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The Fast And Furious Scandal Is Turning Into President Obama's Watergate [Woodward and Bernstein?]
Telegraph(UK) ^ | June 21, 2012

Posted on 06/21/2012 5:53:20 PM PDT by Steelfish

The Fast And Furious Scandal Is Turning Into President Obama's Watergate

Tim Stanley June 21.

Obama is repeating many of the mistakes that led to Nixon's resignation in 1974

Fast and furious hasn’t been discussed a lot in the mainstream media, which is why the facts can seem so preposterous when you read them for the first time. But the story is slowly unraveling and the public is catching up with the madness. On Wednesday, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee voted to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt over his decision to withhold documents related to the “gun walking” operation – documents that President Obama tried to keep secret by invoking executive privilege.

The question of why the Prez intervened in this way will surely hang over the investigation and the White House for many months to come. Be patient, conservatives. It took nearly eight months for the Watergate break in to become a national news story. But when it finally did, it toppled a President.

Here’s what Fast and Furious is all about – and for the uninitiated, be prepared for a shock. In 2009, the US government instructed Arizona gun sellers illegally to sell arms to suspected criminals. Agents working for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) were then ordered not to stop the sales but to allow the arms to “walk” across the border into the arms of Mexican drug-traffickers. According to the Oversight Committee’s report, “The purpose was to wait and watch, in hope that law enforcement could identify other members of a trafficking network and build a large, complex conspiracy case…. [The ATF] initially began using the new gun-walking tactics in one of its investigations to further the Department’s strategy. The case was soon renamed ‘Operation Fast and Furious.”

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2deadfeds; 300deadmexicans; atf; banglist; brianterry; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; jaimezapata; murder; murdergate; obama; perjury; terry; zapata
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1 posted on 06/21/2012 5:53:25 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
The Fast And Furious Scandal Is Turning Into President Obama's Watergate

It's worse. Nobody got killed during Watergate.

2 posted on 06/21/2012 5:56:44 PM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: Steelfish

stupid is as stupid does..those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it...will it be lamp posts, guillotine or escape to Africa?


3 posted on 06/21/2012 5:56:57 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Steelfish

Nobody DIED in Watergate!!!


4 posted on 06/21/2012 5:57:43 PM PDT by CMailBag
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To: Steelfish

It will be stonewalled till after the election

God save us


5 posted on 06/21/2012 5:59:31 PM PDT by Harold Shea (RVN `70 - `71)
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To: Drew68

Exactly. Its B and E vs murder. This should be called the murdergate scandal.


6 posted on 06/21/2012 5:59:44 PM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: Steelfish

won’t happen unless the clinton’s make some big promises to somebody.


7 posted on 06/21/2012 6:00:04 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: Steelfish

It couldn’t turn into Obama’s Watergate, because Watergate was essentially kept alive by the media. There will be no Woodward and Bernstein here because absolutely no media figure is interested in following up on Obama’s misdeeds, lies or even criminal acts.


8 posted on 06/21/2012 6:02:22 PM PDT by livius
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To: Steelfish

The US press corpse was too busy covering the 40th anniversary of Watergate to bother devoting coverage to Fast and Furious.

They are now trying to spin it as Bush’s scandal. Except if it was Bush’s fault, they would have covered it extensively long ago. Instead they suppressed coverage.


9 posted on 06/21/2012 6:02:37 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The media ignored the 40th anniversary of Bill Ayers' Pentagon bombing but not Watergate. Ask Why.)
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To: Steelfish

The problem here is that the press never liked Nixon.
This will go nowhere.

I hope I am wrong...


10 posted on 06/21/2012 6:02:51 PM PDT by Paisan
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To: Steelfish; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; ...

The Terry Family on hannity now...


11 posted on 06/21/2012 6:03:24 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Steelfish
It's just treason, insurrection and murder of US LEOs and Mexican Nationals.
12 posted on 06/21/2012 6:04:21 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Steelfish
hillary is neck deep in the Honduras F&F, if prevailing opinions are correct. Even Napoleon had his Watergate. zer0 and his crowd now have theirs. As the lamestream seeks to ignore the facts ... regrettably ... more people are likely to die due to F&F.
13 posted on 06/21/2012 6:05:29 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: CMailBag

In my opinion, Mrs.Hunt was a victim of Watergate; I don’t have any idea who killed her though.


14 posted on 06/21/2012 6:05:52 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: a fool in paradise
The US press corpse...

You got that right!

15 posted on 06/21/2012 6:06:29 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Steelfish

>>>It’s important to note that the Bush administration oversaw something similar to Fast and Furious. Called Operation Wide Receiver, it used the common tactic of “controlled delivery,” whereby agents would allow an illegal transaction to take place, closely follow the movements of the arms, and then descend on the culprits>>>

A bit different than what the democrats are saying about Bush, huh?


16 posted on 06/21/2012 6:06:53 PM PDT by kitkat (Obama, ROPE and CHAINS.)
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To: Harold Shea

Nixon tried to stonewall too - then again the press wasn’t trying to help Nixon... the ‘doting court eunuchs’ of the MSM have outdone themselves on this one. Shame on them...


17 posted on 06/21/2012 6:06:53 PM PDT by GOPJ (The 'doting court eunuchs' of the MSM fail to notice...)
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To: Steelfish

Murdergate!


18 posted on 06/21/2012 6:07:20 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Steelfish

Only republicans get prosecuted, card carrying democrats get a free pass from their socialist party counterparts in the press.


19 posted on 06/21/2012 6:07:47 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Drew68

Like Watergate, actions that matter won’t happen until after the kenyan is re-elected. Chasing that spurious Executive Privilege call through the court will delay things for a year. If the Republican statist wins it will all be forgotten immediately and some of the perps will lose their government jobs, but only some.The romney will retain as much of the kenyan hires as he can except those positions he has to promise to supporters before the election. That does not stem from my anti romney animosities though those certainly exist. That has been Republican practice from wa-a-a-ay back. Even Reagan retained far too much of the Carter bureaucracy. That results in a lone Republican president whose implacable opposition is his own bureaucracy, especially the State Department. Democrats understand these things better and clean house in the bureaucracy and especially in the Military.


20 posted on 06/21/2012 6:17:32 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: rolling_stone

If the kenyan can get past the election de to his delaying anything substantive from Congress then it will likely play out rather differently than Watergate. If the Soros vote counters manage to re-elect him he will move quickly to make irrelevant Congress and the courts entirely.


21 posted on 06/21/2012 6:21:37 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: Drew68

It’s much worse for Obama than just a cover up for Holder. The Obama administration held a press conference in April of ‘09, led by Gibbs that announced the creation of a program to end the assault weapons from passing across the border. Napolitano spoke at length about the new program and Obama’s part in it. She said that the new program would be called, Gun Runner and that it would be directed by the Justice Dept, but would include Homeland Security and the ATF.

Fast and Furious was but one part of the Operation Gun Runner. There were two other locations under different names, one in Texas, and one in Florida.

Operation Gun Runner grew out of Obama’s promise to Calderon to get rid of assault weapons. Obama was in on the creation of this plot. It’s his own crime that he is covering up, not just Holder’s.


22 posted on 06/21/2012 6:22:07 PM PDT by Eva
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To: rolling_stone

If the kenyan can get past the election due to his delaying anything substantive from Congress then it will likely play out rather differently than Watergate. If the Soros vote counters manage to re-elect him he will move quickly to make irrelevant Congress and the courts entirely.


23 posted on 06/21/2012 6:22:27 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: rolling_stone

Escape.


24 posted on 06/21/2012 6:24:25 PM PDT by tillacum
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To: Steelfish

There was NO planning or funding for the tracing. The ONE case in which there was actual tracing involved a field agent of the lowest rank going “off the reservation” and into a RADIO SHACK, where he used his OWN MONEY to buy a GPS thang. And in desperation he personally inserted it into one of the guns.

It went dark after 14 hours or so, deep in Mexico.

The scandal also involves GRENADES. And a casino getting burned down, with 20 Mexicans stacked up in the bathroom, dying for fresh air. And a helicopter getting shot down with a US Barrett.

And other stuff.


25 posted on 06/21/2012 6:24:39 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Steelfish
As usual... the only English speaking Journalism is in the news papers of the British press. Unreal... just unreal. I read the foreign press before I read the US media. All of my life I believed in the press... honored them and respected them as the truth keepers... until cronkite’s truth came out. They are the lowest form of life... below lawyers... below the dims themselves... for they are of pure evil and the lie is their passion.

LLS

26 posted on 06/21/2012 6:24:53 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: Steelfish; a fool in paradise; JoeProBono; Slings and Arrows
[Woodward and Bernstein?]

Redford and Hoffman!

27 posted on 06/21/2012 6:25:16 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: the invisib1e hand

>>>won’t happen unless the clinton’s make some big promises to somebody.>>>

Agreed.


28 posted on 06/21/2012 6:27:42 PM PDT by kitkat (Obama, ROPE and CHAINS.)
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To: Steelfish

Nice clear summary - better than most US outlets


29 posted on 06/21/2012 6:29:05 PM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: Steelfish

Here again we see it —having to go to a BRITISH paper for honest coverage about the USA.

When was the last prominent time that happened?

During the MONICA MESS, when at Drudge and FR the scandal was known in lucid detail for over 10 months with NO coverage in the Legacy Press —NONE.

Brit papers picked it up, and Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, and later the US Enquirer and WND.

All after Drudge, and then FR. There are two reporting dimensions, each operating next to one another.


30 posted on 06/21/2012 6:31:11 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: HerrBlucher
Exactly. Its B and E vs murder. This should be called the murdergate scandal

Yep. And every time the libs try and tell us, "This is exactly Watergate here." we need to remind them, "You're right, it isn't Watergate. People are dead."

31 posted on 06/21/2012 6:33:06 PM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: HerrBlucher
>"murdergate"

At least BP Agent Terry died relatively quickly. The women and children at Waco didn't fare nearly as well.

32 posted on 06/21/2012 6:33:33 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Steelfish

FOX showed a copy of one of the documents DOJ turned over to congress. It was totally redacted (blacked out). Many of the documents turned over are similar.


33 posted on 06/21/2012 6:34:41 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: rawcatslyentist
The women and children at Waco didn't fare nearly as well.

And Eric "the Red" Holder was involved in that too.

34 posted on 06/21/2012 6:36:01 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Drew68
Just don't let the Dems whine about 'nothing getting done' or 'wasting the taxpayer's money' or 'election year stunt'. The Dems sure didn't worry about such things during Watergate, and it was a tough economic time then, too (Nixon imposed wage and price controls to try to rein in inflation).

The problem is, the Dems had the "news" media on their side, as they do now. Just as NBC has blacked out coverage of F&F, I'm sure the alphabet networks (or the Talking Points distribution syndicate.... whatever) will not provide a media circus of daily televised Congressional meetings where they trot up a long line of White House officials to grill them in front of the cameras. It would be Dems testifying before Repubs, after all.

Stick with it, don't back down, and screw the "news" media. We now have the internet - use it.

35 posted on 06/21/2012 6:39:00 PM PDT by jeffc (Prayer. It's freedom of speech.)
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To: gaijin

alot of info in that post there....if I dig through all the FReep articles on this will I find it here?

I’d like to post that info on Twitter.


36 posted on 06/21/2012 6:40:44 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Steelfish

Good summary of the operation. Too bad this will go nowhere.


37 posted on 06/21/2012 6:41:02 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Drew68

38 posted on 06/21/2012 6:44:44 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: Drew68
IMPEACH THE KENYAN PR*CK NOW!!!!!

If this does not fall into the "high crimes and MISDEMEANORS category, then what does?

Or are we being racist and just picking on THE KENYAN PR*CK?


39 posted on 06/21/2012 6:47:36 PM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; one box left.)
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To: Steelfish
Very arrogant group of people. Holder should resign. It seems he believes his own lies. Contempt of Congress...contempt for the American people and the country.
40 posted on 06/21/2012 6:50:39 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: Scotswife

Yup, you will find ALL that info referenced here, and links on the web. But that’s not all:

They’re banding around the number of Mexican dead at 200, or 500. How do they get 500? Here’s now:

There maaany murders down there, sure, but when there’s one in which a US weapon IS RECOVERED, then that murder(s) go into the 500 figure.

But do we really think in every case the murderers are throwing down their US weapons at the scene? No. In many cases they are retained for subsequent Mexican murder use. So the number 500 is not really accurate —it’s probably substantially higher, and that question did come up.

You’ll find online that they arrested the son of the Sinaloa Cartel and extradited him to Chicago —he’s on trial up there (he has some weird name, I seem to recall). And they asked him how many murders with US F&F weapons did he think had gone down and HE (the son of the head of the Sinaloa Cartel) said that it’s more like THOUSANDS.

Now...I will not guarantee that number, I just have a very good feeling that it’s well over 500.

Might the full scandal also touch Republicans? Hey, ya know what? I DON’T CARE.

BRING DOWN ALLLL THE GUILTY.


41 posted on 06/21/2012 6:51:14 PM PDT by gaijin
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One of the best smackdowns to a liberal I've seen in the comments sections ever!



42 posted on 06/21/2012 6:57:50 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: gaijin

How did they know about the, “no Sinaloa busts in return for intel about other cartel loads”-secret agreement? Cuz Sinaloa sonny boy was in trouble in Chicago, and that was part of his legal defense:

“Hey maybe I WAS exporting drugs to the USA on a massive scale, sure, but YOU GUYS PERMITTED ME TO...”

Cuz as son of the Sinaloa Cartel leader he was privvy to all the inside dope (if you will) and knew of the agreement. So it makes perfect sense that upon his extradition and prosecution that he would make use of that important legal tool.

He also said the agreement was so detailed that they had a DEA point of contact that would contact them EVERY time they had US assets in the vicinity of Sinaloa narco operations.

There was a US legal .pdf online that was like 50 pages, and it has amazing stuff —it was the actual deposition, or something.

It read like a spy novel —it was mind-blowing stuff. It might still be out there.


43 posted on 06/21/2012 6:59:04 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Harold Shea

The MSM will try, but once something gets this hot, they can’t ignore it.


44 posted on 06/21/2012 7:00:10 PM PDT by altura
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To: Steelfish; a fool in paradise

I wish we could impeach him now, but there is that unwritten clause in the Affirmative Action law that prevents it.


45 posted on 06/21/2012 7:01:34 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Harold Shea
It will be stonewalled till after the election

Ok, here the mother of all questions. I'm not afraid to admit that I'm stupid on some issues.

Let's say it does get stonewalled till after the elections. Let's say the investigation slows down to a crawl from now until after the elections and let's say Obama loses in November.

If Obama loses in November, where does this issue go?

Are the Fast and Furious investigations history and all is forgotten or do they continue?

If the results of the investigation turn out to be very bad for Eric Holder, would it be better for it to turn out bad for Eric Holder during Obama's first administration or under a new Republican administration?

And the same question goes for Obama (if it turns out very bad for him).

46 posted on 06/21/2012 7:02:21 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: tsowellfan

Excellent questions. Ask Scooter Libby and Ollie North and G Gordon Liddy.


47 posted on 06/21/2012 7:05:53 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: ex91B10

I don’t want him impeached. I want him voted out.

I’m afraid an impeachment would make it more likely the dems could win.

They’re probably play the Hillary card and some people think Bill and Hil are just so cool now.

Had a guy on another thread say he’d rather vote for Clinton than Romney. I gently reminded him that Clinton is a rapist, but he didn’t care.


48 posted on 06/21/2012 7:06:10 PM PDT by altura
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To: sam_paine

Thanks Sam for posting this. This post is right on the money quote of people died, so why do liberals not care? The author of the post (posted) gives better than any thoughts have seen myself. It is great people are waking up people with the truth. Once more, my thanks.


49 posted on 06/21/2012 7:10:15 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: tsowellfan

“If Obama loses in November, where does this issue go?”

Into the crapper! Boner really wants no part of this. Getting rid of the FUBO Admin is the absolute best we, as citizens can expect, because enough morons in Ohio keep electing Boner, and some other morons in other states also keep electing other “establishment Republicans” who are devoid of any testicle, or patriotism!


50 posted on 06/21/2012 7:13:51 PM PDT by vette6387
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