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Fast and Furious Todays Qs for Os WH
abc ^ | 6/21/12 | Jake Tapper

Posted on 06/21/2012 4:41:42 PM PDT by Nachum

TAPPER: The documents being blocked through executive privilege, are any of them to or from individuals in the White House, or are they all internal DOJ documents?

CARNEY: I don’t have a way to characterize the documents in question here. I can tell you that long ago the administration provided documentation about specific questions regarding officials at the White House and the national security staff. That was a long time ago, again — and which speaks to — it was last fall — speaks to how prolonged this political investigation has been ongoing.

The point I made earlier is that this is an assertion based on the absolute need for this president, as the steward of the executive branch — not just for his administration but for every administration going forward — to retain the separation of powers, to protect the capacity of the executive branch, to deliberate on these matters and to work independently and appropriately in response to these kind of inquires.

The issue here has been the operation known as Fast and Furious. And that operation is being thoroughly investigated by the inspector general, who has access to all these documents, including the ones that you’re asking about. And when it comes to the operation itself, everything has been provided to congressional investigators. And that is really the issues, isn’t it? It is, how did this operation come about? It originated in a field office during the previous administration. It was ended under this administration by this attorney general.

TAPPER: It began in fall 2009. The Operation Fast and Furious began –

CARNEY: The tactic began in the previous administration.

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KEYWORDS: 2deadfeds; 300deadmexicans; atf; banglist; brianterry; dea; dhs; doj; fast; fastandfurious; fbi; furious; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; jaimezapata; jaketapper; murdergate; obama; terry; zapata
The tactic may have began in the previous administration, but the murders began with yours
1 posted on 06/21/2012 4:41:53 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


2 posted on 06/21/2012 4:45:15 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

I really hate these people. Eighteen months they’ve been stonewalling this investigation and now they claimm executive privilege and then the next day after that they blame Bush.

If it was Bush’s fault then where are the documents to PROVE that? And if was Bush’s fault why haven’t we heard that before THIS WEEK?


3 posted on 06/21/2012 4:50:20 PM PDT by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: Nachum

“That was a long time ago, again — and which speaks to — it was last fall — speaks to how prolonged this political investigation has been ongoing. “

It has been holder’s CHOICE to prolong this investigation where the doj LIED and people DIED.


4 posted on 06/21/2012 4:54:06 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Nachum

SO carny is saying that GWB is responsible for Terry’s death??


5 posted on 06/21/2012 4:54:12 PM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: Nachum

If it really was Bush’s fault they would have given over every single document they had, that showed that to be true


6 posted on 06/21/2012 4:59:57 PM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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To: Nachum

If it really was Bush’s fault they would have given over every single document they had, that showed that to be true


7 posted on 06/21/2012 5:00:11 PM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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To: Nachum

“I didn’t do it, no one saw me do it, there’s no way you can prove anything!” - Bart Simpson

“I didn’t do it, no one saw me do it, there’s no way you can prove anything! Bush did it first.” - Barry Obama


8 posted on 06/21/2012 5:19:41 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: Nachum
The tactic may have began in the previous administration, but the murders began with yours

As Obama was so fond of saying when he was a senator.
"If it happens on your watch it is your responsibility."

9 posted on 06/21/2012 5:20:35 PM PDT by oldbrowser (Blue state sickness must not be rewarded)
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To: Nachum

“...speaks to how prolonged this political investigation has been ongoing.”

Since when is a criminal investigation referred to as a “political investigation”?

Oh yeah, this is the owebama regime.


10 posted on 06/21/2012 5:34:09 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Nachum

They are in such a panic they can’t even get their talking points in sync. Some are saying the investigation has been dragging on, others are saying they Republicans haven’t given the lying Democrats enough time to produce the documents.


11 posted on 06/21/2012 5:48:48 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: Nachum

Tapper is pretty fair as journalists go.


12 posted on 06/21/2012 6:06:29 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Mr. K
bingo...
13 posted on 06/21/2012 6:12:10 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Nachum

MURDERGATE

"Gun Control Under The Radar."


14 posted on 06/21/2012 7:04:50 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: All

15 posted on 06/21/2012 7:10:20 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: MeganC

I really hate these people.
ya i hate them too, but my problem is i hate3 ALL demonrats
i mean every single one.


16 posted on 06/21/2012 10:10:40 PM PDT by genghis
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To: Nachum

the tactic in the previous administration was called Wide Receiver,It started in 2006 and ended in 2007.The plan was to have the Mexican government tract the weapons once on their soil.the Mexican government DID NOT FOLLOW THRU ON THEIR END,[incompetence or corruption?]Thus the operation was shut down in 2007. then fast and furious started in 2009 with the Mexican government out of the loop,just guns flowing into Mexico.WHY??????????


17 posted on 06/22/2012 2:17:54 AM PDT by rpkgolf
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To: rpkgolf

Yes, Wide Receiver was shut down in 2007. As a matter of fact, one of the memo’s FROM THE ATF that I read, somewhere, stated “There is NO ‘iron pipeline’ from the US into Mexico.” It also used instances where immigrants (legal or otherwise) may have sent Uncle Jose a pump shotgun home to Mexico to hunt birds or a pistol was sent to Tia Maria to protect her home, but this was not considered illegal trafficking.


18 posted on 06/22/2012 2:34:35 AM PDT by Safetgiver
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To: Nachum

During The Bush Administration we are Talking 200 weapons ALL OF WHICH had Tracking Devices on them and The Mexicam Authorities KNEW OF AND WERE TRACKING! That is not even in the ballpark of the Lying Scumbags who decided to Flood Mexico with thousands of weapons NONE of which were tracked and the Mexican Authorities were NOT ADVISED of their existence,and The Bush administration was not like the Hildabeast and Napolitano and the Justice dept screaming how 90 percent of the gun crimes in Mexico were because of American Gun Dealers selling guns to Mexico. Napolitano is on Tape on C-Span in 2009 stating how they are trying to find out who is selling guns to Mexico,well if Bush was doing it, why didnt she say it was Bush then if it was started under Bush? If she wants to Know who was selling Guns to Mexico she should Look in the Mirror,Imagine if all the Precious People Known as The Latino Vote knew that their Precious Sugar Daddy was selling Guns to Grease their fellow Countrymen in Mexico. Maybe some Super PAC may want to invest in an ad explaining that


19 posted on 06/22/2012 4:02:41 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: Nachum
CARNEY: The tactic began in the previous administration.

That is a bald-faced lie contradicted by ATF field agents in sworn testimony.

The Department of Justice ’ s Operation Fast and Furious: Accounts of ATF Agents

(above) Four ATF field agents testify under oath that they "never even heard of intentionally letting guns "walk" before F&F."

‘Wide Receiver’ CI: ‘It had nothing to do with Bush or even DOJ’

New Documents Highlight Differences in Bush-Era, Obama-Era Gunrunner Investigations

Operation Wide Receiver vs. Operation Fast and Furious

Mexico's Gun Supply and the 90 Percent Myth

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The Department of Justice ’ s Operation Fast and Furious: Accounts of ATF Agents

Agent Casa recounted a similar situation. He had also never heard of, nor seen, guns being allowed to walk until he got to Phoenix:

. . . . But from the time I started as an ATF special agent . . . up until the time I got to Phoenix, that was my understanding, that we do not let guns walk, absolutely, positively not. And if we –if ever a case [where]we would do that, there better be a really good explanation why we did not grab that gun when we could.

Q. But that changed when you came to Phoenix, I mean the practice at least changed, correct?

A. Yes.

(snip)

As Agent Dodson testified:

Q. Based on our training and experience, what did you think about [walking guns]?

A. It was something I had never done before, sir. And quite frankly, I took great issue with it and concern.I felt like I understand the importance of going after the bigger target, but there is a way to do that. We did it successfully in the dope world all the time. And those skills and practices that we used there, a lot of them transfer over, and more than applicable in gun trafficking investigations, but we weren’t allowed to use any of them.

Q. And did you ever have a recollection of sharing your frustration with Special Agent Casa?

A. Oh, yes, sir.

Q. And any other special agents that you can –

A. Yes, sir.

Q. And maybe you could just tell us what other agents you –

A. Pretty much everyone, sir. It was, I shared my reservations and concerns with Special Agent [L], with Dave Voth, with Special Agent [D]Special Agent [H], Special Agent Alt, Special Agent [P], several of the special agents that came on the GRIT, G-R-I-T. The gunrunner initiative is what it stands for. I shared them with or I voiced my concerns to other agents inside the Phoenix field division that was on other groups.

(snip)

Despite this e-mail, agents continued to experience dismay and frustration as Operation Fast and Furious continued along its perilous path. As Agent Casa testified:

Q. And is it fair to say that. . .the folks on your side of the schism wanted to do everything they could to interdict these weapons so they wouldn’t get any farther down the street than they have to?

A. Yes, sir. We were all sick to death when we realized that –when we realized what was going on or when we saw what was going on by the trends. We were all just, yes, we were all distraught.

The rift widened when the Assistant Special Agent in Charge (ASAC) authoritatively and unambiguously told Group VII that guns were not being walked, that the special agents were incorrect in their terminology, and that there would be no more discussion or dissension about this topic. Agent Dodson testified:

A. Then we get an e-mail that . . . there is going to be a meeting. [the ASAC] is coming down, [the ASAC] comes into the Group 7 office and tells us essentially we better stand down with our complaints, that we didn’t know what the definition of walking guns was, we weren’t familiar with the Phoenix way of doing things, that all of this was sanctioned and we just needed to essentially shut up and get in line. That’s not a quote, but that’s the feel of the meeting, so . . .


20 posted on 06/22/2012 9:40:01 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: ballplayer
Napolitano is on Tape on C-Span in 2009 stating how they are trying to find out who is selling guns to Mexico,well if Bush was doing it, why didnt she say it was Bush then if it was started under Bush?

Isn't it amazing that the left, while blaming Bush, is not screaming for prosecutions of Bush and members of his administration? They did for every imaginary crime they could concoct while he was in office.

Isn't it interesting that they never mention that Wide Receiver was shut down in 2007? So, how did it carry over into 0baMao's regime when it was shut down two years before Jug Ears took office?

21 posted on 06/22/2012 9:53:27 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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