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120 Powerful Pieces Of Advice For Preppers
The American Dream ^ | 6-22-2012 | Robert Wenzel

Posted on 06/22/2012 2:26:35 PM PDT by blam

120 Powerful Pieces Of Advice For Preppers

Robert Wenzel
June 22, 2012

Our world is becoming increasingly unstable, and millions of Americans are feverishly preparing for what they consider to be "the end of the world as we know it". In fact, it is estimated that there are now approximately 3 million "preppers" in the United States. But for people that have never done much prepping before, getting started can be both confusing and intimidating. In fact, I get more questions about prepping than anything else. People are constantly asking me how they can prepare for the difficult times that are coming. Well, in this article I have compiled 120 powerful pieces of advice for preppers.
No two situations are exactly the same, and almost every prepper approaches preparation differently, but there are some basic principles that apply to almost everyone. And without a doubt, a lot of people that are not preparing now are going to regret it in the years ahead. The global financial system is falling apart, the United States and Europe are absolutely drowning in debt, earthquakes and volcanic eruptions are becoming more frequent, signs of social decay are everywhere and war could erupt in the Middle East at any time. Actually, it is absolutely amazing that there are so many people out there that still believe that "prepping" is not necessary.

When people ask me what they can do to prepare, there is usually one tip that I give above everything else. It is not very "sexy", but it is absolutely foundational.

During the last recession, millions of people lost their jobs, and because a lot of them had no financial cushion, many of them also lost their homes.

For the next couple of years, my number one tip is to build up an emergency fund. If you are a prepper and you are living month to month, then you are in a very vulnerable position.

What is going to happen to all of your preparations if something goes wrong and you suddenly lose your home to foreclosure?

I recommend that everyone have an emergency fund that will be able to cover all bills and expenses for at least six months.

Yes, cash is continually losing value. But during any economic downturn it is absolutely essential that you be able to continue to pay your bills. Having a cash reserve is the smart thing to do.

So what else can people do to start prepping for the tough times that are on the horizon?

In a previous article, I explained that a good place to start is by focusing on the five basics....

1) Food

2) Water

3) Shelter

4) Energy

5) Self-Defense

If you have those five areas totally covered you will be in pretty good shape.

The following are some more things to consider as you are prepping....

*Do not post pictures of money or gold or your preps on Facebook. If you do, you might get some unwelcome visitors to your home.

*Make sure that your preparations are not against the law. If you have any doubt about this, make sure that you do not go on national television and tell all of America what you are doing.

*In the event of a major disaster, there will likely be hordes of "non-preppers" running around looking to take away the things that all of the preppers have been storing up. This is something that you will need to be prepared for.

*The following are 6 excellent privacy tips for preppers that come from an article by an anonymous author that was recently posted on theintelhub.com....

1. Trust no one that you do not personally know. Even the little old lady down the road will rat on you if she is hungry when the SHTF.

2. Keep your prepping to yourself. Again, do not tell anyone you are prepping. If they know you have stores of food, where do you think they will think of first when the SHTF? Oh and don’t forget, the Department of Homeland Security thinks people with stockpiles of food and weapons as potential domestic terrorist.

3. Don’t share any prepping articles on Facebook or other social media. Don’t draw attention to yourself by posting prepping articles or discussing the topic on the website. You may think you are educating your friends, but in reality you are just letting them know of your actions and plans.

4. Make sure boxes are not labeled with the company name if your order emergency supplies. Most companies will publish this in their ordering information. You don’t want to tip off the UPS driver that you just received a year’s worth of freeze dried food.

5. Do not tell anyone what you are up to. You don’t know how hard it is for me not to tell people I meet that I was almost on the National Geographic TV show. That would be a disaster.

6. Be alert to what others are saying. I was sitting in my dental hygienist chair a week ago and she told me about another customer that was storing food. She thought he might be prepping and she said if it ever got bad, she knew where to find some food. I just acknowledged the statement and let it rest.

*In one article that I did about preparation, I listed 10 things that you can start doing right now to get yourself into a better position for the chaos that is coming....

1 - Get Out Of Debt

2 - Find New Sources Of Income

3 - Reduce Your Expenses

4 - Learn To Grow Your Own Food

5 - Make Sure You Have A Reliable Water Supply

6 - Buy Land

7 - Get Off The Grid

8 - Store Non-Perishable Supplies

9 - Develop Stronger Relationships

10 - Get Educated And Stay Flexible

*Would moving to another area of the country be the best choice for you and your family? In an article entitled "What Is The Best Place To Live In The United States To Prepare For The Coming Economic Collapse?" I detailed some of the pros and cons for living in various areas of the country.

*In a recent article posted on shtfplan.com, Norse Prepper shared 11 questions that all preppers should be asking themselves....

1. What am I preparing for?

2. Am I going to bug in or bug out?

3. Can I defend my family, property and preps?

4. Do I have enough to feed my family until order is restored?

5. How will I heat my home?

6. How will I keep clean?

7. How will I provide light and electricity?

8. How will I keep up on information and communicate with the outside world?

9. What do I have to offer others?

10. How will I fight off boredom?

11. How do I pay for all of this?

You can read the entire article right here.

*In the years ahead food might cost a whole lot more than it does right now. Your food dollars are never going to go farther than they do right now.

*Many people do not realize this, but you can grow herbs that have tremendous healing properties in your own garden.

*In a recent article, I detailed some of the things that you will want to consider in the event of a major economic collapse....

#1 Food Shortages Can Actually Happen

#2 Medicine Is One Of The First Things That Becomes Scarce During An Economic Collapse

#3 When An Economy Collapses, So Might The Power Grid

#4 During An Economic Collapse You Cannot Even Take Water For Granted

#5 During An Economic Crisis Your Credit Cards And Debit Cards May Stop Working

#6 Crime, Rioting And Looting Become Commonplace During An Economic Collapse

#7 During A Financial Meltdown Many Average Citizens Will Start Bartering

#8 Suicides Spike During An Economic Collapse

#9 Your Currency May Rapidly Lose Value During An Economic Crisis

#10 When Things Hit The Fan The Government Will Not Save You

*You need to have a plan for what you will do if a massive wildfire comes sweeping through your area. This is especially true if you live in the western half of the United States.

*In a previous article entitled "20 Things You Will Need To Survive When The Economy Collapses And The Next Great Depression Begins", I made a list of 20 things that you will need when you are not able to rely on Wal-Mart or the grocery store any longer....

#1) Storable Food

#2) Clean Water

#3) Shelter

#4) Warm Clothing

#5) An Axe

#6) Lighters Or Matches

#7) Hiking Boots Or Comfortable Shoes

#8) A Flashlight And/Or Lantern

#9) A Radio

#10) Communication Equipment

#11) A Swiss Army Knife

#12) Personal Hygiene Items

#13) A First Aid Kit And Other Medical Supplies

#14) Extra Gasoline (But Be Very Careful How You Store It)

#15) A Sewing Kit

#16) Self-Defense Equipment

#17) A Compass

#18) A Hiking Backpack

#19) A Community

#20) A Backup Plan

*In the comments following that article, my readers suggested a number of additional items to add to that list....

1. A K-Bar Fighting Knife

2. Salt

3. Extra Batteries

4. Medicine

5. A Camp Stove

6. Propane

7. Pet Food

8. Heirloom Seeds

9. Tools

10. An LED Headlamp

11. Candles

12. Clorox

13. Calcium Hypochlorite

14. Ziplock Bags

15. Maps Of Your Area

16. inoculars

17. Sleeping Bags

18. Rifle For Hunting

19. Extra Socks

20. Gloves

21. Gold And Silver Coins For Bartering

*There are more preppers out there than you might think. Don't be afraid to reach out and make new friends.

*In a recent article, Brandon Smith shared some of the factors to consider when choosing a location for a survival retreat....

1. Property Placement

2. Community Network

3. Defensibility

4. Water Availability

5. Food Production

6. Proximity To National Forest

7. Secondary Retreat Locations

You can read the rest of that article right here.

*Almost everyone can grow a survival garden. Even if you only have an apartment, you can still grow a few things on your balcony.

*Don't underestimate the impact a major transportation disruption could have on our daily lives.

*You would be surprised what you can actually do with limited resources. For example, there is one family that is actually producing 6000 pounds of produce a year on just 1/10th of an acre right in the middle of Pasadena, California.

*Survival Mom once shared the top ten survival tips that nobody wants to talk about....

1. Duct taping your windows will not save you from radiation poisoning.

2. You may have to dig a latrine (more than one time).

3. You may not receive any government benefits or payment from your place of employment during a disaster.

4. It is possible that you may be sick or in the hospital during a disaster.

5. Your pets may not survive.

6. It is likely that your cell phone will not work.

7. No one is coming to help you.

8. Insurance doesn’t cover everything, if there is an insurance company left.

9. There will not be enough food and water for everyone.

10. If it is the end of the world, the previous nine tips will not matter!!!

*An EMP burst caused by a high altitude nuke or by a major solar event could fry most of your electronics. What are you going to do if that happens?

*Spending a million dollars on a "survival condo" in an abandoned missile silo in Kansas is probably not a very efficient use of your limited resources.

*Off Grid Survival recently posted a list of four powerful traits that most survivors have in common....

1. Survivors stay Calm in the face of Danger

2. Survivalists are Experts at Improvisation

3. Survivors are D.I.Y Experts

4. Survivors are Great Leaders

*You can always learn more. Organizations such as The American Preppers Network enable preppers to network and learn from one another.

*During the difficult times that are coming, in addition to physical preparation it is going to be absolutely crucial to be both mentally and spiritually tough.

Many have accused me of being a "doom and gloomer", but I don't see anything negative about being prepared.

In fact, having a plan can give you a tremendous amount of hope. There will be a lot of people out there that will be tremendously blessed in the midst of the chaos that is coming. Victory often goes to those who are most prepared.

But if you choose simply to have blind faith in the system and you choose to stick your head in the sand, you might find that "ignorance is bliss" for a little while but when the stuff hits the fan it is going to be incredibly painful for you.

Previous generations understood that it was wise to store up supplies in the good years in order to make things easier in the lean years.

Unfortunately, most people these days have never been through truly hard times so they have no idea what they are like.

Just because the world has enjoyed a tremendous amount of prosperity for the last several decades does not mean that things will always be this way.

Wake up, take a look at the storm on the horizon and get prepared while you still can.

If you choose not to prepare now, you will regret it later.


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1 posted on 06/22/2012 2:26:54 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Here It Is: An Effective Plan To Convince Your Loved Ones To Prepare

David Nash
June 22nd, 2012
Shepherd School

(This article was originally published by David Nash of Shepherd School at The Survival Mom web site.)

Any person who has begun to seriously prepare has had to make compromises between current wants and future needs, how much to spend on preparations, and how many people to stock supplies for. If you’re married, you need to have a spouse that shares your concerns or you’re going to fight over every #10 can the mailman delivers. I don’t need to go into detail on how much you should store, how to store it, or what makes the cut on your List of Lists. The purpose of this article is to help communicate the need to prepare with those in your family that you want to help without alienating them or downgrading your own preparedness plans.

I am a professional firearms instructor and am also employed full time as an emergency management planner. Due to my job, my hobbies, and my personal beliefs, my former mother-in-law delighted in trying to insult me by calling me “Sgt. Tackleberry”. She was unreachable, and I didn’t spend a lot of time trying to convince her of the importance in prepping. She would rather buy timeshares of vacation property than spend money on a basic 72 hour kit. That works for her, and I cannot judge her, but she would not be invited to,“come live with me if it ever did happen,” as she believed.

Other members of my family have thought my preparations were a, “phase”, or some harmless idiosyncrasy. Those family members did not have a negative view of my preparations. They mostly looked at my preparations with amusement. They tolerated my teenage experiments with wild foods or earthquake kits. As I have grown older and they have seen things on the horizon that will personally impact them, they have begun to ask me for my opinion on coming winter storms or whether they should buy gold or guns.

It’s like being a firearm instructor and people asking you which gun to buy. If you do your homework and build credibility, people respect you more. If you take the long view and work diligently. these members of your family might be “converted” with patience and work. While I cannot assume responsibility for them and make them prepare for disasters, I can be a role model and sounding board to help them understand the issues at play so they can build a plan that works for them.

If the world as we know it collapses, it’s not only about survival. Once your survival needs are met, you’re going to have to rebuild and continue with your life. Having your loved ones with you makes that a lot easier. The problem is that each person I add to my retreat lowers my safety margin IF MY SUPPLY AMOUNTS REMAIN FIXED, but if those people I add to my retreat bring their own supplies, it dramatically increases my safety margin. To me it is definitely worth it to help your family prepare.

I have a few precepts that I use when dealing with family or friends on this subject.

My first precept of dealing with family is not to preach. My preparations are based on my needs and the things that I believe are important. Each person has their own priorities, and preaching that you are right and they are wrong only pushes them away from the direction you need them to go.

My second is never to prepare for a particular event. I am sure there is still a lot of rotting food out there that was bought in bulk specifically for Y2K, and some of those that bought it are convinced it was a waste of money.
I tell my family that my food storage can be used for Y2K, Armageddon, TEOTWAWKI, Pandemic Flu, Nuclear Winter, Job loss, or when I just don’t feel like cooking. By having an all-hazards approach and building capability and skills rather than building for specific events, my planning work gets more bang for the buck.
The first time I read of the “Deep Larder” was an “ah-ha!” moment for me, and changing my terminology has worked well in changing the response I get from my close loved ones.

My last precept of helping my loved ones see the need to prepare is to foster an appropriate mindset instead of concentrating on gear acquisition. I could buy my mom a Springfield Armory M-14 and 10,000 rounds of match ammo, but it would be much more effective to get her to go with me to the range a couple times and practice with a .22. This would likely foster a desire to shoot, and then I could help her choose a firearm that fits her needs and desires.

Whenever the family conversation gets around to disaster preparation I bring up concepts like:

“Buying car insurance is considered a responsible action, but you don’t have any tangible benefit from buying it, if you never get into an accident.”
“With having a deep larder, even if zombies never attack, I still have the food.”

Or as Dave Grossman has said, “You never hear of elementary schools burning down but they all have fire extinguishers.” My favorite is, “Noah built the Ark BEFORE the flood”.
I try to break everything down into manageable bites rather than cram it in and have them tune me out.

The best case scenario is that your loved ones will see the need to prepare for themselves and begin planning and preparing on their own, therefore augmenting your plan. You cannot out-argue someone into adopting your position.
As Dale Carnegie said, “Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still.” What has worked for me is a quiet and consistent approach.

I love my family and want what is best for them. The best way I know to do that is to help them become more aware of the need to prepare. My goal is to foster a sense of self-sufficiency and personal responsibility, and to help mentor them through the beginning steps of basic preparedness.

Think about how overwhelming it was when you first began to prepare. There is a LOT to learn and even more skills and equipment to acquire. We know that we cannot stock everything needed or prepare too much. The process of preparing is every bit as important as the items you acquire.

Researching and prioritizing is mental prep work so that when a large disaster occurs we are not comatose with emotional overload. If I coddle my loved ones and try to remove their responsibility to prepare by doing it for them, then I am doing them a disservice. When hard times come, they may not be emotionally ready to deal with the collapse.
What’s worse is that making them dependent on my charity would cause strain on otherwise healthy family relationships. Because of this, I feel it is worth supreme effort to work with my loved ones to prepare so that we can grow together in adversity and make our family bonds stronger.

This year I had my breakthrough. My parents asked me what they could do to prepare. We had a very long discussion and came away with a workable plan. At the time of our discussion their location was more favorable for a long-term retreat than my own, and they are going to provide the location and storage space for most of my preps.
We both win in the end. Shortly after that discussion our town had an unusually long cold spell. In the days before it we talked more about our short term plans and communication protocols and procedures. While we did not have to evacuate to my parents, it was nice having all the details ironed out in the event we had to.

Disaster preparedness is not a fad or a short term race to buy a lot of cool gear. It’s a lifestyle choice, and one that has a lot of benefits. However, it comes the necessity of taking off the rose colored glasses. Not everyone is ready to do this, but if you want to set an example and truly influence others, you must understand what you do is much louder than what you say.

2 posted on 06/22/2012 2:42:01 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

An experienced prepper will go through these lists and nod agreement (or, on occasion, scowl disagreement.. ;)) - but for someone just starting out, these ‘comprehensive’ lists can be intimidating, or even off-putting...

For the most part, every single one of us started out from ‘the basics’ - food, water, light, heat, defense - and it’s easy to lose that emphasis when confronted with “Lists of 120”....

/rant off


3 posted on 06/22/2012 2:45:03 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Uncle Ike

Yes “But to finish, one must first start”.


4 posted on 06/22/2012 2:53:35 PM PDT by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: blam
What is going to happen to all of your preparations if something goes wrong and you suddenly lose your home to foreclosure? I recommend that everyone have an emergency fund that will be able to cover all bills and expenses for at least six months.

Piffle. A serious prepper will not assume that an emergency fund will do the job, if the shtf. You don't know what cash will be worth or what alternatives might be acceptable.

Instead, a serious prepper will find a property they can afford to pay cash for now, while cash is still good. Such properties are not hard to find. If you have $10k or even less you can buy a place, clear title. At a sheriff's sale in the right area you can find one for $1k -- or less.

Happy hunting. :)

5 posted on 06/22/2012 3:10:43 PM PDT by Lady Lucky (God-issued, not govt-issued.)
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To: Uncle Ike

You do make some good points but I will expand that. If they are serious, they will use any list as a guide like I did when I started. Crossing off what you felt did not apply to you.

But even the the “basics - food, water, light, heat, defense” as you call them are not set in stone because what food do I need? How much water and where can I put it? What gun should I buy?

If you are the type to let these kind of questions trip you up, then most likely you are looking for excuses NOT to prep in the first place. I know cause I saw it with co-workers and friends I tried to get interested.


6 posted on 06/22/2012 3:44:56 PM PDT by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: Lady Lucky

Actually, he does make good points. Everyone doesn’t have the cash you talk about, but the system may only fail so far and bill collectorsa will still operate.

You could say the depression was a SHTF moment but society kept going and bills still had to be paid. Its better to pay off as much as you can now. Being debt free is one of the better preps.


7 posted on 06/22/2012 3:49:05 PM PDT by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: packrat35

” If you are the type to let these kind of questions trip you up, “

I started prepping long before I knew there was any such thing as a “Prepper Movement”, with the wealth (sometimes drowning flood) of information it brings...

I had these questions answered to my own satisfaction (after, admittedly, a number of false-starts and changes-of-direction) as well as many others - it’s an evolutionary process, which starts with the first extra can of beans and bag of rice I bought on my weekly shopping, and, eventually gets me thinking about how to best organize my community if/when “The Day” comes...

The thing that I realized early on in my association with the Prepper Community is that there is no ‘cookie cutter’ solution - that everybody’s circumstances are different, and preps need to be as personalized as your toothbrush...

And if you’re not thinking for yourself at this juncture, you’re gonna be pretty much lost when you really are on your own....


8 posted on 06/22/2012 3:56:04 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: blam; Kartographer

Ping!


9 posted on 06/22/2012 4:05:27 PM PDT by TEXOKIE
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To: Uncle Ike

I notice that the word ‘fitness’ does not occur in this article. I think physical fitness is a very important part of prepping - if the grid goes down then only the strong are going to survive. Also, fitness is on measure that everyone can start immediately.


10 posted on 06/22/2012 4:12:53 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: blam

I spent 3 years working for my County OEM. It paid for my degree in Emergency Management and I’m grateful for all I learned. I have to say the “All Hazards” approach is in my opinion the way to go.

I just think that makes the most since for my family given where we live.

I have also ceased discussing our plans and preps with anyone outside a very close circle of people. Period. I will make suggestions and sources for some items on this forum, but no others. Period.

If nothing bad ever happens, great. But if it does, depending on the scenario of course, we are prepared to hunker down for 3-4 months fairly comfortably. You can’t prepare for everything, but taking the all hazards approach will do well for most situations most of the time.

FWIW. YMMV.


11 posted on 06/22/2012 4:14:47 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is, it is the only answer.)
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To: All
>>>> DEFENSE <<<< Buy ammo, BUT, keep the following in mind:

COPY & PASTE FROM MY POST ON THE SAME SUBJECT ON SUNDAY, JUNE 12, 2011 FOLLOWS. FIGURED IT WAS WORTH REPEATING.

Buy ammo. And, do it correctly.....I have a few friends who still don't get it, ie: when I ask, "how much ammo do you have on hand?" I get a few answers of : Got plenty, plus 14 guns in the closet. Have 3 or 4 boxes of 12 ga, a couple for my kids .410, couple of boxes each for my 6 rifles, and a bunch of partial boxes for all my hand guns. I tell them that's fine if they can stay in the house and shoot out the windows, B-U-T if they need to run outside and shoot from behind the car or garage, they may find themselves in the do-do. One can only carry a couple of long guns (of different calibers) and a couple of handguns while on the run, along with their ammo. You shoot up those 3 - 20 round boxes of .30/06, 4 boxes of 7mm, 3 boxes of .45 ACP and you no longer have 3 guns....just 3 clubs.

Designate one shotgun, one rifle and one handgun as your primary "social unrest" home defense weapons and load up on the ammo for them. Having 20 guns doesn't do you any good if all you have is a few rounds for each. Kinda hard to watch out the FRONT living room window where the armed looters are moving around and dig through the BACK bedroom closet for more ammo. ("I KNOW I have at least a half box of .270 somewhere from last deer season......where the hell is it ???").

If you can't afford lots of expensive high caliber ammo, get a few bricks of .22 ammo. 300 rounds flying out that window from your .22 rifle and pistol may not drop a 250 lb man, but a wound in the arm with a .22 will slow him down, take him off the attack and put HIM on defense. Plus, with a bucket of .22 ammo, your wife and kid can easily load one gun while you shot the other.

Don't forget magazines / clips. It's great that you have 1 EXTRA mag that came with your favorite deer rifle, B-U-T a total of 2 mags with only 5 rounds each isn't going to last long until you hear "click" and stop shooting to reload them. If you can't get oversize mags, get a sack full of the "regular" ones.

AND, as noted by another FREEPER after my post; Ensure you have slings on your long guns, so you will have at least one hand free when on the move. If you don't want to "mess up the looks" of your beautiful 375 H & H Magnum with swivels and sling, at least have some precut lengths of small size rope or strapping handy to use for an 'emergency' sling. You can always tie it around the stock and forearm (or barrel) and throw it over your shoulder. It doesn't have to be 'pretty', just a temporary jerry-rig that could save your life.

12 posted on 06/22/2012 4:25:21 PM PDT by jmax (Be warned....I'm armed. Round is chambered, full magazine is inserted, safety is off.)
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To: blam

I am all for prepping, but seriously, some of that stuff sounds totally paranoid.


13 posted on 06/22/2012 4:25:35 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: blam

I am all for prepping, but seriously, some of that stuff sounds totally paranoid.


14 posted on 06/22/2012 4:25:58 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: blam
I have my act together, however family is another thing.

My son is an intelligent grown man and doesn't live near me. He rolls his eyes at my preps and we leave it at that. He is certainly welcome to come here if the need arises.

I have a sister-in-law and husband who are to the left of Stalin - seriously. The sister-in-law thinks preps are fun to talk about but has nothing that I didn't give her and she lives on the coast - she is a fruitcake liberal and I mean it and she knows it.

Her husband is a genuine genius but a fruitcake liberal as well. Because he is so bright, my preps confuse him. He respects my intelligence and can't figure out why someone as smart as I am, would prep. He's afraid to call it nonsense because he knows I'm not nonsense. If I'm doing it, he's thinking maybe I know something he doesn't.

On their last trip here, they had it all figured out. They say the real danger is global warming will prevent crops being grown in their area so they will move to California where his brother is when that happens. Then, they will be safe there, plenty to eat as global warming won't hurt that place.

I know, he is a genius, but really liberal stupid.

I love those two people and they will be welcome if they need to come here, however they need to be dipped in oil and French fried until the liberalism is gone. Did I mention they get their news only from Al Jazeera, as they say they are the only news that tells the truth. They tell me I should watch/hear Al Jazeera if I want the truth about Jews and everything else.

15 posted on 06/22/2012 4:27:50 PM PDT by Marcella (God wouldn't vote for Romney so I won't, either.)
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To: beebuster2000

Some people are simply going to be better prepared than others. The better prepared one is, the greater the likelihood of survival. I reckon it depends on whether or not you believe a doomsday scenario is possible or probable. That’s not paranoia.


16 posted on 06/22/2012 4:45:48 PM PDT by old school
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To: packrat35
Everyone doesn’t have the cash you talk about

That was under $10k, and if one tries a little harder to find a bargain, even a $1k purchase is possible. I can't see how a prepper wouldn't have that. In gold! :)

17 posted on 06/22/2012 4:48:27 PM PDT by Lady Lucky (God-issued, not govt-issued.)
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To: blam
3. Don’t share any prepping articles on Facebook or other social media. Don’t draw attention to yourself by posting prepping articles or discussing the topic on the website. You may think you are educating your friends, but in reality you are just letting them know of your actions and plans.

I just find it ironic reading the above advice on a social media website!

18 posted on 06/22/2012 4:50:52 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76

Social Media is Facebook, MySpace etc. Unless you reveal yourself on FreeRepublic, we only know you as SamAdams76.
Social Media?


19 posted on 06/22/2012 4:58:10 PM PDT by old school
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To: packrat35
Incidentally, many people who are prepping for teotwawki are living in expensive, mortgaged homes in metropolitan and suburban areas. When the shtf, and they're living without electricity, running water, and all the other amenities of civilization, they're going to be living as if they were out in Middle of Nowhere, Wyoming.

Except...they will be on their own in survival mode, in an area densely populated with terrified, possibly violent urban dwellers.

Seems to me if you're going to survive, your $800k residence in Outer Metropolis is not a good investment after all, and its "location, location, location" is going to have some stunning drawbacks.

I would say if you expect to be living in raw, rugged survivalist mode, get yourself a getaway home in a raw rugged place where you can expect fewer interruptions.

20 posted on 06/22/2012 5:02:12 PM PDT by Lady Lucky (God-issued, not govt-issued.)
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To: blam; Chunga85; RipSawyer; TigerLikesRooster; familyop; FlingWingFlyer; Quix; Alamo-Girl; ...
The Coming Derivatives Crisis That Could Destroy The Entire Global Financial System !


Very Tough Times Are Coming !

21 posted on 06/22/2012 5:13:58 PM PDT by ex-Texan ((Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20))
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To: old school

I count Free Republic as social media. We come here to socialize and discuss conservative politics. Granted, most of us post under screen names but a determined Google search will reveal most of our true identities.


22 posted on 06/22/2012 5:23:27 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Lady Lucky

“Except...they will be on their own in survival mode, in an area densely populated with terrified, possibly violent urban dwellers.”

I worked in Oakland, California during two disasters: The Loma Prieta Earthquake and The Oakland Hills Fire comparatively speaking, relatively few people were directly impacted by either. Nonetheless, in both instances, looters and predators of every stripe came out in force. Privation was not the impetus for their actions! No light, no heat, no food and no water would have really jazzed-up those activities!


23 posted on 06/22/2012 5:25:41 PM PDT by old school
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To: Lurker
"I have also ceased discussing our plans and preps with anyone outside a very close circle of people. Period. I will make suggestions and sources for some items on this forum, but no others. Period."

Ditto. (A handful of close friends and neighbors, fellow preppers)

24 posted on 06/22/2012 5:31:06 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
"For the next couple of years, my number one tip is to build up an emergency fund. If you are a prepper and you are living month to month, then you are in a very vulnerable position."

Well, an author giving advice in regards to the default process, and he has a brain. That's unusual. Some of the "preps" most often talked about probably won't pay for much more than a few meals during the poor times that we're really likely to see in the very near future. And no pile of such items will make a month's mortgage payment. They'll go cheap, after the movie action novelty bubble breaks.

[Haven't watched television for about a decade. Realistic perspective unaffected by TV is priceless.]

Imagine, folks, where you might go to live after being foreclosed on. Can we say perpetual Zombieville, friends?


25 posted on 06/22/2012 5:34:17 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: blam
"1 - Get Out Of Debt"

Do that first.

"2 - Find New Sources Of Income"

Easier said than done, for most. Looking for an extra job is a full time job.

"3 - Reduce Your Expenses"

Best recommendation, for most, IMO. Even most "experts" at this are much lacking in knowledge. Nearly any one of you could do much more to reduce personal costs (clue: takes work...time consuming, sometimes very hard work and lots of it).

"4 - Learn To Grow Your Own Food"

If you have a place to garden, start now. Hard packed, sterile soil takes years to develop well. If you're in the east, well, good for you. Get after it anyway, and get a taste of the work of canning (read and follow instructions carefully or risk death by botulism).

"5 - Make Sure You Have A Reliable Water Supply"

If away from city water, have a well drilled, and water, tested.

"6 - Buy Land"

Become educated on regulations and costs first, especially in the West. Spying, gossiping, NIMBY eyes and ears in every locale await victims to fleece for their relatives and friends in the local socialist economy and various land grabbing schemes. They'll do it out of nothing more than jealousy and hatred.

"7 - Get Off The Grid"

Better study for a few years about that first, if the author's talking about rural water, alternative energy, etc. See "NIMBY" above.

"8 - Store Non-Perishable Supplies"

Yes.

"9 - Develop Stronger Relationships"

Yes, but be very aware. Whole lot of robberies through hook and crook going on out there now, and many real families have already been ripped apart by the pathological social-social regime.

"10 - Get Educated And Stay Flexible"

Get educated. More than anything else, avoid the "name Ash, Housewares" ("mountain man") posture. Extremely dangerous for city slickers or anyone else in many ways unimagined.


26 posted on 06/22/2012 5:58:06 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: blam
"#9 Your Currency May Rapidly Lose Value During An Economic Crisis"

Our US debt is being enormously piled up by the propaganda about Europe and Asia. What goes up could come down with an unprecedented crash following this party of socialist illusions and crookery. Prepare for a worthless dollar. Granted, after living through the time of the dollar collapse, you may see deflation in some things. But there might not be many products to buy with it, and residential real estate will likely be worth far less than the barest costs of building it (us Baby Boomers passing away for decades, lack of manufacturing base).


27 posted on 06/22/2012 6:08:20 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: blam
7 - Get Off The Grid

8 - Store Non-Perishable Supplies

Got to get wife to agree with these two. She hates Spam as food, but I keep telling her it can last for years. Getting off the grid will be hard because of the HOA.

28 posted on 06/22/2012 6:51:14 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It's time to take out the trash in DC.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Look into a manual transfer switch and a 30 amp inlet box. Reliance Mfg makes a nice little kit. On the exterior of your home it’s barely noticeable. Inside you can have up to ten circuits wired to it.

If the grid goes down you hook a portable generator to the inlet, flip the transfer switch to generator, and you have power to the important stuff in your home without having to run extension cords through open windows.

If you do it yourself no one will be the wiser.


29 posted on 06/22/2012 6:57:36 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is, it is the only answer.)
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To: Uncle Ike

That was not directed at you but a comment on the people who let things slide cause they don’t know where to start.

I started prepping like you before it became prepping. I got my wife to start buying an extra $10 a week about 6 years ago. If there was a sale of some canned food we ate, get more of it. We slowly started building up some extra food. Started adding to it right before the crash after I paid off the house.

I live in the hood of a city and bugging out is not really an option as I have no where to go. I am 50 and being a refugee with my 55 year old wife and her sister is NOT my idea of living.

Will have to make my stand here. If I had 2 more years (which I doubt), I might be able to get a hideaway close enough to get to. So right now I stock up and ammo up and bid my time.


30 posted on 06/22/2012 7:33:30 PM PDT by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: packrat35

You never know what the future brings. You just might cross paths with someone who has a refuge away from the city but doesn’t have the skills that you have. It could happen.


31 posted on 06/22/2012 7:37:12 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Marcella
I love those two people and they will be welcome if they need to come here, however they need to be dipped in oil and French fried until the liberalism is gone. Did I mention they get their news only from Al Jazeera, as they say they are the only news that tells the truth. They tell me I should watch/hear Al Jazeera if I want the truth about Jews and everything else.

I'd let them rot and I am saying that even if they were my relatives.

32 posted on 06/22/2012 7:43:12 PM PDT by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: packrat35

Well, Pack, it’s not that simple. They were my support and helped me tremendously when my hisband (her brother) was dying from brain cancer last year. Going through that would have been much worse if I hadn’t had them.

When they start on their liberal stuff, I say nothing so an argument won’t start. I cannot change them.

I would save their lives if the SHTF and they could get here. I think, at least for him, he would realize then that liberalism’s government won’t water/feed him and keep him cool and warm and keep him safe.


33 posted on 06/22/2012 8:24:40 PM PDT by Marcella (God wouldn't vote for Romney so I won't, either.)
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To: ladyjane

Well I am not going to bet my family’s life on happening to find someone to take us in. I will bug out if absolutely necessary but it is a last resort.

I am 50, my wife is 55 with diabetes and her sister is 49 and mentally disabled. Wandering around as refugees is NOT an option I will take unless last resort.


34 posted on 06/22/2012 8:42:20 PM PDT by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: Marcella

OK you got me there. Didn’t realize they had helped you in the past.


35 posted on 06/22/2012 8:45:24 PM PDT by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: blam
Due to my job, my hobbies, and my personal beliefs, my former mother-in-law delighted in trying to insult me by calling me “Sgt. Tackleberry”. She was unreachable, and I didn’t spend a lot of time trying to convince her of the importance in prepping. She would rather buy timeshares of vacation property than spend money on a basic 72 hour kit. That works for her, and I cannot judge her, but she would not be invited to,“come live with me if it ever did happen,” as she believed.

It's interesting how many of these prepper articles have the same plotline:

1) Prepper is ridiculed for his prepper ways,

2) Prepper gets even with his tormenters by denying them access to his stash when the apocalypse comes. This guy apparently resolved that his MIL would starve when the SHTF.

It is clear to me that the prepper movement is, at least to some extent, an angry clique of revenge fantasists masquerading as a "practical" preparedness movement.

36 posted on 06/22/2012 9:41:39 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


37 posted on 06/23/2012 6:41:09 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: familyop
America's Debt Levels Are Falling To Pre-Crisis Levels
38 posted on 06/23/2012 6:52:25 AM PDT by blam
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To: jmax
AWESOME!!! BEARS MUCH REPEATING.

One of my biggest pet peeves, are those that have guns galore and about 20 rounds for each. I'm glad to hear someone else stating what should be obvious.

When I first started to get serious about what guns/ammo I needed for when SHTF, I planned out commonalities in ammo, availability, reliability in the gun/ammo, and cost.

Sure, it's great to have a .308, a 30-06, a .22, 5.56, a 9mm, and a .40 and a .270.........but, unless you make your own ammo you're stuck trying to get ammo that may already be hard to find/pricier now.

For example, a K98 is fun to have and a nice bolt action rifle. But a Mosin Nagant isn't a bad deal and 7.62x54 is more available and cheaper than 8mm. Plus, you can shoot the 7.62x54 in a Dragunov and both weapons can fire any 7.62x51 any federales happen to drop on the deck.

Last I checked, the Warsaw guns/ammo was still cheaper than the NATO guns/ammo. Yes, yes, I know, what about all those with 5.56 weapons? In my personal experience in nasty situations, I have found CAR-15/M16 variant rifles to be inferior due to jamming and stopping power issues. My all time favorite weapon is the Ak-47.

Your beliefs may differ, I'm not disputing AK vs AR here....I'm just saying that having 10 guns of 4 or five different calibers is probably better that 10 guns of 10 different calibers. And it goes in line with what jmax posted.

Aside from that, you can still find AP and tracer rounds for much of the NATO/Warsaw weapons......I haven't checked, but I'm willing to bet that 5.56/7.62x39,51,54 tracer or AP ammo is easier to find and cheaper, than say .270.

Another thing to consider is that having 'like' guns may also mean that if things really begin to go bad for you, you can cannibalize one gun for parts in order to keep others in action.

39 posted on 06/23/2012 7:11:27 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: familyop; Names Ash Housewares
"name's Ash, Housewares"

Name him, ping him...

40 posted on 06/23/2012 7:12:16 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1250 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: old school

Yes, anytime the criminal mind senses that the cops are too busy to pose an obstacle, crime happens.
In the event of even a mild breakdown of civilization, the cops will all be on traffic duty, minding every intersection with a light — and cleaning up after every accident that happens in the 99% of intersections they’re too understaffed to handle.


41 posted on 06/23/2012 7:13:31 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (God-issued, not govt-issued.)
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To: blam
If you are a prepper and you are living month to month, then you are in a very vulnerable position. What is going to happen to all of your preparations if something goes wrong and you suddenly lose your home to foreclosure? I recommend that everyone have an emergency fund that will be able to cover all bills and expenses for at least six months.

Catch 22. That author lost half his new prepper audience right there. If someone is living month to month, it is nearly impossible to stow away six months living expenses. Sure, it's a good idea for everyone but for many in today's economy, it's just not feasible. Of course, they should have started prepping when times were good and putting back a few paychecks but he's talking about a new prepper so can't play could'a, should'a, would'a.

10. How will I fight off boredom?

Seriously? That's a top 10 concern? If you're that bored, I can certainly find something for you to do - get out and tend the garden, get some water, wash the dishes, wash the clothes, wash yourself, do an inventory on supplies, start digging a new privy, bury the garbage, help with repairs, help rebuild the house, patrol the perimeter, feed the dogs, feed the chickens and rabbits or go barter with the neighbor. The only time you'd likely be bored is sitting in an emergency shelter far from home and your preps so that prepping isn't even in the equation.

42 posted on 06/23/2012 7:14:17 AM PDT by bgill
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To: blam
Just this week three of the biggest banks in the UK stopped or slowed processing transactions. Many were left with NO CASH and NO DEPOSITS!!!

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread853224/pg1

43 posted on 06/23/2012 7:19:28 AM PDT by Ronon
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To: Marcella
If I'm doing it, he's thinking maybe I know something he doesn't.

You do. Those IQ points aren't going to get him very far in a crisis.

44 posted on 06/23/2012 7:28:12 AM PDT by bgill
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To: blam

“Trust no one that you do not personally know. Even the little old lady down the road will rat on you if she is hungry when the SHTF.”

“There are more preppers out there than you might think. Don’t be afraid to reach out and make new friends.”

Which is it? Can’t be both.


45 posted on 06/23/2012 8:06:12 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: null and void; familyop

“10 - Get Educated And Stay Flexible”

“Get educated. More than anything else, avoid the “name Ash, Housewares” (”mountain man”) posture. Extremely dangerous for city slickers or anyone else in many ways unimagined.”

It’s also important to shop smart. Shop S-Mart.

Ya got that!


46 posted on 06/23/2012 11:47:23 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares ( Refusing to kneel before the "messiah".)
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To: Yardstick
Yardstick said: "It is clear to me ..."

There ought to be at least some things with which preppers can agree.

One thing I would propose is that the scenarios for which we prepare are going to be such that MILLIONS of innocent people are going to die and suffer.

Liberals believe that everyone deserves help, no matter how lazy, stupid, or evil they may be.

My belief is that people will need to deserve help. If I were to expect help from someone, I would expect to somehow deserve that help. If that means that I must spend 16 hours a day fetching firewood or water for someone else who was wise enough to stockpile antibiotics, then that is what I expect to do.

If there are angry preppers, then I believe that much of their anger comes from the fact that many of the scenarios we fear and anticipate are entirely UNNECESSARY. It is liberal policies which have mired the world in unpayable debt and created classes of people without the productive capacity to feed themselves. Altruism is a luxury that will be in very short supply.

47 posted on 06/23/2012 12:36:23 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: Names Ash Housewares; null and void
"It’s also important to shop smart. Shop S-Mart.

Ya got that!
"

LOL! Good one. Loved the movies.


48 posted on 06/23/2012 2:51:17 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: blam
"America's Debt Levels Are Falling To Pre-Crisis Levels"

Thank you. Household and bank writedowns/writeoffs, eh? Maybe another slide has begun.


49 posted on 06/23/2012 3:28:06 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: blam
5. Your pets may not survive.

This would mean I was dead. I will defend my pets just a hard as I will my family.

50 posted on 06/23/2012 8:18:18 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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