Skip to comments.Fast, Furious, and Inept
Posted on 06/20/2012 9:56:18 PM PDT by saywhatagain
That, it seems, is now at the heart of the dispute even as Democratic members of the House Oversight Committee forget their pledge to the Terry family to not rest until they get to the bottom of how our own government could be so incredibly stupid as to supply Mexican drug cartels with thousands of state-of-the-art weapons.
(Excerpt) Read more at bostonherald.com ...
So they get to the bottom of it by voting AGAINST contempt.
Lies, lies and more lies
Yesterday President Barack Obama invoked executive privilege to prevent a House committee investigating the so-called Fast and Furious gunrunning scandal from acquiring subpoenaed documents from Justice a move that comes eight months after the committees demand for information in the case.
And on this, the 40th anniversary of the Watergate break-in, it brings to mind the catch-phrase of that era what did the president know and when did he know it.
The program wasn’t inept..the cover up was inept. The program was designed to cause additional restrictions of fire arm sales in the US by flooding Mexico with weapons.
The result was two US Agents dying and hundreds of Mexican’s killed or wounded. Judging by the statements of Obama, Hillary and Holder..they all expected this program to result in evidence the US was the source of most of the weapons in Mexico..they all knew what it was about.
The GOP should be on the Supreme Court doorstep tomorrow to request and injunction against this executive privilege. They shouldn’t wait.
But this is the point that it seems is ignored by all most of the time: This group of degenerates were attempting to fabricate data in an effort to deprive citizens of their rights... why is this not at the top of the headlines when we hear Fast and Furious? Why are people not outraged by this?
These bastards need to be in prison, not embarrassed politically, not held in contempt, but thrown in jail for treasonous behavior, behaving contrary to constitutional law and outright abuse of authority.
"But this was a terrible operation. It should never have taken place. Much to his credit, Attorney General Holder ended the program, he disciplined ATF officials who were involved. He convened and -- inspector general to take a look at the issue. He testified over eight times with the Congress and he's provided thousands of documents- "
Thank you for saying. Needs to be repeated!
We have a week to generate public opinion in support of the contempt vote. Let’s go!
“The GOP should be on the Supreme Court doorstep tomorrow to request and injunction against this executive privilege. They shouldnt wait.”
*Flashback* Brian Terrys Mother To Eric Holder: "Youre A Joke And A Coward
But consider more than half the populace has never heard of Fast and Furious. More than 75% of the populace do not "understand" what it truly means.
Half of the populace who have heard it, have been spun to believe its George Bush admin at fault.
Then consider that if any white person says anything lest a congress person, they will be considered racist
I pray and maybe God will lead.
Amen Brother. These are strange times.
Can you "source" that quote? Might be valuable to help in the next week to share with others before the vote.
You are exactly right, remember Fat Nappy’s memo that said “90% of all cartel guns come from the USA”?
Feinstein and all the Libtards went on the talk shows with the Soros-Clinton message to win public opinion against guns.
These Totalitarian maggots want us defenseless and broke, so we can work for them in their Global Feudal Estate, where the bureaucrats and military live like kinds and we are all in virtual slavery by the “wise, Progressive” ones.
These people are disgusting and deserve a cell.
300 dead Mexican citizens, police officers and Federale agents.
Half of the populace who have heard it, have been spun to believe its George Bush admin at fault.
Half of the population is strung out on either prescription and/or illicit drugs, addicted to video games, are lazy fat asses who live off of one form of government “assistance” or the other and don’t give a Shiltze about anything except satisfying their immediate fleshy desires.
God Help Us!
No. You go ahead.
True. The cover up was pathetic.
It was not “incredibly stupid” as the story reports, it was an agenda, one that would track and report cartel murders with our ATF weapons, in order to create a false and biased narrative for media to hit gun rights.
300 Mexicans died for that ATF agenda. Just to advance opposition to gun rights.
Brian Terry was collateral damage.
This ranks right up there with Obama’s reported obsession with drone strikes on foreign soil and drone surveillance at home. Whatever it takes to make a score for tyranny.
Everything will be shredded before Boehner gets up and does anything.
But consider more than half the populace has never heard of Fast and Furious....You forgot “so-called Fast & Furious”. You know, like the ‘so-called Operation Overlord’ in WWII?
The second agent, Zapata, whom no one ever talks about, was likely assassinated. He knew too much.
It seems more and more likely that this is true. Since the White House is so leaky, it would be good to see a deep throat within the AG/ATF enlighten us...
i don’t buy the profferred thoery about why this happenned. it seems far more likely that someone in the drug cartels bought someone in justice, and arranged for them to allow that cartel assecc to american guns.
someone high up.
Corruption makes more sense than the gun control argument.
The UN is actively engaged in several programs to disarm Americans and deprive citizens of their God given rights. You wouldn't get the results you're hoping for from this. The UN is a domestic enemy.
A plane used in CIA renditions didn’t just happen by accident to get in the hands of the F&F Furious Sinaloa Drug Cartel - with 4 tons of cocaine on it.
Btw, most people don’t know this:
“He adds that the CIA has agents operating inside many federal law enforcement agencies utilizing what is known as an official cover.
“From Valentines story:
By 1977, some 125 former CIA officers had been infiltrated into the DEA at every level of the organization, especially in intelligence units, making everything possible from black market arms exchanges, to negotiations with terrorists, to political assassination. It also put the CIA in total control of targeting.
Leutrell Osborne, a former CIA case officer, told Narco News essentially the same thing when he conveyed his concern about the merging of spook and law enforcement agendas.
Law enforcement and intelligence operations have become one and the same, Osborne says. We as citizens are all affected by this because it has a major impact on civil and human rights.
All in the name of fighting drugs.....
Was F&F sloppy tradecraft????? You decide.
IMHO...F&F was a Federal narco running op that blew up and they’ve tried to morph it into “gunwalking” which seems, IMHO, scarcely believable....in order to contain the blowback...
I've read reports the drug cartels control the "coyotes" who help illegals get across the border. Maybe they made a deal - get us the guns, and we'll import you a whole bunch of potential votes.
Hundreds of people were gunned down and slaughtered.
I think our focus on the one or two Americans is understandable, but the hundreds of Mexicans killed also demand justice.
They died so a leftwing government in another country could further restrict the civil rights of their citizens. And those citizens are considering reelecting that government, rather than imprisoning them!
One of my favorite quotes in all of this is from Mike Levine, former DEA agent:
“If I were a criminal profiler, it wouldnt take much to identify a CIA pattern here [with Fast and Furious]: A wacko, barroom commando, illegal operation that makes no sense whatsoever, run outside the control of law enforcement.”
Meanwhile, I ran into this story about CIA spies that were caught in Iran and Lebanon. Sloppy tradecraft or a traitor....
I fear for the damage that Obama is about to do after he is voted out.
It is possible that Obama was intentionally insulated from the F&F disaster but is using EP to protect Jarrett.
However, I hope the Coverup takes him down.
you know that riuns my day to find out this...
cash is more direct, more trustworthy, and easier to conceal..
You know, that touches on one aspect of this enterprise that I've seen only mentioned in passing, if at all: What are the ramifications of this conspiracy in terms of international law? Normally, arming opponents of a lawfully-elected government of a foreign sovereign nation is considered an act of war.
Note I'm not a lawyer, international or otherwise, nor could anyone pay me enough to make be become one. $:-)
Two words: Eighteen minutes.
That’s the amount of time that was erased from the Watergate tapes.
What makes anyone think that a corrupt admin. that found an “expert” to undetectably doctor BO’s birth certificate isn’t scrambling to do same with the F and F documents at this very moment? Or plan B: just shred..
My son’s friend dropped out of college one semester and managed to forge a grade summary at the end of the year complete with professors comments about what a great student he was....which he proceeded to hand over to his beaming parents.
The average American citizen does not really know what goes on in the upper eschelons of our government
Frankly, IMO, they are better off not knowing the antics of some of these organizations.
The reason there are so many people who claim “kooky CIA theory” “tin foil” etc. etc. etc...is because they don’t know what goes on and it does seem like kooky antics to the average citizen.
There is a poster on this site that tried to claim to me that it was kooky to think they CIA armed Sinaloa through F&F because they were arming the enemy of the Sinaloas...but couldn’t tell me how a CIA rendition plane got into the hands of the F&F Sinaloas. How does that happen without the approval of the CIA since a known CIA/FBI/DEA asset was involved in the selling/purchasing of that plane. The changing of the hands of that plane happened twice several weeks before it crashed. It had to crash because someone in Mexico wouldn’t let it land. That someone ended up dead
Since I believe without a doubt that the CIA was mixed up F&F..I am waiting to see just how far this will go.
I will be shocked if the true details of this ever come out.
The more I read and observe, the more I believe once again what we have here amongst the American people is a failur of "common sense"
Maybe its time for many to stop guessing, speculating and assuming. Energy better spent on uncovering the facts. Speculation only adds to the noise and confusion.
But certainly Brian Terry's mother has it correct about Eric Holder. He is a coward and is not interested in sharing with the American people the TRUTH.
First, the Arms Export Control Act, 22 USC §2778.. It authorizes the President to define defense articles and regulate their export. In so doing, he must consider the possibility that export could “support international terrorism, increase the possibility of outbreak or escalation of conflict...”
Those defense articles may not be exported without a permit, issued by the Secretary of State ( Department of State guidelines here), “except that no license shall be required for exports or imports made by or for an agency of the United States Government
(A) for official use by a department or agency of the United States Government, or
(B) for carrying out any foreign assistance or sales program authorized by law and subject to the control of the President by other means.”
God helps those who help themselves...
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