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US SCOTUS Decision (10am) Open thread for Thursday June 21st, 2012

Posted on 06/21/2012 2:58:37 AM PDT by Perdogg

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Today the court is handing down decisions, possibly in the Arizona Immigration Law case.

Make your Prediction on:

1. Az Immigration law

2a. Heathcare Mandate

2b. Heathcare Servability

3. Stolen Valor Act


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: notbreakingnews; scotus; scotuslivewatch; scotusobamacare; scotuswatch; vanity
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1 posted on 06/21/2012 2:58:52 AM PDT by Perdogg
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I think it will be overwhelming...maybe even 8-1 in favor of scrapping the entire mess.

Let congress do their job....the right way.

I suppose it will make Obama happy because it will be another diversion for Holder and the crap economny.

2 posted on 06/21/2012 3:02:46 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Perdogg

1. Look for health mandate to be struck down.
2. Look for AZ law to be upheild.


3 posted on 06/21/2012 3:04:10 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Sacajaweau

Second it.


4 posted on 06/21/2012 3:04:50 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Perdogg

I predict no matter what the decisions are, ears will ignore them and dare someone to stop him from implementing them anyway.


5 posted on 06/21/2012 3:05:51 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (This tagline for rent. Contact GeorgiaDawg32 for pricing and excellent financing options.)
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To: Perdogg
Arizona....A state has a right to make its own laws regarding its population as long as it does not violate the constitution of both Feds and State.

It has become apparent that the Fed's approach is insufficient and immigrants are found in every nook and cranny of Arizona causing a burden upon the peoples of the state.

Arizona will win.

6 posted on 06/21/2012 3:08:49 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Biggirl

Do you think the entire HC law is struck down?


7 posted on 06/21/2012 3:09:22 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg
Oh cr**...Does this mean that Obama is warming up his monitor and that we will have to listen to "The Dictator".

Bet he's got a fistfull of Executive Orders ready....And he's going to tell US to go to hell.

8 posted on 06/21/2012 3:12:09 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Perdogg

I predict that the media will tell lies and declare that all SCOTUS decisions will help Obama in his re-election attempt.


9 posted on 06/21/2012 3:12:55 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Perdogg

I’m prepared for a nasty surprise on health care. Not that they would vote and not have a majority in favor of repeal but rather a punt in order not to take any stand


10 posted on 06/21/2012 3:15:25 AM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: Perdogg
What's important right now is "business".....and the threat of Obamacare being eliminated.

HOWEVER,if businesses do move ahead and start hiring, it may change the unemployment numbers to Obama's advantage.

11 posted on 06/21/2012 3:16:12 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau
Bet he's got a fistfull of Executive Orders ready....And he's going to tell US to go to hell.

He waved his magic wand for the 800,000, so yeah, the sky's the limit for this usurper.

12 posted on 06/21/2012 3:17:55 AM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: ari-freedom

I think people are now inventing ways to be pessimistic. You statement defies logic since there is a minimum threshold for the SCOTUS to accept a case.


13 posted on 06/21/2012 3:22:53 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Sacajaweau

“Bet he’s got a fistfull of Executive Orders ready....And he’s going to tell US to go to hell”

Indeed


14 posted on 06/21/2012 3:26:18 AM PDT by MEG33 (O Lord, Guide Our Nation)
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To: Perdogg
I predict that the media will tell lies and declare that all SCOTUS decisions will help Obama in his re-election attempt.

It wlll be hard sense it Polls so low in favor of Obama care. Don't know anyone who ever ran on passing Obamacare

15 posted on 06/21/2012 3:28:32 AM PDT by scooby321 (h tones)
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To: Perdogg
The SCOTUS to Obama:

“You are not Caesar so stand down!”

Obama to the SCOTUS and everyone else:

“Make Me!”

It's gonna be another Goetterdaemmerung with THIS fascist tyrant—pray that most of the armed federal employees remember their oath to the US Constitution.

16 posted on 06/21/2012 3:32:11 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Call me racist but Obama is not God.")
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To: ClearCase_guy
I predict that the media will tell lies and declare that all SCOTUS decisions will help Obama in his re-election attempt.

Really goin' out on a limb, huh? ;)

17 posted on 06/21/2012 3:33:07 AM PDT by THX 1138 ("Harry, I have a gift.")
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To: Perdogg

“I think people are now inventing ways to be pessimistic. You statement defies logic since there is a minimum threshold for the SCOTUS to accept a case.”

I don’t want to be pessimistic...I didn’t think Obama would win in the first place. :(


18 posted on 06/21/2012 3:38:01 AM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: Perdogg

Healthcare decision will be issued on Monday.


19 posted on 06/21/2012 3:42:13 AM PDT by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: ClearCase_guy
"I predict that the media will tell lies...."

That's a clear case if ever there was one, ClearCase_guy

20 posted on 06/21/2012 3:42:55 AM PDT by Reo (the 4th Estate is a 5th Column)
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To: ari-freedom

So instead of pessimistic, you were just naive? lol


21 posted on 06/21/2012 3:42:55 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front!)
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To: Sacajaweau

I hope he has them ready and I hope he uses them to go full Stalin.

Honestly, until people ‘feel the pain’, they will just keep ‘getting along’ and keep their heads down. I hope that he POs people to the point that they finaly say ENOUGH!. Because I just don’t believe that without their personal ox getting gored, whatever flavor of Ox that may be, that most will ever lift a finger to stop him.


22 posted on 06/21/2012 3:43:35 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Hoodat

I find it odd that they would not do it today since today is a “special day”.


23 posted on 06/21/2012 3:53:55 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

nObamacare will be knocked down & AZ upheld.

My bigger concern is the retirement announcement of Ginsberg and/or Stephens. That’ll be a HUGE shiny object to distract from the withHolder issue.


24 posted on 06/21/2012 4:03:21 AM PDT by ne1410s ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." Winston Churchill)
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To: Perdogg

Thanks for the thread Perdogg.Working from home today so I will have a chance to watch.


25 posted on 06/21/2012 4:05:52 AM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: mkjessup

“So instead of pessimistic, you were just naive? lol”

I thought Hillary would win because of the Clinton machine, the female vote and her experience. No, I didn’t expect some fruitcake from Chicago would defeat established political veterans.


26 posted on 06/21/2012 4:07:55 AM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: Norm Lenhart
"Honestly, until people ‘feel the pain’, they will just keep ‘getting along’ and keep their heads down."

I woke up thinking about the unconscious, including liberals, this morning. I saw them all as the famous frogs in a huge pot. We (conservatives) either never jumped in the water or jumped out early on. Now we are seeing some of the rest wake up and do the same or try. They are not feeling any pain yet. For some only if he gets his hands on their 401K's will they finally wake up. It will be too late long before that.

27 posted on 06/21/2012 4:10:04 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Buy and read Ameritopia by Mark Levin!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Yeah but Obama was the real winner in Wisconsin don’t ya know?

;-)


28 posted on 06/21/2012 4:11:45 AM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: Perdogg
Denver Post (June 21) front page AP article ...

Poll: Only a third of Americans favor Obama's health care law -

WASHINGTON — Just a third of Americans back President Barack Obama's health care overhaul on which the Supreme Court is about to pass judgment, a new poll finds. But there is overwhelming support among both supporters and opponents for Congress and the president to begin work on a new bill if the high court strikes down the two-year-old law.

29 posted on 06/21/2012 4:19:22 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Perdogg

I hope Barry has an early tee time.


30 posted on 06/21/2012 4:21:28 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Perdogg; Sacajaweau

Each of the more political decisions will be decided along political lines since the liberals will not break rank and support the constitution.

Make your Prediction on:

5-3.....1. Az Immigration law

5-4.....2a. Heathcare Mandate

5-4.....2b. Heathcare Servability

6-3.....3. Stolen Valor Act


31 posted on 06/21/2012 4:27:07 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: BluH2o
Just a third of Americans back President Barack Obama's health care overhaul on which the Supreme Court is about to pass judgment

Polls mean nothing. The Kenyan only needs the votes of five Black-robed Priests. Our voice means not a thing.

32 posted on 06/21/2012 4:28:30 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc)
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To: Perdogg
Either way, I think the Obamacare decision is the most important thing this year. It's way more significant than the election because unless it is thrown out, it Will never be reversed in congress. An entitlement like this will be the final. Ail in our national Coffin.
33 posted on 06/21/2012 4:37:23 AM PDT by outofstyle (Down All the Days)
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To: Perdogg

6-3 Holder is hauled off to jail

5-4 Obama is hauled off to jail


34 posted on 06/21/2012 4:41:35 AM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the StatistI)
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To: Perdogg

Would not surprise me if that happens. This could be why there is a delay, the Supremes are getting ready to strike the law down, and are working out an effort to do a “getting out of dodge” security-related effort in case of last minute protests by Obama-supporters.


35 posted on 06/21/2012 4:47:40 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Perdogg
Arizona Immigration Law -- Struck Down

Health Care Mandate -- Upheld

Health Care Serverability -- Moot point

Stolen Valor -- Struck Down

Despite all reason and logic, Conservatism strikes out.

36 posted on 06/21/2012 4:48:58 AM PDT by buckalfa (Nabob of Negativity)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

The only thing congress can do is begin impeachment for failing to protect the constitution and illegal overeach..
so far all are afraid...we will see.

possible defund the government agencies in questions, DOJ, EPA etc...


37 posted on 06/21/2012 4:49:51 AM PDT by aces
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To: Perdogg

1. Az Immigration law, 2a. Heathcare Mandate, & 2b. Heathcare Servability. After yesterday’s events, total chaos in the MSM & among Lefties in general.

“Love the smell of napalm in the morning”


38 posted on 06/21/2012 4:53:19 AM PDT by ClockDoc (George)
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To: Sacajaweau

I suppose it will make Obama happy because it will be another diversion for Holder and the crap economny......I don’t know about Murdergate but, he will see the economy jump about 20 points if the fershitty mess is destroyed because business will have some idea where to turn and use the money they been stashin’ to expand.


39 posted on 06/21/2012 4:59:56 AM PDT by Safetgiver
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To: buckalfa

Seriously? You think the mandate and law will be upheld? I say they are both gone.


40 posted on 06/21/2012 5:01:12 AM PDT by bjcoop
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To: Perdogg

It is pretty clear that Obama is going to run against the SCOTUS in the upcoming election. I think that is why he claimed Executive Privilege on F&F — just to pick another fight with the Justices.

Of course, his tongue lashing of the SCOTUS will not serve him well, but he will blame the court for holding back Hope and Change.


41 posted on 06/21/2012 5:05:13 AM PDT by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: bjcoop

Did you read his tagline? “Nabob of Negativity”


42 posted on 06/21/2012 5:08:42 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: buckalfa

I’ll join in your cynicism. They wouldn’t be my hope or predictions but as things are? I can see it happening that way.


43 posted on 06/21/2012 5:17:24 AM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: Perdogg

Stolen Valor Today. Immigration next Monday. Health Care next Thursday.


44 posted on 06/21/2012 5:21:13 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: Perdogg

Given the screwwy nature of our political world, I’ll predict the most convoluted, illogical outcome possible:

5-4 to strike down Az Immigration

5-4 to strike down Individual Mandate

5-4 to uphold the rest of Obamacare


45 posted on 06/21/2012 5:22:02 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Behind enemy lines in the city where it's illegal to buy a Big Gulp)
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To: Sacajaweau

Respectfully disagree. Sotomayor, Kaga, and Ginsberg ALL will never give up liberalism and bias against freedom.

My guess is that Kennedy is the deciding factor in a 5-4 decision on everything.


46 posted on 06/21/2012 5:25:17 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Perdogg

I predict that no matter what the Supreme Court decides Obama will continue to act as if he alone is the only legitimate branch of government.


47 posted on 06/21/2012 5:29:52 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Virgil Goode! Because everyone else is Bad!)
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To: Perdogg

1. Az Immigration law - Upheld

2a. Heathcare Mandate - Overturned

2b. Heathcare Severability - It is NOT severable, as they took specific action to omit this provision. It would not have passed without taking this step.

3. Stolen Valor Act - upheld


48 posted on 06/21/2012 5:32:48 AM PDT by G Larry (There's no hope of a safe landing when you hire a suicidal pilot!)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

I think Monday is the last day.


49 posted on 06/21/2012 5:34:55 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: ClearCase_guy

Not to worry.

Obama will be so focused on salvaging Obamacare, it will remain a threat and a battle line through the election.


50 posted on 06/21/2012 5:35:00 AM PDT by G Larry (There's no hope of a safe landing when you hire a suicidal pilot!)
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