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Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations (Dec 2011)
CBS News ^ | December 7, 2011 | Sharryl Attkisson

Posted on 06/20/2012 9:30:30 PM PDT by txnuke

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To: TigersEye
I’ve seen lots of evidence of it.

Care to cite some?

51 posted on 06/20/2012 11:22:26 PM PDT by ProfoundMan (Time to finish the Reagan Revolution! - RightyPics.com)
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To: ProfoundMan
Spooky, huh?

Oh yeah! She's a real piece of work. Unlike some I would never think of Hillary as some kind of lesser evil than 0rookie. Thanks for the link.

52 posted on 06/20/2012 11:24:30 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: ProfoundMan
Here's the first page of her work. At the bottom hit the "next page" button to see more.
53 posted on 06/20/2012 11:27:52 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: txnuke
CBS News?

"and that's the way it is ....

54 posted on 06/20/2012 11:39:32 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: TigersEye
Here's the first page of her work. At the bottom hit the "next page" button to see more.

Hmmm. I thought you'd have an actual example of original reporting. As interested as I am in this, I really haven't the time to search through 13 pages of links then compare them to the work of David Codrea and the Sipsey Street folks to see who got there first. Apparently you don't either. So it goes...

Impeach Holder... and his boss too!.

On that, I'm sure we can agree. G'nite!

55 posted on 06/21/2012 12:36:55 AM PDT by ProfoundMan (Time to finish the Reagan Revolution! - RightyPics.com)
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To: PA Engineer

See post 8:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2897470/posts


56 posted on 06/21/2012 1:11:24 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (No matter how cynical you get, it's never enough to keep up.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
To summarize:

1. Operation Fast and Furious was walking firearms to Mexican narco gangs without the knowledge of the Mexican government.

2. Operation Castaway was walking firearms from the U.S. to Honduran MS-13 street gangs.

3. Various internal ATF operations have been walking guns to large American city street gangs (e.g. from Indiana gun shops to Chicago street gangs).

So far, two U.S. agents, Terry (Border Patrol) and Zapata (ICE), have been killed, over 150 to 200 Mexican LEOs killed, and thousands of Mexican citizens killed as collateral damage in Mexico.

The following agencies and departments are complicit in the subversion of two sovereign nations and growing violent crime in the United States.

1. White House — Pres Obama and staffers.
2. DoJ — AG Holder and staff.
3. BATFE — Administrator Melson and staffers.
4. DoS — Sec Clinton and staffers; violations of Export Administration Regulations (EAR) and ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Regulations).
5. FBI — Director Mueller and staffers; tampering with evidence of third gun in Agent Terry shooting because shooter was one of their Confidential Informants that infiltrated one of the cartels command structure
6. DEA — Administrator Leonhart and staffers.
7. DHS — Sec Napolitano and staffers.
8. IRS — Director Schulman and staffers.

What we have here is a criminal enterprise of U.S. government agencies and departments that qualify for RICO indictments. There has even been misappropriation of “stimulus” funds to purchase guns from U.S. dealers for walking into Mexico by government departments/agencies.

And no one thinks this is a PROBLEM?

57 posted on 06/21/2012 1:22:59 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: MasterGunner01

Thank you for your summary!

RICO, right on the money.


58 posted on 06/21/2012 1:43:45 AM PDT by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: MasterGunner01

Don’t forget the DEA was laundering drug money for the cartels as part of another ‘sting’...


59 posted on 06/21/2012 2:59:17 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: txnuke

save


60 posted on 06/21/2012 3:20:45 AM PDT by MEG33 (O Lord, Guide Our Nation)
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To: txnuke

Knew this was the agenda all along.


61 posted on 06/21/2012 3:21:38 AM PDT by SueRae (The Tower of Sauron falls on 11.06.2012)
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To: TornadoAlley3

There actually was a legitimate operation, Wide Receiver, which began under Bush and was carried out in conjunction with the Mexican government and police forces. It was aimed at tracking the criminal networks that got guns into the hands of the drug gangs, and was a typical sting operation that was monitored at every step of the way by law enforcement and in the riskier situations involved weapons that had been disabled. This is what Calderon thought he was agreeing to continue with Obama.

In reality, Mexico was utterly blindsided by the Obama operation, which had nothing to do with drug gangs but was intended to prove that legitimate gun sales were evil and to rev up support for some (US) gun control measures that Obama planned to impose. Mexicans are enraged by Fast and Furious, a cynical, arrogant operation that simply used their country and resulted in the deaths of hundreds of Mexicans. We lost two citizens to it; Mexicans lost hundreds, and in their own country, because of Obama’s ideologically motivated operation.


62 posted on 06/21/2012 3:38:32 AM PDT by livius
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To: txnuke

This from CBS?

Guess they must’ve talked to their accountants who advised they better stop losing money on their news division. Spouting lib talking points wasn’t putting bread on the table.


63 posted on 06/21/2012 3:40:07 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: MestaMachine; waterhill; ixtl
Unbelievable!

This is truly treason of the highest order.

(((ping)))

64 posted on 06/21/2012 3:44:46 AM PDT by Envisioning (Call me a racist........, one more time..........)
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To: Envisioning
Our forefathers would have all involved kicking at the end of a rope by now!
65 posted on 06/21/2012 3:58:47 AM PDT by Envisioning (Call me a racist........, one more time..........)
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To: txnuke

Excellent! Finally we may be getting somewhere. Sharyl Attkisson of CBS News ROCKS!


66 posted on 06/21/2012 4:24:49 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: Iron Munro

That photo cannot come soon enough for me.


67 posted on 06/21/2012 4:36:02 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: RitaOK
Striking is the realization that the ATF was never tracking cartel sales at all, but were instead tracking the incidents of cartel murders, bloodshed and mahem that they could report on, in order to build a case against long gun sales and gun rights. F&F was never reported as tracking ensuing murders provided by ATF weapons. Some of us are just now getting that picture. 300 Mexicans dead to build a narrative against gun buyers in the US. One of our own dead.

As reprehensible as Terry's death is, we should not lose sight of the fact that these weapons were provided to violent criminals who killed Mexican citizens, and without Mexico's knowledge. In addition to the sheer crime of the loss of lives, that is dangerously close to being an act of war against a (nominally) friendly foreign country.

68 posted on 06/21/2012 4:41:29 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: Envisioning

I would like to remind everybody of a man named johnie sutton,the Prosecutor that was respnsible for Ramos and Campean.We knew then that bush was into something unsavory but no one ever followed up on it.
The drug money and money laundering had already been going on for a long time. It wasn’t until obama though, that they decided to use the ops to change the gun control laws in the US.


69 posted on 06/21/2012 4:48:38 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: kevkrom

Is this what Obama fears?


70 posted on 06/21/2012 4:53:49 AM PDT by smalltownslick
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To: Iron Munro

nice....and sheriff Joe will supply the pink undies


71 posted on 06/21/2012 4:56:00 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear; MestaMachine

“..She BETTER give credit to these guys, d@mmit!!!!!!!
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/
THEY were the ones. NOT the MSM!...”

Mike Vanderbeough (at Sipsey Street Irregulars) and David Codrea were on this like white on rice since it first started; way back when Hillary made her “Iron River of American guns flowing into Mexico” statement, and Oblama with his “we’re working on something under the radar” statement.

They’re good guys, Patriots through and through.


72 posted on 06/21/2012 5:01:20 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: ProfoundMan

I gave you dozens of examples of her original reporting. What did you give me on Hillary and guns? A search page with stories about gun control around the world and not one article that mentioned Hillary Clinton. Buzz off, dipstick.


73 posted on 06/21/2012 5:21:07 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: txnuke

Bookmark ... and a Hugh Thank You!


74 posted on 06/21/2012 5:46:04 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: kevkrom

I’d say this was bordering on, if not completely stepping over the line of,

an act of war.

Now, it would be considered that, UNLESS, the Mexican government was in on it as well as a co-conspirator. In which case, they are just as evil if not more so - sacrificing their own citizens and law enforcement on the altar of gun control and Marxism.


75 posted on 06/21/2012 5:56:10 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: txnuke

Here it comes....


76 posted on 06/21/2012 6:04:09 AM PDT by Principled (It's not enthusiasm for Romney, it's grim determination to remove Hussein)
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To: ProfoundMan; PA Engineer
the real question is why CBS aired it when the other networks didn't. THAT I'd like to know.

Am willing to offer an opinion. SeeBS has been taking hits from viewers, callers, and other assorted and possibly powerful and not so powerful people. Do not know at what level these hits are taking place, and continued hits are possibly ongoing, yet perhaps there maybe has been a shift of the ground under the powerful people at SeeBS. After Dan (would) Rather (lie) and the take down by an Internet person (here at this site of FreeRepublic) there has to have been high level discussions within SeeBS (imho). Am offering an opinion and do not know anything typed is for certain, though the TEA has left an unpleasant taste, in the mouths, of those who have been exposed (imho). This could be part of the reasoning for the break with the other networks. The other networks have to be trying to think on their backs as to how to recover from their incoherence possibly too for having went into or rather not into these facts of F&F, an inescapable set of facts that people died because of White House and Department of Justice policy, when the people dead from the weapons transferred did not have to die. Just some thoughts both of you are already aware of in your heart of hearts, and simply an opinion.

77 posted on 06/21/2012 6:13:52 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: txnuke

This we suspected from the beginning.


78 posted on 06/21/2012 6:26:57 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Buckhead

My apology. Thinking you should have been pinged to #77. Am relying on memory and believe am correct. If am making an error another apology.


79 posted on 06/21/2012 6:31:11 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: RitaOK
[Some of us are just now getting that picture. 300 Mexicans dead to build a narrative against gun buyers in the US. One of our own dead.]

This is a macabre form of political theater—a staged event meant to alter the public consciousness on an issue. The Obama camp has employed political theater regularly usually in the form of mass street demonstrations. Remember the stream of coordinated theatrics following the death of Bin Laden. In this case the intent was to create chaos in a foreign country and plant evidence that would lead back north to the U.S. firearms industry.

When the American public fully comprehends the cold-blooded crime that a handful of conspirators from the White House, Justice Department and ATF perpetrated in early 2009 they will become enraged.

80 posted on 06/21/2012 7:20:17 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: txnuke

“Fast and Furious” also describes the Obamunist mission to destroy (”fundamentally transform”) America from within.


81 posted on 06/21/2012 7:44:57 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: txnuke
Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.

Yep. We knew this. It was easy to figure out. It's the lefts MO.

In order for the democrats to do anything, they have to create a crises (oboma weapons killing people in great numbers).
They wait for people to cry out for relief (we need stronger gun laws!).
They blame their opponents (the Republicans and NRA for the killings).
They come in with a "new way" (more government regulations and institutions), because the "old way" (liberty) didn't work!

Everything works just fine until the "progressives" decide to break it. Health care was fine until the "progressives" decided they wanted the premium money for themselves. They sent out the trial lawyers to drive up the costs so high, people would cry out for relief. They then blamed their opponents, and passed a massive, anti-liberty Obomacare bill. Presto! All that insurance money is now theirs.

"Never waste a good crises"(even if you have to create the crises yourself).

82 posted on 06/21/2012 7:58:21 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: txnuke

Actually it is a GOOD thing that it’s still in the “Popular Now” list. People will still see it and at least CBS hasn’t stifled it.


83 posted on 06/21/2012 7:59:08 AM PDT by Sal (STAND YOUR GROUND laws are the prosecutor's target--GZ is collateral damage.)
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To: M. Thatcher; Admin Moderator
"Story dated December 7, 2011 - you should ask the mods to add publication date to headline in brackets. THIS IS OLD."

Noted. I did not specifically request this, but included Admin Moderator in a previous post saying this is old news.

Moderator, please add date in brackets to headline.

Good that its still getting some attention in the "popular now" list at cbsnews.com

84 posted on 06/21/2012 8:18:32 AM PDT by txnuke (Drip Drip Drip goes the eligibility questions. Vet the candidates.)
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To: txnuke

And the sabotage of the BP oil rig made the case for Obama’s domestic oil drilling moratoriums.


85 posted on 06/21/2012 9:52:31 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: txnuke
Other resignations need to be demanded besides Holder's. Hillary Clinton and Janet Napolitano are in this up to their eyebrows.
86 posted on 06/21/2012 9:54:52 AM PDT by Missouri gal
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To: TigersEye
and not one article that mentioned Hillary Clinton.

You should look closer - there are 24 mentions of Hillary just on that page. Each of them is about her role in supporting foreign intervention in the Second Amendment.

Your contention was that Atkisson did original reporting on F&F, I just thought you might have an example of that in the front of mind. Apparently not.

I want her and everyone who did good work on this to keep doing it. As Reagan said, a lot gets done when you don't worry about who gets credit.

I was Holder prosecuted. I want this "long national nightmare" over.

Dipstick...

87 posted on 06/21/2012 10:40:41 AM PDT by ProfoundMan (Time to finish the Reagan Revolution! - RightyPics.com)
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To: ProfoundMan

Idiot! I gave you a link to a list of all of her articles. Examples don’t get more direct than that.


88 posted on 06/21/2012 10:45:56 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Our own government formulating falsehoods in an effort to clamp down on our rights....blows me away.

Who's the enemy here? The citizens?

This government favoring foreign interests in seemingly all avenues over it's own people.

Oh man!!! Corrupt corrupt corrupt

89 posted on 06/21/2012 11:08:25 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: TigersEye

Wow. You’ve called me “dipstick” and now “idiot”. Ad hominum attacks are usually the refuge for folks who have no other facts or logic at their disposal. I can only infer that you’re out of ideas on this ridiculously minor issue.

I said I didn’t have the time to wade through everything she’s written to do the comparison I thought you’d be able to supply. You evidently can’t provide a specific example for your assertion that Atkisson supplied original reporting on F&F and that’s fine - no big deal. I also don’t have further time to help you provide relevance to your unsubstianted assertions.

Enjoy your Pulitzer, Sheryl!


90 posted on 06/21/2012 12:25:47 PM PDT by ProfoundMan (Time to finish the Reagan Revolution! - RightyPics.com)
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To: ProfoundMan
I gave you dozens of specific examples not just one.

I guess an ad-hominem in your case is superfluous. You make it clear enough with your own posts.

91 posted on 06/21/2012 12:29:36 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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bump


92 posted on 01/15/2013 10:05:00 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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