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Report: Brian Terry Murder Suspect An FBI Informant
AZPUNDIT ^ | December 2, 2011 | Henry D'Andrea

Posted on 06/22/2012 11:21:13 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

A new exclusive report from PJ Media reports that the suspect in the death of Border Patrol agent, Brian Terry, may be an FBI informant.

Brian Terry was killed as a direct result of the Obama/Holder botched Operation Fast and Furious.

PJ Media reported:
In the growing Fast and Furious scandal, Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry’s death in Peck Canyon, Arizona was previously described as a chance meeting that led to a firefight: an illegal alien “rip crew” working for the Sinaloa cartel was hoping to find other illegal aliens and to rob them at gunpoint. Instead, they stumbled across a Border Patrol unit and murdered Agent Terry.

Last week, the Washington Times offered a new version of the encounter: they reported that the rip crew was not hunting illegals, but Border Patrol teams – with the intention of engaging them in combat.

Sources now tell PJ Media that neither version of events is accurate: the rip crew was not waiting for a chance encounter with other illegals, nor did the members intend to engage American law enforcement agents.

The rip crew was in Peck Canyon that evening with the intention of stealing money and drugs from a specific shipment of which they had prior knowledge.

Sources claim the Department of Justice has been trying for almost a year to hide the key information – how the rip crew knew the shipment was coming through that night.

Criminal informants (CIs) are a common tool of law enforcement agencies. When agencies apprehend criminals, agencies often reduce or drop charges in exchange for information leading to the arrests of higher-ranking criminals. Earlier this year, reports claimed that Operation Fast and Furious weapons smuggled over the border were actually chosen by an FBI informant, and..

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agentterry; fast; fbi; furious
This article is from late last year but since then 'Fast & Furious' has become convoluted and difficult to follow. This article paints a clear and concise picture of the circumstances surrounding Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry's death. There are many 'what and how it happened' questions answered here..

Could it be that the 'executive privilege' recently invoked by Obama is to conceal the fact that Criminal Informants (CI's), or individuals contracted to work for our government were indeed the ones responsible for Agent Terry's death?

Initially, two weapons at the scene were identified as F&F weapons.. Now it's three weapons. Why did our government wait so long to disclose that this third weapon was an F&F weapon? Perhaps because it was the FBI informant's weapon and that's literally the smoking gun that's being covered-up here?

1 posted on 06/22/2012 11:21:24 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Are they going to try and pin this on Whitey Bulger?


2 posted on 06/22/2012 11:25:12 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Why was Iran Contra a big deal in the media and with the Dims when this isn’t? (rhetorical question)


3 posted on 06/22/2012 11:26:42 AM PDT by llevrok (2012 : Elect Adults)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Think about this:

Unless the firearm is left at the scene, there is no way to trace a murder to one of the straw-purchased weapons.

To date, I believe the ATF has not revealed how many of the thousands of Fast & Furious firearms have been traced to crime scenes.

If the intent was to gin-up the number of traced weapons left at Mexican crime scenes, there would have to be an agreement that the US Gov’t would provide the financing in exchange for the firearm to be dropped at a crime scene.


4 posted on 06/22/2012 11:33:31 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

U.S. Mexico Border Security Policy(2009 News Conference Fast and Furious)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2898337/posts
See Robert Gibbs, David Ogden, Janet Napolitano, and Jim Steinberg explain their policy in their own words.
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/284798-4


5 posted on 06/22/2012 11:33:46 AM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

At another news conference that day, the ‘efforts to assist Mexico’ part starts at about 25 minutes;
Presidential News Conference
Mar 24, 2009
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/PresidentialNewsConference87

He then answered questions on a number of topics including the economy, efforts to assist Mexico in combatting drug cartels, international monetary policy, tax policy, stem cell research, and the Middle East peace process.


6 posted on 06/22/2012 11:35:01 AM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Another piece of the puzzle...

May be why, on Hannity, Terry’s dad said the cover-up is bigger than we think, and that his son “wasn’t supposed to be there that night”. Any chance Terry was assassinated because he knew too much about Holder’s, and perhaps Obama’s, involvement in the operation?


7 posted on 06/22/2012 11:43:49 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
. . . the suspect in the death of Border Patrol agent, Brian Terry, may be an FBI informant.

Yikes! Those commas setting off the appositive makes it sound as if Brian Terry is the suspect.


8 posted on 06/22/2012 11:53:36 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (<a href="http://originalvelvetrevolution.com" title="Velvet Revolution">Velvet Revolution</a>)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Did this FBI Informant also play a round of Golf with Obama?


9 posted on 06/22/2012 12:00:41 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Will they find yet another head and decapitated corpse at the border? I don’t think the cartels would be very pleased about this. WTH?


10 posted on 06/22/2012 12:16:31 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Probably try to frame George Zimmerman for the murder...as it seems Obama/Sharpton/Gov Scott case against GZ is pretty much over


11 posted on 06/22/2012 12:27:59 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (When I said "close the borders", I did not mean the bookstore chain)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Here’s a thought: Maybe the admin set up the border patrol so they could have a sympathic victim to use against the 2nd Amendment. As in the shooters weren’t part of a crew looking to hit other drug dealers, they way was cleared and they were sent there specifically to kill the BP agents...


12 posted on 06/22/2012 12:30:49 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost; Nachum; thouworm; LucyT; radioone; bcsco; STARWISE; maggief; onyx

Interesting! The article makes more sense today with what we know, then it did when written.

Is this also what happened to Jamie Zapata? Were “Criminal Informants “ involved in his death for a similar reason?

Since the Zapata family has filed Wrongful Death suit, can EP deny materials in the discovery segment of tht case? Zapata was murderd in Mexico near Texas. Terry was actually IN AZ. Can the Terry family also file charges? Should they?


13 posted on 06/22/2012 12:38:17 PM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya.".. he's lying now or then?)
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To: piytar

I would not put anything past the ATF and Holder. What a murderous combination. The ATF has to go.


14 posted on 06/22/2012 12:39:21 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Erik Latranyi

Great point. Leaving the murder weapon at the scene seems to be an ongoing phenomenon with Fast & Furious weapons. They are INTENTIONALLY LEFT THERE to bolster the ‘weapons from America’ narrative. You are right and that MUST BE the reason for it.


15 posted on 06/22/2012 12:49:45 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

..and the infamous ‘third gun’ was a whoopsie because although left there intentionally, it implicates someone who was working FOR our gov’t.


16 posted on 06/22/2012 12:51:36 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Fast and Furious was stupid and people should be held accountable. However, as a staunch 2nd Amendment Supporter I can’t stomach the overblown and false statements list this one from the article -

“Brian Terry was killed as a direct result of the Obama/Holder botched Operation Fast and Furious.”

This would never have been true for 2nd Amendment folks before, so why is it now? Guns don’t kill people. People kill people using whatever is available. I dare anyone to suggest that Brian Terry would not have been killed if it had not been for Fast and Furious. The cartels have lots of guns and from what I understand there were about 2000 guns total that were walked. I bet the cartels have many many times that number of firearms.

Fast and Furious was stupid to the nth degree, but everyone who overplays the stupidity voids their logical reasoning to refute statements by Sharpton et al such as “if Ruger did not make firearms that murder would not have happened.”

A gun is a tool. It is a regulated commodity, but it is an inanimate object that requires the actions of a person to function. We need to hold those responsible for this stupid operation accountable to the fullest extent, but we also need to stop making statements that would have been crucified on this board, in the NRA boardroom, and around the dinner table 2 years ago as illogical and absurd.

Blaming a flawed operation for firearms being in Mexico is logically no different than blaming the manufacturer or retailer of the firearm. The illegal criminal turd shot Brian Terry by pulling the trigger on a firearm. There is nothing special about the firearm or the ammunition... it’s one of millions that exists in the world today.

Continued prayers for Brian’s family and those who serve us in the Border Patrol. I want them to get the answers. I want to know the truth as much as anyone else, but suggesting Fast and Furious killed Brian Terry is no different than Bloomberg blaming a murder on lax firearms laws in North Carolina.


17 posted on 06/22/2012 1:03:35 PM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids will pay for it!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Are they going to try and pin this on Whitey Bulger?

18 posted on 06/22/2012 1:04:26 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: volunbeer
Guns don’t kill people. People kill people using whatever is available.

Are you seriously this stupid?

Providing firearms to criminals is something no Second Amendment supporter would condone.

Obama and Holder provided firearms to the most viscious criminals in North America!

Please, you cannot be this stupid.

19 posted on 06/22/2012 1:12:25 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: volunbeer

I agree with your analysis of the misguided public’s perception and the false narrative about ‘guns kill’. However, the real story is the underlying possibility that Terry’s death might have been in inside job to cover up his awareness of the intent of F&F which was to get assault weapons banned in the United States.


20 posted on 06/22/2012 1:20:43 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
Great point. Leaving the murder weapon at the scene seems to be an ongoing phenomenon with Fast & Furious weapons. They are INTENTIONALLY LEFT THERE to bolster the ‘weapons from America’ narrative.

Which consequently leads us to wonder whether Jaime Zapata and Brian Terry were intended to serve as sacrificial lambs to further enhance the narrative - that not only civilians but also US agents' lives are put at risk under current US gun sale regulations.

21 posted on 06/22/2012 1:31:01 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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Report: Brian Terry Murder Suspect An FBI Informant

Interesting! The article makes more sense today with what we know, then it did when written.

Is this also what happened to Jamie Zapata? Were “Criminal Informants “ involved in his death for a similar reason?

Thanks, hoosiermama.

22 posted on 06/22/2012 1:33:07 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: BlatherNaut
Which consequently leads us to wonder whether Jaime Zapata and Brian Terry were intended to serve as sacrificial lambs to further enhance the narrative - that not only civilians but also US agents' lives are put at risk under current US gun sale regulations. >/I>

Therefore, is this weeks EP an attempt to hide the documentation proving the above. Will the "discovery" triggered by Zapata family "wrongful death" law suit be able to get past the EP?

23 posted on 06/22/2012 1:49:18 PM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya.".. he's lying now or then?)
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To: hoosiermama

a criminal case is much more likely to defeat EP than a civil case...


24 posted on 06/22/2012 2:04:54 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone

Zapata was murdered in Mexico. No criminal case there. Terry killed in AZ...any chance of criminal charges there.

FIVE just held up one of the papers released by Holder...Everything redacted on page but a part of a sentence.

Someone mentioned recently that an emergency order re; EP from the SCOTUS could open the records.


25 posted on 06/22/2012 2:13:31 PM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya.".. he's lying now or then?)
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To: volunbeer

um so fast and furious also had nothing to do with killing 300 innocent Mexicans in Mexico and untold others in the US?

I so sorry you can’t correlate the illegal actions by our govt agents with the results.

I feel assured if I sold a gun to someone who I knew to be a bad hombre with bad intentions, and they went out and killed a Democrat Judge or Congressman that I would be in jail for the rest of my life or worse, and I’m just a civilian. Law Enforcers of the gun laws not only knew better and had no excuse they planned to get the guns into the hands of narco-terrorists and knew they would be recovered at murder crime scenes-accomlices, CONSPIRATORS etc to premediated murder and an attempt to violate all Americans 2nd amendment right and illegally run/walk guns to Mexico (and who know where else?) There was no valid law enforcement mission, it was nothing but a gun grab set up..

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/25/us-crime-newmexico-gunrunning-idUSTRE77O7XG20110825


26 posted on 06/22/2012 2:14:38 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

That how they intended to TRACE/TRACK the weapons, finding them at the scene of the murder.


27 posted on 06/22/2012 2:24:52 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

I wouldn’t put anything past this evil administration.


28 posted on 06/22/2012 3:18:28 PM PDT by bgill
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost; bgill

Was Obama black mailed or convinced to make deal, with a directive to legalize and halting deportation of nearly 1 million Mexicans?

Then within days he uses executive privilege to bury documents again involving Mexico, in regards Fast and Furious Murdergate.

This seems rather odd.


29 posted on 06/22/2012 4:04:03 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: LucyT

Giving the bad guys guns can never have a good ending. Especially when the REALLY bad guys (holder, zer0, etc.) are involved.


30 posted on 06/22/2012 4:10:36 PM PDT by azishot
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To: Erik Latranyi
Think about this:
Unless the firearm is left at the scene, there is no way to trace a murder to one of the straw-purchased weapons. To date, I believe the ATF has not revealed how many of the thousands of Fast & Furious firearms have been traced to crime scenes. If the intent was to gin-up the number of traced weapons left at Mexican crime scenes, there would have to be an agreement that the US Gov’t would provide the financing in exchange for the firearm to be dropped at a crime scene.

I thought about it. It isn't at all clear to me why murderers should be expected to honor financing agreements; nor why they would care about advancing the cause of gun control in the US.

31 posted on 06/22/2012 4:42:49 PM PDT by Lady Lucky (God-issued, not govt-issued.)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
They are INTENTIONALLY LEFT THERE to bolster the ‘weapons from America’ narrative.

Why do murderers want to bolster that narrative? Or any narrative.

32 posted on 06/22/2012 4:45:03 PM PDT by Lady Lucky (God-issued, not govt-issued.)
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To: Lady Lucky
I thought about it. It isn't at all clear to me why murderers should be expected to honor financing agreements; nor why they would care about advancing the cause of gun control in the US.

Well, the firearms were free, after all.....paid by your stimulus funds. So, that is one incentive.

The second incentive could be that, if caught, you would be considered a Criminal Informant, and unable to be prosecuted for the crime......that's a helluva incentive!

33 posted on 06/22/2012 4:53:06 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: volunbeer
I dare anyone to suggest that Brian Terry would not have been killed if it had not been for Fast and Furious.

If there was an FBI informant on a rip team, then the FBI had at least an inkling of where the rip team would be, and may have developed the tip that led to the rip team being there.

Coordination with the Border Patrol could have prevented the clash that led to Brian Terry's death.

That the rip team had F&F weapons indicates some sort of connection, possible to bolster the 'credibility' of the informant (which the whole operation may have been).

Informants aren't agents, they are often smarmy turncoats who are glorified because of the people they sell out, and they'd sell out their grandmother if they thought there was something in it for them. Without cred, they're dead.

Lay this at the doorstep of your choice: The war on drugs, the (still) absence of border security due in part to "immigration policy", or the BATF for providing the weapons, or all three. Bureaucratic incompetence bordering on criminal negligence can be claimed in the lack of operational coordination at the very least.

While the cartels may have no shortage of weapons, feeding them more didn't help the situation, and the ones used came from F&F.

34 posted on 06/22/2012 7:02:37 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Lady Lucky
It isn't at all clear to me why murderers should be expected to honor financing agreements; nor why they would care about advancing the cause of gun control in the US.

Why wouldn't murderers prefer unarmed victims? Even victims limited to less tactically capable firearms gives the bad guys a technological (firepower) advantage, something our military has consistently relied upon to help win wars for the last century. Superior firepower for those who don't pay any attention to laws is the inevitable result of more gun control, especially an 'assault weapons ban' which has been high on the Liberal wish list.

35 posted on 06/22/2012 7:19:02 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

They try to cover this up, while jumping up and down to get the NY Slimes attention on all the cool stuff they know happening internationally! This admin’s priorities are completely bass-ackwards, and will be until well after they have been brought up on charges.


36 posted on 06/22/2012 8:59:43 PM PDT by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascists inside and outside our borders, now ACT LIKE IT!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Pin it on Bulger, because they can’t blame Bush. W has an air-tight alibi


37 posted on 06/22/2012 9:47:52 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

I have always wondered WHY the guns were left at the scene....no one leaves the murder weapon, but that makes PERFECT SENSE!!!


38 posted on 06/24/2012 2:05:37 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
This all happened because some undercover DEA agents got in a battle with some undercover FBI agents using guns that ATF agents forced gunshops owners to sell to undercover CIA agents who were ‘gun mules’, and Agent Terry’s unit got caught in the crossfire.

The FEDS have recently been supporting the Sinola cartel with the most undercover agents and guns, and have already opened up ARIZONA to them to use as an illegal trafficking corridor.

(want proof?)

The deal is which ever gang wins, controls drug traffic/illegal immigrant traffic/general mayhem/rape of young girls , and gets Arizona, all under the approval and monitoring (payoffs) of the US and MEXICAN government.

39 posted on 06/25/2012 9:22:46 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: piytar
: Maybe the admin set up the border patrol so they could have a sympathic victim to use against the 2nd Amendment

Nope.

Obama and Calderon know they cannot control the 'cartels', so they decided to give them all guns and staff them with undercover agents and let them go to war with each other. Then... winner takes all, including Arizona.

It's already a done deal. Terry et al got caught in the crossfire during a struggle between the two gangs.

The Sinola cartel is coming out on top, and they will run the border along Arizona. In the mean time, since traffic will decrease to almost zero along the Texas Border, Obama and Calderon will declare SUCCESS in 'closing' the border.

Why do you think the FEDS went after AZ with Holder, and were telling AZ they cannot control their own border? Why just today the Supreme Court had a RULING, and it ain't going well for ARIZONA.

40 posted on 06/25/2012 9:29:26 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2; GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

How about some more ‘interesting’ links????

C.I.A. Said to Aid in Steering Arms to Syrian Opposition
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2897820/posts

(and steering arms to the Sinola cartel, and to other dictatorships in South America).

A Timeline of CIA Atrocities
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/CIAtimeline.html
“This scenario has been repeated so many times that the CIA actually teaches it in a special school, the notorious “School of the Americas.” (It opened in Panama but later moved to Fort Benning, Georgia.) Critics have nicknamed it the “School of the Dictators” and “School of the Assassins.” Here, the CIA trains Latin American military officers how to conduct coups, including the use of interrogation, torture and murder.”

International arms dealings, the CIA and “suitcase atomic bombs”
http://joni-geonews.blogspot.com/2010/10/international-arms-dealings-cia-and.html

Since at least 1981, a worldwide network of independent [i.e., no direct U.S. government ties] companies, including airlines, aviation and military spare parts suppliers, and trading companies, has been utilized by the CIA and the U.S. government to illegally ship arms and military spare parts to Iran and to the Contras. These companies were set up with the approval and knowledge of senior CIA officials and other senior U.S. government officials and staffed primarily by ex-CIA, ex-FBI and ex-military officers.

These CIA-controlled companies include Aero Systems, Inc., of Miami, Arrow Air, Aero Systems Pvt. Ltd of Singapore, Hierax of Hong Kong, Pan Aviation in Miami, Merex in Georgia, Sur International, St. Lucia Airways, Global International Airways, International Air Tours of Nigeria, Continental Shelf Explorations, Inc., Jupiter, Florida, Varicon, Inc., Dane Aviation Supply of Miami, Parvus, Safir, International Trading and Investment Guaranty Corp., Ltd., Air America, CAA, and Information Security International Inc.


41 posted on 06/25/2012 9:59:39 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: piytar

oops. I meant to include you in POST #41.


42 posted on 06/25/2012 10:01:57 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: hoosiermama

There was a secret, “no busts in return for intel” arrangement between Obama and the Sinaloa Cartel.

If a large entity does important with cartel X, the view of the other cartels is that that entity is an extension of cartel X —they will get treated that way.

US Customs agent Zapata was killed in Mexico for that reason —Mexican druggies are profoundly more experienced in the view of law enforcement as Just Another Gang.

It’s possible that Zapata didn’t know of the arrangement —that he didn’t he was in danger as being a de-facto member of the Sinaloa.

Basically the USA has chosen sides in a Mexican civil war, and we are with the Sinaloa, apparently.

Nice, huh?


43 posted on 06/25/2012 10:43:57 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

And here is HOLDER attacking ARIZONA and insisting they cannot enforce immigration laws. THIS IS FROM TODAY.

Holder will ‘closely monitor’ AZ law enforcement for racial profiling [Now he will monitor!!! ]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2899316/posts

“We will closely monitor the impact of S.B. 1070 to ensure compliance with federal immigration law and with applicable civil rights laws, including ensuring that law enforcement agencies and others do not implement the law in a manner that has the purpose or effect of discriminating against the Latino or any other community,” Holder said in a statement on the ruling.


44 posted on 06/25/2012 9:14:13 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: piytar

Post 44 was to you also.

I swear, it’s not my fault (well, actually it is, but...). I put it in, and it got lost during the back and forth to cut and paste.


45 posted on 06/25/2012 9:30:31 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

Lol. No worries, went back to the thread and read it already...


46 posted on 06/25/2012 11:16:57 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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