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Motorcyclist says Dallas crackdown went too far (TX)
wfaa.com ^ | 19 June, 2012 | DAVID SCHECHTER

Posted on 06/21/2012 1:28:03 PM PDT by marktwain

NEWS 8 EXCLUSIVE

DALLAS — It was Sunday of Memorial Day weekend, and Chris Moore — riding southbound on Stemmons Freeway in Dallas in a pack of 50 to 100 sport bikes — was pulled over while traveling below the speed limit.

"I didn't expect that at all," Moore said.

Officers were out in force that weekend, working to prevent another shutdown of a Dallas freeway like the one on Memorial Day weekend 2011 that ultimately led to three arrests.

So why was Moore pulled over?

Dallas Deputy Sheriff James Westbrook said he wanted to see what was on Moore's camera.

MOORE: "Was I doing something wrong? What am I being pulled over for?"

WESTBROOK: "The whole group of you guys."

MOORE: "No. I was not, individually. How can you pull me over?"

WESTBROOK: "The reason you're being pulled over is because I'm gonna take your camera and we're gonna use it as evidence of the crimes that have been committed by other bikers."

MOORE: "I have not committed any crimes, and you cannot take my personal property from me, sir."

WESTBOOK: "That's fine. Need to see your license and registration."

Moore's lawyer, Hunter Biederman, reviewed the recording.

"Here this officer decided to just go rogue and pull over the first guy he saw with a helmet camera on," he said.

The way Moore sees it, it's not illegal to have a video camera. But when the Deputy returned, he arrested Moore for having a concealed license plate.

WESTBROOK: "You're under arrest for your license plate being obstructed. Place your hands."

MOORE: "Are you kidding me, dude?"

WESTBROOK: "Place your hands behind your back."

As Moore continued to protest, the deputy lost his patience.

MOORE: "Why'd you pull me over in the first place?"

WESTBROOK: "Have a seat, okay?"

MOORE: "Sir. Sir. What you did to me was not right. You know it."

WESTBROOK: "I'm going to ask you one more time to have a seat."

MOORE: "That's f'ed up. Where's my bike going?"

WESTBROOK: "Sit down.I'm telling you to chill out."

Westbrook is then seen on the video shoving Moore into his squad car and slamming the door forcefully.

In a written statement, the Sheriff's Office said Moore was stopped because of a concealed plate. The video was confiscated and turned over to the gang unit as evidence.

Moore's bike was impounded; then he spent eight hours in jail — all of it, he says, on a charge that was made up after the fact.

"Completely shocked at their behavior," he said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: arrest; constitution; donutwatch; motorcycle; tx
It will take him a lot of money to challenge the arrest.

There is a poll at the link:

Was the deputy's action justified? Yes or No

1 posted on 06/21/2012 1:28:10 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Dallas cops are dirty. Have been since they got whacked by the feds for substituting crushed sheetrock for cocaine. The prosecutors aren't much better.

It's a culture of corruption.

I stay out of Dallas these days.

/johnny

2 posted on 06/21/2012 1:35:21 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: marktwain

NO, not justified at all. He is an effin fascist with a power complex.


3 posted on 06/21/2012 1:39:24 PM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: marktwain
It's an absolute abuse of power and illegal. One of the many reasons that cops have the lousy reputations that they do...

Mike

4 posted on 06/21/2012 1:42:24 PM PDT by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: marktwain
"Completely shocked at their behavior," he said.

Why would you be. LEO forces all over the country are going rouge and trampling the constitution

5 posted on 06/21/2012 1:45:37 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: marktwain

Trumped up charge. His bike is going to be scratched and dinged and he will have to pay for the privilege. No way they had a right to take the video, etc.


6 posted on 06/21/2012 1:46:23 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: USMCPOP
His bike is going to be scratched and dinged and he will have to pay for the privilege

I beg to differ the cops have it which means he will probably never seen again except in some cops garage getting repainted.

7 posted on 06/21/2012 1:50:49 PM PDT by bikerman (Obama lied,economy died.)
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To: bikerman
the cops have it which means he will probably never seen again except in some cops garage getting repainted.

No, it will be sold at auction. The resulting funds will become part of a confiscation slush fund that's used to buy police toys (e.g., UAVs, SWAT ARs, holographic sights, night vision, robots, etc.).

8 posted on 06/21/2012 1:57:58 PM PDT by Entrepreneur (In hoc signo vinces)
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To: marktwain

wouldn’t you love to be the guy who finally handcuffs one of these pretenders, to their own cruiser?


9 posted on 06/21/2012 2:01:46 PM PDT by G Larry (There's no hope of a safe landing when you hire a suicidal pilot!)
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To: marktwain

The guy shoulda claimed to be here illegally.


10 posted on 06/21/2012 2:02:13 PM PDT by texas_mrs
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To: marktwain

Someone needs to come up with a convenient way for that helmet cam (for example) to transmit the entire recording to a second unit ‘on the fly’. Maybe a second bike. Or a HD back at home. That way the copy is preserved, out of the reach of hoodlums.

I realize that this guy had every reason to expect to be left alone, certainly from the LEO, but we’ve passed the point in the last few years where these roving gangs driving police cars and operating under the color of law are our friends. They have chosen to become our enemies.

I think my tagline fits the situation.


12 posted on 06/21/2012 2:32:11 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

these bikers are a saftey hazard.Last year shut down central expressway.With over hundred so called bikers spray painted crap on hiway,were doing stunts and stupid craqp.DPD is justified in the actions.IMO


13 posted on 06/21/2012 2:32:26 PM PDT by stickandpucknut (Obama doesnt suck he swallows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: marktwain

Many conservatives support the police, however they are wrong. In the end the police will side with the fascists on the left just as they did in NAZI Germany.


14 posted on 06/21/2012 2:38:44 PM PDT by stockpirate (Romney, Ann Coulter & our ruling republican elites, are Big Government socialists, Grand Ole Sociali)
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To: stickandpucknut

You are wrong. How does a group event a year ago justify the actions against an individual that may not have been there last year?
Patrolling, looking for infractions, stopping those committing traffic infractions...sure I agree that is what LEO do.
Stopping him because he has a helmet camera and telling him to hand it over? Not justified.
Then arresting him for a license plate infraction so he could take the camera? More than a little overboard.

This cop blew it and did it on camera no less...

These idiots on two wheels though are just begging to have a new law put on the books so they can be arrested as a group.


15 posted on 06/21/2012 3:00:05 PM PDT by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: marktwain

Nice!

Textbook example of “Oppression under color of law” and “How to abridge a citizens constitutional rights”.

Of course the cops will pressure him with some made-up heavy charge, then offer a “Deal” if he takes a guilty plea to a lesser charge preventing him from filing suit.
Oh, and the towing and storage are his to pay no matter what, even if all charges are dismissed.
Nice way to levy punishment without the pesky need of a conviction at trial!

Speaking from experience here.
Been down very similar roads.

Only the Sheriff is elected, deputy dufus is just an employee.
Unless the sheriff puts a stop to this abuse, he needs to lose his office.

Time to make officers who engage in such behavior personally responsible! There would be a LOT less of this if the taxpayers stopped being the ones to cover the lawsuit settlements.


16 posted on 06/21/2012 3:20:02 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition
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To: Balding_Eagle
but we’ve passed the point in the last few years where these roving gangs driving police cars and operating under the color of law are our friends

Yeah, I'm amazed at my change of opinion on cops. Before, say, 2000, I was an admirer. Now, I expect trouble whenever I encounter one (which, thankfully, is very rare.)

It's to the point that when my neighbor's kid told me last year that he intends to become a state trooper, I couldn't help but think he must be psychologically-disturbed.

We're in a bad way with this nazi-wannabe-cop thing.

17 posted on 06/21/2012 3:21:48 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: stickandpucknut

Hey, didn’t I see someone of your - pick one of Nationality, race, hair color, height - doing something bad here last year? Give me your camera, I”m going to use it as evidence. Oh you don’t want to give me your camera? How about I arrest you for Jay walking.

Yeah, that seems fair and justified to me *rolls-eyes*

It was wrong, and you know it.


18 posted on 06/21/2012 4:03:04 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: marktwain

The deputy demanded the man’s property to indict others and possibly the rider himself. When the rider rightfully refused, the cop then made up false charges, began seizing the man’s more valuable property and started arresting the officer.
We need to stop letting gang bangers and dumbed down standards for minorities into the police academy and open it up to our veterans. We need to get the jack booted thugs and those who ignore corruption out and good men and women in.


19 posted on 06/21/2012 4:03:15 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: marktwain

An arrest for a minor equipment violation?

Usually the LEO writes a ticket and you’re good to go.

Then you mail the fine in or show up in court.

But an arrest and vehicle impoundment?


20 posted on 06/21/2012 4:11:33 PM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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To: marktwain

Not at all justified. But these punks shut down a major highway last year to do stunts so the cops were extra sensitive that weekend. Bad move on the cop’s part. There are other ways to stop these types of riders from being morons.


21 posted on 06/21/2012 4:14:00 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: Iron Munro
An arrest for a minor equipment violation?

Much would depend if you had an out of state plate. Even then, you would normally be given the option of posting the entire amount of the fine as bail, and would then be let go.

22 posted on 06/21/2012 4:15:43 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

If his plate was concealed, he should have just left them in his dust.It didn’t say what he was riding, but a lot of the Jap bikes have a plate placement that is unreadable.No way a cop in a car is going to catch one if they run


23 posted on 06/21/2012 4:18:18 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Figment

If his plate was concealed, he should have just left them in his dust.It didn’t say what he was riding, but a lot of the Jap bikes have a plate placement that is unreadable.No way a cop in a car is going to catch one if they run

I wouldn’t be too sure. It depends on what size it is. 650 or 750 yes, but a 1100 or bigger no way in hell. For the hell of it, I out ran my brother on my Vrod - 1130cc, both of us were shocked at just how fast that thing is.


24 posted on 06/21/2012 4:43:08 PM PDT by Cyclone59 (Obama is like Ron Burgundy - he will read ANYTHING that is on the teleprompter)
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To: Figment

Not from the factory they don’t. I live in Dallas and ride primarily Japanese bikes and all of them came with the license plate clearly visible below and/or behind the taillight per the DOT and import regs, often mounted to a rear fender or splash guard. Those bikes you see with the hard to see plate mounting location have had a ‘fender relocation kit’ or ‘fender eliminator installed. They definitely didn’t come like that from the factory or the dealer.

By the way, right or wrong, the cops do have the legal option to not issue you a citation and to take you to jail instead, with your vehicle impounded pending investigation or simply to take it into custody. It is legal.


25 posted on 06/21/2012 4:43:31 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

This was Dallas County Sheriff’s Department, not Dallas Police. DPD would have at least made sure to pull everyone over together then sort everything out. They know better than to single out one guy.

Dallas County SD isn’t so smart. And the elected sheriff is an openly lesbian Latina Democrat who has problems getting her jail to pass inspection despite tons of money being thrown at it. And Miz Lupe Valdez is up for re-election soon. Imagine that.


26 posted on 06/21/2012 4:54:44 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

This was Dallas County Sheriff’s Department, not Dallas Police. DPD would have at least made sure to pull everyone over together then sort everything out. They know better than to single out one guy.

Dallas County SD isn’t so smart. And the elected sheriff is an openly lesbian Latina Democrat who has problems getting her jail to pass inspection despite tons of money being thrown at it. And Miz Lupe Valdez is up for re-election soon. Imagine that.


27 posted on 06/21/2012 4:56:11 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: bikerman; USMCPOP; Entrepreneur

I recently had my bike impounded by DPD in the aftermath of an accident in which I was taken to hospital. While some of the staff at the pound were less than friendly, many of them were helpful. When I returned to claim my bike, there was no damage to it other than what had been done in the accident (minor, and I keep crash bars on it) and they had carefully parked it (and the other bikes I saw near it) so that it would not be damaged by other vehicles around it. It did not disappear, get seized, auctioned off, or anything else.

Mind, DPD has a lot of flaws and problems, but when they do get things right, they don’t deserve to be shellacked for it. (DCSD uses the DPD impound yard.)


28 posted on 06/21/2012 5:01:36 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr
Fastest thing in Dallas county was Amon Carter Jr on a bicycle, headed back to Tarrant County.

MEPS and the old FCC office were in Dallas, so that's my excuse for going into the county.

Corrupt. Just like most large city/county governments. Think John Wiley Price.

/johnny

30 posted on 06/21/2012 7:12:56 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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You mean the same JWP that’s gotten busted and is under indictment now? We’re having some success in flushing the place out - once Laura Miller was gone, for example, DPD was able to stop having those “show of force/rolling roadblocks” on 75.


31 posted on 06/21/2012 7:24:08 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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You mean the same JWP that’s gotten busted and is under indictment now? We’re having some success in flushing the place out - once Laura Miller was gone, for example, DPD was able to stop having those “show of force/rolling roadblocks” on 75.


32 posted on 06/21/2012 7:24:23 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr
I got invited to be a slaveintern cook at one of Miller's events (a re-election if I recall) when I was in culinary school.

I told the Chef Instructor that had proudly invited me that I'd rather (redacted) and blew cigar smoke in his face.

Frigging (redacted).

I don't think much of Dallas county or the city itself. Surrounding areas vary.

/johnny

33 posted on 06/21/2012 7:33:18 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: tbw2

I wouldn’t say those charges are automatically false - I know of this group of idiots and the guy’s bike was probably a rolling exhibit of probable cause. I want to see the dash camera from that cop car to see what the bike looked like.

This officer screwed up and stomped on the biker’s civil liberties to start, I won’t argue that one. But he could have done the same thing, legally, by just changing the order of operations - he should have arrested the guy for the equipment violations then searched the rest including the contents of the camera as incident to taking into custody and impoundment.


34 posted on 06/21/2012 9:41:17 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: stockpirate

I agree...the cops are govt workers...just like the military...in the end, if times are bad,they’ll follow their paychecks and relish the power trip....


35 posted on 06/21/2012 10:29:40 PM PDT by cherry
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By the way, here’s the dashcam from another unit involved in the incident though not the actual arrest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_bFKtx42AM&feature=player_embedded#!


36 posted on 06/22/2012 11:17:59 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: marktwain

Next year they need to pre-position some fire hoses and blast them as they go past. That would clean things up.


37 posted on 06/24/2012 5:31:38 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: stickandpucknut

“these bikers are a saftey hazard.Last year shut down central expressway.With over hundred so called bikers spray painted crap on hiway,were doing stunts and stupid craqp.DPD is justified in the actions.IMO”

This biker was there last year?

He was breaking what law this year?

Oh, wait, no evidence he was there last year and broke no law this year. He was just a biker.


38 posted on 06/25/2012 9:20:42 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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