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90 B61 nuclear bombs at Incirlik Air Base in Turkey (2009)
Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists ^ | 23 NOVEMBER 2009 | ALEXANDRA BELL AND BENJAMIN LOEHRKE

Posted on 06/23/2012 5:20:03 AM PDT by moonshot925

Today, Turkey hosts an estimated 90 B61 gravity bombs at Incirlik Air Base. Fifty of these bombs are reportedly assigned for delivery by U.S. pilots, and forty are assigned for delivery by the Turkish Air Force. However, no permanent nuclear-capable U.S. fighter wing is based at Incirlik, and the Turkish Air Force is reportedly not certified for NATO nuclear missions, meaning nuclear-capable F-16s from other U.S. bases would need to be brought in if Turkey's bombs were ever needed.

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Incirlik Air Base is only 75 miles from the Syrian border.
1 posted on 06/23/2012 5:20:12 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925

Unless terrorists not only get their hands on these bombs, but figure out how to bypass the PAL (Permissive Action Link, prevents unauthorized detonation), it’s all moot.


2 posted on 06/23/2012 5:26:54 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front!)
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To: moonshot925

3 posted on 06/23/2012 5:31:11 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925
Aren't nukes subject to deterioration over time?

What's the shelf life of one of those conventional appearing puppies ?

4 posted on 06/23/2012 5:37:33 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: mkjessup

But this should make Assad think about what he is doing.

The US has nuclear bombs on his border.


5 posted on 06/23/2012 5:38:33 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925
Perhaps so, but Asshat should be more worried about Bibi Netanyahu, who is not only right next door to him, but has nukes and the will to use them.
6 posted on 06/23/2012 5:42:55 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front!)
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To: knarf
shelf life

Long enough.

7 posted on 06/23/2012 5:45:02 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: mkjessup
Things have changed ~ the terrorists trying to take over Syria are Obama's allies. The Turks, on the other hand, also support the terrorists!

Russia has its own bombs ~ and they oppose the terrorists.

Say, where are those Bible Interpretation fella's when you need them ~ is there anything in there about thermonuclear war in Syria?

Bet somebody thought it'd be the Jews taking them out eh!

8 posted on 06/23/2012 5:45:22 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: mkjessup

Bump!

And Bibi does not take orders from Obozo or his master.


9 posted on 06/23/2012 5:47:08 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: knarf

Pu-239 has a half-life of 24,000 years.
U-235 has a half-life of around 700,000,000 years

Nuclear weapons need periodic replacement of “limited life” components, namely the neutron generator, Tritium gas canister, batteries and conventional explosives.

The National Nuclear Security Administration(NNSA) is running Life Extension Programs to modernize and refurbish each of our nuclear warheads.


10 posted on 06/23/2012 5:47:57 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925

“The US has nuclear bombs on his border.”

Maybe so, but we have no intent or will to ever use them.


11 posted on 06/23/2012 5:48:19 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs & most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: mkjessup

You are assuming that they would intend to use the bombs as is.

And yes, a new initiator would be needed, but these are not stupid people.

Also, the fissile materials could be removed and a new low yield bomb created without the fission-fussion-fission cycle. The bomb effects would be sub-kiloton, but the resultant fallout would be a mess.


12 posted on 06/23/2012 5:48:45 AM PDT by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: moonshot925

With Daffy Duck in charge over here, and the situation (Muslim Brotherhood etc) over there...perhaps those weapons should come home.


13 posted on 06/23/2012 5:49:27 AM PDT by ibytoohi (What the hell has happened to my country?)
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To: muawiyah
Say, where are those Bible Interpretation fella's when you need them ~ is there anything in there about thermonuclear war in Syria?

There is specific mention of Damascus being completely destroyed, yes.

“This message came to me concerning Damascus: ‘Look, Damascus will disappear! It will become a heap of ruins. The cities of Aroer will be deserted. Sheep will graze in the streets and lie down unafraid. There will be no one to chase them away. The fortified cities of Israel will also be destroyed, and the power of Damascus will end. The few left in Aram will share the fate of Israel’s departed glory,’ says the Lord Almighty.” Isaiah 17:1-3 (NLT)

14 posted on 06/23/2012 5:49:44 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: moonshot925
OK, thanx

That's a little more YIKES!-ier than what I thought.

I seem to recall a thread here in FR, many years ago, about suitcase dirty bombs that had to be used relatively soon or they were ineffective.

THAT was the basis for my questrion.

15 posted on 06/23/2012 5:52:42 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: mkjessup

Really? You think 90 bombs full of fission material is not significant? Whats the hardest part of making a bomb? I’m not worried about terrorists. I’m worried about the Turkish government getting their hands on them


16 posted on 06/23/2012 5:53:17 AM PDT by Kozak (The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Area weapons should also take out the sheep. Besides, that one already happened ~ and probably more than once.

We need one about rocks melting, air burning, ........

17 posted on 06/23/2012 5:58:23 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Kozak
This is a very entertaining article ~ by the end of the day it ought to have a lot of comments.

Folks rarely think of Turkey as having nuclear arms ~ but it does!

18 posted on 06/23/2012 6:00:00 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Depends on the follow-on timeline, doesn’t it?


19 posted on 06/23/2012 6:09:19 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Kozak; Freeport

You can be sure that IF there was a concerted attempt by terrorists or any other party to try and seize those B61s, they would have to overwhelm U.S. forces dedicated to preserving the safety and ownership of those weapons, and you can also be certain that if it appeared even remotely possible that the weapons might fall into unauthorized hands, that they would be destroyed, fissionable material be damned.

You might want to read up on WS3 (Weapons Storage & Security System) to get a feel for what it would take to steal a nuke.


20 posted on 06/23/2012 6:14:33 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front!)
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To: knarf

Replaceable Limited Life Components or LLC.


21 posted on 06/23/2012 6:40:01 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Kozak

There’s been nukes in Turkey since the Kennedy Administration.


22 posted on 06/23/2012 6:46:24 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: mkjessup

When I was in the Army, the Luftwaffe had a Pershing battalion stationed in Holland, just across the German border, with an American ordance unit having physical custody of the warheads. The warheads were rigged with demolition charges that were to be used if there was any chance that the U.S. would lose control of warheads, unless, of cource, command channels released them. The idea was that the Russians would be a whole lot less likely to attack Germany with nuclear weapons in the event of war in Europe if the Germans had control of 36 Pershing launchers, and at least that many rounds.


23 posted on 06/23/2012 6:50:00 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: moonshot925
Good morning. The article's dateline is 2009. Still interesting, because I spent over a year in TU at TUSLOG Det 67 back in the mid 1970's. We just started to deactivate the Honest Johns...boy, I'm getting old.

5.56mm

24 posted on 06/23/2012 6:55:37 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: ibytoohi
(Muslim Brotherhood etc)

They don't have the balls or the means to take any fully functional tactical nukes in Turkey. Plenty of safeguards would prevent that from happening.

25 posted on 06/23/2012 6:56:09 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
There’s been nukes in Turkey since the Kennedy Administration.

You are absolutely right on that. I know because I loaded them at Incirlik in the late 1960,s as part of a 30 day TDY attachment shared by three F-100D Squadrons. Had 18 months total time at Incirlik The Mk61 (B designation came after I was out), was introduced to us in 1969.

26 posted on 06/23/2012 6:58:20 AM PDT by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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To: Red Steel
There’s been nukes in Turkey since the Kennedy Administration

But in 1960, the legacy of Ataturk meant that Turkey was still secular and not dominated by Muslim fanatics, a movement that was just getting started then.

Turkey is now 99% Muslim and Erdogan has systematically dismembered religious pluralism guarded by the Turkish military.

Turkey should be evicted from NATO and seen for what it now is: a country descending into Muslim madness, a place that will regress to the barbarism and stone age crudity that all of the Arab middle east is becoming.

They should have no access to any American weapons, especially nuclear weapons.

27 posted on 06/23/2012 7:01:35 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: M Kehoe

I think we chatted before; TUSLOG DET 165 67-70


28 posted on 06/23/2012 7:02:58 AM PDT by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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To: Red Steel; All

Never underestimate a determined enemy.


29 posted on 06/23/2012 7:02:58 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1250 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: mkjessup

When I walked around at Incirllik in 1967 in the area that had the nukes, carrying an M-16 and 5 mags, surrounded by a chain link fence, there was only 1 SAT team patroling the entire base. Don’t know if security has been beefed up today.


30 posted on 06/23/2012 7:03:16 AM PDT by NostraDanUS
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To: muawiyah

WHAT ABOUT SYRIA?
Syria is not among the allies listed in the Russian led invasion of Israel. Syria is probably one of Russia’s favorite allies, at least in a geographical sense. Syria is known as a training ground for terrorists. It is believed to be the base of operations for a number of terrorist organizations, including al-Qaeda, Hamas, and the Hezbollah. Syria is directly linked to Iran, Russia, and Iraq.

Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMDs) were never found in Iraq, but not because they did not exist. They were smuggled out of Iraq and into Syria. Satellite pictures showed them being transported to Syria, smuggled out by fifty-six commercial planes with the seats removed. The claim by Iraq was that they were “planes of relief to Syria for a tragedy,” but in actuality, they were Weapons of Mass Destruction. [See The Last Generation: Prophecy, Current World Events, and the End Times for more detailed information, including the sources of this information and their credibility.]

The big question is, “Why isn’t Syria included among the allies in the Russian-led Muslim/Confederacy invasion? The most likely answer is found in the Bible. It concerns a prophecy about the destruction of Damascus [Syria].

The Demise of Damascus [Syria]

“… Behold, Damascus is about to be removed from being a city and will become a fallen ruin … The fortified city will disappear from Ephraim …” (Isaiah 17:1-3).

The city of Damascus is the capital of Syria and is “reputed to be the oldest continuously existing city in the world.” It has been conquered by other countries but never destroyed. As a result, we know that this prophecy has not been fulfilled.

Because of the total devastation described in Isaiah 17, the destruction will probably be nuclear. The most likely country to destroy Damascus is Israel. Damascus would likely use WMDs or a dirty bomb against Israel. Israel’s leaders have already stated that they would react with a nuclear bomb. This could happen any day. We don’t know the timing of this event, but we can assume that it is prior to the Russian invasion. Otherwise, Syria would likely be allied with Russia.

http://focalpointpublications.com/ArticleRussia1/ArticleRussia1.html

Could it be that Damascus is destroyed by American backed rebels, not Israel? If it is true Syria is not an ally of Russia in the Bible, then Assad must fall. Or will we see Russia back Syria for a time, but when they see they are going to lose...use the old tactic of slash and burn during retreat? If Chapter 17 is the prophecy, then Israel will destroy Syria...we just have not seen full reason for that action. The fall of Assad and the takeover by terrorists with WMD would be a trigger for Israel to act though.

Go read the entire Chapter 17. God is often known for irony...Look at verses 12-14 too. United Nations anyone?

So why does Russia get involved? Russia is protecting Assad? No, not quite. Obama and Putin are to do what with nuclear arms after the election? Russia doesn’t have them in Russia. America is but a fool...all that stuff is with Russia’s middle east allies. Russia has a vested interest in protecting Assad from this discovery. But, Russia cannot afford to have those weapons fall into the hands of the rebels either.

God’s plan will come into play and Syria will be but a remnant...


31 posted on 06/23/2012 7:07:07 AM PDT by EBH (Obama took away your American Dreams and replaced them with "Dreams from My (his) Father".)
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To: null and void
Never underestimate a determined enemy.

I have working knowledge of many of the safeguards. Naaw, the US not going to lose control of them.

32 posted on 06/23/2012 7:07:39 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: muawiyah

Didn’t the novel “Alas Babylon” open up with a shoot down over Syria?


33 posted on 06/23/2012 7:11:42 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Goode over evil.)
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To: muawiyah

Didn’t the novel “Alas Babylon” open up with a shoot down over Syria?


34 posted on 06/23/2012 7:11:56 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Goode over evil.)
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To: Wilum
Good morning. We have spoken before reference TU. I can't remember the topic, but then again we have been on this forum quite a number of years.

Have you been back to Turkey since? Closest I came was Greece in the 1980's.

5.56mm

35 posted on 06/23/2012 7:13:42 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Sirius Lee; Alas Babylon!
Didn’t the novel “Alas Babylon” open up with a shoot down over Syria?

Dunno, let's ping him.

36 posted on 06/23/2012 7:19:58 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1250 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: Red Steel
I have working knowledge of many of the safeguards. Naaw, the US not going to lose control of them.

I sure hope you're right.

37 posted on 06/23/2012 7:22:27 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1250 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: NostraDanUS
When I walked around at Incirllik in 1967 in the area that had the nukes,

We probably crossed paths several times, I loaded them.

38 posted on 06/23/2012 7:22:37 AM PDT by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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To: muawiyah

Turkey doesn’t have nuclear arms. We have nuclear arms in Turkey.


39 posted on 06/23/2012 7:24:04 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: moonshot925
If nuclear capable US planes have to be brought in to deliver these nukes what is the value of having them stored there? I was also under the impression that only US forces were authorized to deliver US nukes and find it kind of scary that there is at least a scenario for non US forces to use them.
40 posted on 06/23/2012 7:25:44 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: M Kehoe
Nope, never got back to Turkey or Spain where I was PCS. After all those flying hours in a KC-97 from Spain to Turkey (8-10 hours each way) and back I'm afraid my desire for flight wained a long time ago LOL.
41 posted on 06/23/2012 7:29:30 AM PDT by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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To: The Great RJ

The Turkish AF can only deliver per our instructions. We have total control. They aren’t their weapons to use at their own discretion.


42 posted on 06/23/2012 7:32:53 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator
The Turkish AF can only deliver per our instructions

There are codes the pilot needs to successfully deploy the weapon and several other "preset" conditions must be met. Don't know how much is declassified now so that's as far as I will go.

43 posted on 06/23/2012 7:43:10 AM PDT by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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To: muawiyah
Bible Interpretation fella's Bible Interpretation fella's

Isaiah 17 in a nut shell = In the evening there is trouble, by the dawn Damacus ceases to be a city and man will never live there again...

90% of Syria lives in Damascus, it is a bowl shaped city with over 4 million occupants. One can speculate that the lack of humans living there indicate a ground burst. Only thing is that the USA is the only country that has a nuclear bunker buster. So its kinda interesting.

44 posted on 06/23/2012 7:43:48 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Wilum

I’m aware of conditions. I had a TS/SCI in the USAF.


45 posted on 06/23/2012 7:46:09 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator
I had a TS/SCI in the USAF

Glad to make your acquaintance Gator.

Wilum
307th TFS Weapons 66-70
TS/BI

46 posted on 06/23/2012 7:50:48 AM PDT by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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To: moonshot925

is this useful information to be discussing in public domain?


47 posted on 06/23/2012 7:53:19 AM PDT by silverleaf (Every human spent about half an hour as a single cell)
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To: Wilum; EEGator
Enter the wrong code, and the weapon locks down. Permanently.

I think it takes a trip to Panex for disassembly and rebuild to revitalize it.

Oh, and God help anyone who doesn't disassemble it in precisely the way Panex does.

48 posted on 06/23/2012 7:53:51 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1250 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: Wilum

Nice to meet you as well Wilum.

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49 posted on 06/23/2012 7:55:00 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: silverleaf
is this useful information to be discussing in public domain?

Yes. But to whom is the question...

50 posted on 06/23/2012 7:55:54 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1250 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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