings. I have not backed off at all from my belief that the gun — the assault weapons ban made sense. And I continue to believe that we can respect and honor the Second Amendment rights in our Constitution, the rights of sportsmen and hunters and homeowners who want to keep their families safe to lawfully bear arms, while dealing with assault weapons that, as we now know, here in Mexico, are helping to fuel extraordinary violence — violence in our own country, as well.

Now, having said that, I think none of us are under any illusion that reinstating that ban would be easy. And so, what we’ve focused on is how we can improve our enforcement of existing laws, because even under current law, trafficking illegal firearms, sending them across a border, is illegal. That’s something that we can stop.

And so our focus is to work with Secretary Napolitano, Attorney General Holder, our entire Homeland Security team, ATF, border security, everybody who is involved in this, to coordinate with our counterparts in Mexico to significantly ramp up our enforcement of existing laws. And in fact, I’ve asked Eric Holder to do a complete review of how our enforcement operations are currently working and make sure that we’re cutting down on the loopholes that are resulting in some of these drug trafficking problems.

The last point I would make is that there are going to be some opportunities where I think we can build some strong consensus. I’ll give you one example, and that is the issue of gun tracing. The tracing of bullets and ballistics and gun information that have been used in major crimes — that’s information that we are still not giving to law enforcement, as a consequence of provisions that have been blocked in the United States Congress, and those are the areas where I think that we can make some significant progress early.

That doesn’t mean that we’re steering away from the issue of the assault guns ban, but it does mean that we want to act with urgency, promptly, now. And I think we can make significant progress.

PRESIDENT CALDERÓN: Thank you for your question. I want to say that, in effect, on this topic — not only on this topic, but on many of the other thorny topics of relations between the U.S. and Mexico, we have had an open, frank, trusting conversation between President Obama and myself. We have spoken of assault weapons. He is well aware of our problems.

And we have described it as it is from the moment that the prohibition on the sale of assault weapons a few years ago, we have seen an increase in the power of organized crime in Mexico. Only in my administration, in the two years and four months, we have been able to see — or rather we have seized more than 16,000 assault weapons. And in the efforts we have made to track their origin — and President Obama has referred to that — we have seen that nearly 90 percent of those arms comes from the United States — those weapons come from the United States. There are about 10,000 sales points in the U.S.-Mexico border — only at the border.

On the other hand, I do believe that our relationship — the new era we must build in our relationship between Mexico and the United States must be one with trust and respect. And we definitely respect the decision of the U.S. Congress and of the U.S. people in this regard, because they are very well aware of President Obama and his government’s willingness to move forward on these issues.

We know that it is a politically delicate topic because Americans truly appreciate their constitutional rights, and particularly those that are part of the Second Amendment. I personally believe that as long as we are able to explain clearly what our problems in Mexico are, then we might also be able to seek a solution respecting the constitutional rights of the Americans, at the same time will prevent — or rather avoid that organized crime becomes better armed in our country.

But we have to work on it. We have to work on it. But we fully respect the opinion of the U.S. Congress and we know that there’s a great deal of sensitivity regarding this topic.

But there are many, many things that we can definitely move forward in. For example, in armament, it is not only a matter of seeing whether we can change the legislation on assault weapons — we have already said what our position is — but we might also be able to see whether they can apply existing legislation in Mexico and the United States on armament. For example, in Mexico it’s a matter of enforcement, with the Export Control Act, for example — this is in the United States — I’m sorry — prohibits the export of weapons to those countries where those weapons are prohibited.

And that is the case of Mexico. If we actually comply with the U.S. law — or rather if everybody complies with the U.S. law that prohibits the sale of these weapons and their export to Mexico, we can move a great deal forward.

President Obama has made recent decisions in the last few weeks, and we value them and appreciate them — for example, to reinforce the operational capability of U.S. border agencies in order to comply with this legislation and with other laws, in order to review the flows of entry not only into the United States, but also the outgoing flows, outgoing from the U.S., to make sure that there is no illicit money, in strict compliance with United States legislation. I think these are very important steps.

But there is a problem, and only as long as we build on this trust and we clearly explain to citizens of both countries how we must find a solution, we will be able to achieve one. We do so respectfully, presenting our position, knowing full well how the U.S. people feel about this and being fully respectful of the sovereign decisions that the United States might make, or that any other country might make.

One more thing — one more thing I forgot to mention. One other thing we can do is to track the weapons that we have in Mexico. If we manage to detect weapons sold illegally in the United States in violation of this law on the control of weapons exports, or if, in the United States, they can have — probably move forward on a good registry of armament or on the prohibition of certain massive sales of weapons, for example, to a hunter or to a common citizen — we know that these people do not usually buy hundreds of rifles or assault weapons or grenades — if we can move forward in those areas, I do believe that security both of the United States and Mexico will improve because those weapons are pointing against Mexican people and Mexican officials today.

But crime is not only acting in Mexico. It is also acting in the United States. Organized crime is acting in both countries. And I do hope that those weapons that are sold today in the United States and are being used in Mexico, I hope the day will never come in which they will also be used against the North American society or against U.S. officials, just like they are now being used in Mexico.

Q (As translated.) Good afternoon, Presidents. You are going to share four years of an administration, and there can be an in-depth change in this fight against organized crime in these four years. As of today, how can we establish the concrete objectives that in 2012 will allow us to say, fine, a new era began between Mexico and the United States back then?

Particularly I’m addressing this to you, President Obama. In addition to the chance that you will invest your political capital in being able to stop the flow of these weapons to Mexico, what can we hope for, what can we expect to see in terms of arresting the drug lords, the kingpins, in the U.S.? Because there are laws against corruption, but this is enabling now — in other words, the U.S. market is now the biggest for drugs. And former President of Mexico, ex-President Fox, said that in the back they have only gotten little pats in the back from his predecessors. Can we hope for more from your administration?

And to you, President Calderón, with this new era, how can you measure the detention, the arrest of drug lords in the United States, and also putting a stop to the flow of weapons? How can you measure this?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well, I think that we can measure this in terms of the reduction in violence; in the interdiction of drugs; in the interdiction of weapons coming south; in the dismantling of the financial structures that facilitate these drug cartels; in the arrest of major drug kingpins.

So I think we know how to measure progress. The challenge is maintaining a sustained effort. And as I said, something that President Calderón and myself absolutely recognize, is that you can’t fight this war with just one hand. You can’t just have Mexico making an effort but the United States not making an effort. And the same is true on the other side.

I think both our efforts have to be coordinated; both of our efforts have to be strengthened. I’ve made some very concrete commitments, already sending additional resources, already making additional investments. These are measurable in millions and, ultimately, billions of dollars over several years. And I believe that President Calderón has used enormous political capital to deal with this issue.

Obviously the Mexican people, particularly along the borders, have suffered great hardship. And as a consequence, if we partner effectively — and that’s why I brought many of my top officials on this trip, to interact with their counterparts — I’m confident that we’re going to make progress. Now, are we going to eliminate all drug flows? Are we going to eliminate all guns coming over the border? That’s not a realistic objective. What is a realistic objective is to reduce it so significantly, so drastically, that it becomes once again a localized criminal problem as opposed to a major structural problem that threatens stability in communities along those borders and that increases corruption and threatens the rule of law — that’s the kind of progress that I think can be made.

And so, we are going to — we’re going to work as hard as we can and as diligently as we can on these issues — always mindful, though, that the relationship between Mexico and the United States cannot just be defined by drugs. Sometimes there’s a tendency for the media to only report on drug interdiction or immigration when it comes to U.S.-Mexican relations. And one of the things that we talked about is the extraordinary opportunities for us to work together on our commercial ties; on strengthening border infrastructure to improve the flow of goods; on working on clean energy, which can produce jobs on both sides of the border.

So we’re going to stay very focused on this. We’re going to make this a top priority, but we just always want to remember that our relationship is not simply defined by these problems; it’s also defined by opportunities. And that’s what we want to take advantage of as well.

PRESIDENT CALDERÓN: Thank you, President. I agree a great deal with you and I fully thank you for your support and understanding in this very difficult topic. I think the question is very relevant. I see a big opportunity for President Obama and myself, since we are going to be sharing the next four years as heads of our administrations, I see a big opportunity here.

And on this issue, what I hope to see at the end of my administration is actually many things. One is a reduction in the levels of criminal activities in our countries related to organized crime, which is also related to drug trafficking — they go hand in hand. We have a strategy with short-, midterm, and long-term objectives.

In the short term, for example, we have set out to recuperate the security and tranquility of our citizens, particularly in those areas that have been harder hit by the crime. And this is where we have the joint operations, where we are mobilizing not only our federal police but also the army — and this, regardless of the fact that it is not an easy matter and it hasn’t been and it can change in the course of time, but at least we begin to see fruitful results in some areas.

For example, in the last quarter — or rather compared to the last quarter of last year, our first quarter of this year, there was already a drop of 27 percent in criminal activities. That is as an average for the entire country, only in Ciudad Juarez — as of the joint operation that we launched in February, between February and March violent deaths in Ciudad Juarez, crime-related — violence related to crime dropped by 80 percent.

Of course I understand that the spectacular nature of some of these operations has really attracted worldwide attention. But with a very difficult crime rate that we had last year, despite them, crime in Mexico was 10.7 deaths because of crime for every 100,000 inhabitants. It is less than what it is in Guatemala, El Salvador, Colombia, Venezuela, or Brazil in Latin America, and it is also a lower number than the crime rates of many U.S. cities.

I believe one issue has to be, of course, that we have to cut down on crime in Mexico, for sure, but, number two, I hope, in the course of time, to be a safer border and a more efficient border. As long as — if we are able to stop the flow of drugs, illicit money and weapons, we will have greater progress both in the United States and Mexico. And one way to measure this is by appreciating and valuing the technological capabilities, particularly of nonintrusive detection at the border, so that for those who do want to make business and do want to trade, that the border is open, and those who want to commit crime, the border will be a closed area.

One way to measure this — and here U.S. cooperation is essential — is to have the right technology, particularly nonintrusive technology that will enable us to have safe borders. And the initiative, the Merida Initiative, is very much focused on this.

Now, in the midterm, we would like a renewal of our police forces in Mexico. At the end of my administration, I would like to be able to have a new federal police that will be worthy of the citizens’ trust and that will be efficient. And here U.S. cooperation is also fundamental. Why? Well, because on our side we are cleaning our house, we are sweeping everything from top to bottom so that all the police forces, from the top officials at the Attorney General’s office, the army, the navy, that all officials in Mexico, all police officials that we can truly trust in their honesty, and that at the same time, technologically, they will be top-notch, as the rest of the world, in investigation, in databases. We want a scientific police, one that is very well-trained in technology, and U.S. help will be very welcome and it will be essential.

We also have a judicial plan for oral trials. And I think that as we fulfill these objectives, many of them have already — are part of our agreement on safety, security and protection. With a shared responsibility that we now have with President Obama and his team, we are certain that we will reach these objectives and that our strategy, which is the correct one, will have many more possibilities of achieving success, and that at the end of our administration we will have a Mexico, a United States, that are much safer and freer of violence — violence free, rather.

Of course, drug trafficking cannot be ended by decree. As long as there is a supply of high — or rather, is high demand, there will be a high supply. But what we can control is the effect of criminal activities in society, to stop the actions of organized crime, and we can also act preventively in order to bring down the consumption of drugs in the United States, and in Mexico, too, which also begins to be a problem of great concern to us.


23 posted on 06/20/2012 10:12:25 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: MestaMachine

I felt exactly the same, the summer of 1974.


24 posted on 06/20/2012 10:12:43 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Striking is the realization that the ATF was never tracking cartel sales at all, but were instead tracking the incidents of cartel murders, bloodshed and mahem that they could report on, in order to build a case against long gun sales and gun rights.

F&F was never reported as tracking ensuing murders provided by ATF weapons.

Some of us are just now getting that picture. 300 Mexicans dead to build a narrative against gun buyers in the US. One of our own dead.

How pathetic is this? Beyond comprehension, when you put the story in accurate terms.

And Calderon? How much does he really care? No coverage by the American press.


25 posted on 06/20/2012 10:14:39 PM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: txnuke

Worth re-posting now that there is a bit of attention on this story. This really is a smoking gun article regarding the motivation for F&F. It was ignored when it was first published.


26 posted on 06/20/2012 10:22:14 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
She BETTER give credit to these guys, d@mmit!!!!!!!

Damn skippy! Thaks for beating me to it. Having CBS claim credit now would be wrong in soooo many ways.

27 posted on 06/20/2012 10:24:35 PM PDT by ProfoundMan (Time to finish the Reagan Revolution! - RightyPics.com)
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To: RitaOK
Two of our own dead.
28 posted on 06/20/2012 10:28:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
Holder and the Hilldabeast's fingerprints are all over an identical operation between Tampa and Honduras

does it add up?:

Honduras? Why would ATF walk guns to Honduras?

and this........

Obama Admin Lobbying Honduras To Allow Zelaya Back In? Are You Kidding?

What could possibly be the motive behind this lunacy?

On the last day of December last year, Manuel “Mel” Zelaya, the deposed Honduran president and self-described victim of high-frequency radiation attacks by Israeli mercenaries, vowed to the press that he would return to Honduras. Few outside of Honduras have paid much attention to Zelaya’s MacArthur-esque prediction, but it has become apparent there is more behind his declaration than his usual hyperbole and bombastic absurdities.

Behind the scenes in the Obama administration there appears to be a concerted effort to pressure the democratically elected government of President Porfirio Lobo to dismiss charges of misappropriation of government funds and falsifying documents that are pending against Zelaya. This would open the door for his return to the country, and would be certain to undermine the delicate process of reestablishing democracy and order that is currently taking place in this poor and beleaguered nation.

When Zelaya was removed from office in July of 2009, the Obama administration at first joined with leftist dictators Fidel Castro of Cuba, Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, and Daniel Ortega of Nicaragua in calling for his reinstatement. The Obama White House seemed oblivious to the Honduran constitution, as well as the threat Zelaya posed to the stability of the country and the region. When the courageous Honduran people held firm to their democratic constitution and refused to yield to the pressure exerted by the U.S., the Obama administration found no way of saving face other than reversing course and backing the democratic presidential elections called for by their constitution.

The Honduran Connection 7.7.11 Now we know why Hillary Clinton and Obama were falling all over themselves to support and prop-up the Honduran Marxist dictator-wannabe, Manuel Zelaya back in 2009. I never could figure out why they would create such blatantly unflattering, pro-Marxist optics for the Obama regime for a small country like Honduras. Now it all makes perfect sense. Zelaya attempted to overthrow the Honduran constitution and install himself as dictator for life, a la Hugo Chavez. The Honduran Congress AND Supreme Court followed their Constitutional Rule of Law to the letter and removed Zelaya. Within hours Obama and Clinton were threatening Honduras and demanding that the Marxist dictator Zelaya be re-installed. Now we know why. Obama and Clinton were arming Zelaya and were coordinating with Zelaya to run arms through Honduras. Presumably the deal was that some of the arms would stay with Zelaya and most would move into Mexico from the South. Then, Obama and Clinton could "find" U.S. guns in Southern Mexico and Central America, and thus use these optics to bolster their false contention that "90%" of Mexican guns were sourced directly from the U.S. "See? U.S. guns are all the way down in Chiapas State and Guatemala. U.S. guns are everywhere! The Second Amendment simply is not feasible any longer!"

Baby Doc's Back - will Obama Back Aristide?

US revokes visas to pressure Haiti on election

29 posted on 06/20/2012 10:30:05 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: ProfoundMan

Sharryl Attkisson deserves credit. Her investigations and reporting have been original and extensive. And she got one of the major networks to actually air her reports.


30 posted on 06/20/2012 10:31:59 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: PA Engineer
see #29

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31 posted on 06/20/2012 10:32:13 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: txnuke
ocuments: ATF Obama used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations

fixed

32 posted on 06/20/2012 10:35:32 PM PDT by RC one (this space intentionally left blank)
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To: txnuke

See B.S. outed THIS?!?


33 posted on 06/20/2012 10:36:39 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: TigersEye

Another with Brian Terry?


34 posted on 06/20/2012 10:38:58 PM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: Elle Bee

Thanks. That is what I remembered.


35 posted on 06/20/2012 10:40:29 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: TigersEye

Jaime Zapata. I remember that. Why isn’t that included in this investigatio? I believe his family is suing ICE. Why can’t the Terrys’ sue ATF?


36 posted on 06/20/2012 10:41:41 PM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: RitaOK

No, Jaime Zapata was not with Terry when he was murdered.


37 posted on 06/20/2012 10:42:36 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: RitaOK

Jaime Zapata is not mentioned very often but the article does say that the House committee is investigating his murder.


38 posted on 06/20/2012 10:44:15 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: ProfoundMan

If having See B.S. look like the heroes for this nod to the “bitter clingers” is the price of putting it on the American sheeple’s radar screen, there are worse prices that could have been paid.


39 posted on 06/20/2012 10:45:32 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: PA Engineer; Smokin' Joe

Perhaps this is why Hillary will never run again.

Republicans may well hold their canon fire on her this round, just in case she overloads herself with her considerable self admiration and reconsiders a run in the future. Then....BOOM! (Back to the cinammon rolls for Hillary.)


40 posted on 06/20/2012 10:49:49 PM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: RitaOK; PA Engineer
I don't know of any direct connection to F&F regarding Hillary but there is this...

"Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal

And this...

Worse Than Gunwalker? State Dept. Allegedly Sold Guns to Zetas

Phil Jordan, a former CIA operative and one-time leader of U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s El Paso Intelligence Center, claims that the Obama administration is running guns to the violent Zetas cartel through the direct commercial sale of military grade weapons:

Jordan, who served as director of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s El Paso Intelligence Center in 1995, said the Zetas have shipped large amounts of weapons purchased in the Dallas area through El Paso.

(snip)

“They’ve found anti-aircraft weapons and hand grenades from the Vietnam War era,” Plumlee said. Other weapons found include grenade launchers, assault rifles, handguns and military gear including night-vision goggles and body armor.

More about State Department involvement...

— has sources claiming “Obama’s man in the State Department,” (former) Deputy Secretary of State Jim Steinberg, was the State Department operative who helped Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and the Department of Justice Deputy Attorney General David Ogden formulate the strategy that led to the tactics used in Operation Fast and Furious.

Steinberg took office as Deputy Secretary of State on January 28, 2009

A little more than two years later, it was announced that Steinberg's time in the Obama State Department was over. From the New York Times, 30 March 2011:

Mrs. Clinton heaped praise on Mr. Steinberg, describing him as an “indispensable” partner. “On every foreign policy challenge, big and small, he has helped formulate our policy and oversee its execution,” she wrote. Mr. Steinberg, she said, played “Oscar to Jack Lew’s Felix,” referring to Jacob J. Lew, her other deputy, who left earlier this year to become Mr. Obama’s budget director.

Want to read even more about State Dept. involvement? ...

Sipsey Street Exclusive: "In at the beginning." The State Department & the Gunwalker Scandal.

41 posted on 06/20/2012 10:54:55 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: RitaOK
Perhaps this is why Hillary will never run again.


42 posted on 06/20/2012 10:58:52 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: TigersEye

I believe they are related. This occupation saw it as a twofer. Provide a foreign policy cover while supporting the Brady group. I am reminded of the Banality of Evil. I never fully bought into it until now. With this administration, I understand Hannah Arendt’s point.


43 posted on 06/20/2012 11:03:42 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: TigersEye
Her investigations and reporting have been original and extensive.

I've not seen evidence of that but I keep an open mind.

And she got one of the major networks to actually air her reports.

For that she does deserve credit but the real question is why CBS aired it when the other networks didn't. THAT I'd like to know.

44 posted on 06/20/2012 11:05:16 PM PDT by ProfoundMan (Time to finish the Reagan Revolution! - RightyPics.com)
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To: PA Engineer

Don’t forget Money Walker and the immunities extended to Mexican drug cartel members to move drugs while you’re connecting dots.


45 posted on 06/20/2012 11:09:41 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: ProfoundMan
For that she does deserve credit but the real question is why CBS aired it when the other networks didn't. THAT I'd like to know.

Good point. Why did they break ranks with the occupation media? I have wondered the same.
46 posted on 06/20/2012 11:09:53 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: ProfoundMan

I’ve seen lots of evidence of it. Attkinson has been on this almost from the beginning and she has reported a lot that no one else had before her.


47 posted on 06/20/2012 11:11:55 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: txnuke

Gunwalking was for the purpose of destroying the Second Amendment in America.

Dead Mexicans being great fodder for 0bama’s argument.

How you like them apples, Latinos?


48 posted on 06/20/2012 11:13:26 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (The Presidential Race is about the relative light reflectivity of your Socialist Slavemaster.)
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To: TigersEye
Don’t forget Money Walker and the immunities extended to Mexican drug cartel members to move drugs while you’re connecting dots.

My opinion is that it was part of the coup that fell apart. Obama's election was just a small part of it. The PTB moved too quickly. I am trying to figure out where it began to fall apart and all of the players. I don't think this is tinfoil anymore. Then again I never really did.
49 posted on 06/20/2012 11:16:46 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: TigersEye
Hillary's Gun Control Record

If you search for "hillary multiple sale firearms" you'll get a lot of nebulous hits but the article above is pretty comprehensive. Her role seems to be to tie the "travesty" of US gun sales to Mexico to the international effort to infringe on the American Second Amendment in support of the UN Small Arms Treaty. I recall hearing reports of her support of the multi-state multiple gun sale reporting requirements as the news of the US sales just hit but it quickly faded after Brian Terry was killed. Spooky, huh?

50 posted on 06/20/2012 11:19:36 PM PDT by ProfoundMan (Time to finish the Reagan Revolution! - RightyPics.com)
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