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Mostly evil but not stupid
Email | June 23, 2012 | Van Jones' flunkies

Posted on 06/23/2012 11:04:37 AM PDT by Bryanw92

Bryan, check out this list of ways Senate Republicans have proposed to pay for keeping student loan rates at 3.4%, and see if you can spot the pattern:

- Gut a preventative health care program - Limit how many years students are eligible for loans, making college far more expensive for part-time students - Force middle-class federal workers to pay more for their retirement - Scale back the number of folks using Medicaid1

You see it? A generation is drowning in debt for having the audacity to get an education, and these people are only willing to help if they can punch the middle class and poor in the mouth while they're at it.

SIGN: "To the Senate GOP: We're on to you. Pass a fair deal that helps everyone."

The argument over whether interest rates should stay at a low 3.4% is basically over. We won. Heck, even Mr. 1% himself, Mitt Romney, wants rates to stay low,2 and that guy's basically doing whatever the far right says he should at this point.

But it's possible to win the argument and lose the fight. Lower rates means the government earns less in interest. That costs money. And that's where the battle is now -- how to pay for this.

Yesterday, President Obama spoke to a group of students at the White House and called once again for Congress to act. Democrats have proposed a bunch of perfectly reasonable ideas, including just closing giant tax loopholes for a handful of rich business owners.3 Republicans in Congress, meanwhile, balk at any proposal that asks big banks, the super-rich, or even just regular old millionaires, to pay a damn cent more.

These guys are mostly evil, but not completely stupid. If we show that voters know what they're up to, they'll strike a fair deal. And if we can win in the Senate, there's a good chance the House will follow.

If at least 50,000 folks add their name, we'll send the signatures to GOP Leader Mitch McConnell's office. Sign now.

This shouldn't be hard. We're not asking for loan forgiveness or cheaper tuition (right now). We just don't want them to make things worse. That should be doable -- even by Washington's standards...

8 days to go, Colin and the rest of the Rebuild the Dream team

Sources: 1) "White House Skeptical of GOP Student Loan Proposals," Washington Post - June 5, 2012 2) "Romney Backs Extending Lowered Student Loan Rates," CNN - April 23, 2012 3) "Senator Reid Makes New Offer on Student Loans," Reuters - June 7, 2012


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: leftist; rebuildthedream; vanity; vanjones
>>These guys are mostly evil, but not completely stupid.

I receieved this in email today. These people are proto-nazis and don't even realize it. I guess we know how the German people did what they did in the 30's and 40's.

1 posted on 06/23/2012 11:04:42 AM PDT by Bryanw92
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To: Bryanw92

I’d ask them how it feels to be victims of big education. The evil Big Ed types have conned them into thinking that getting a doctorate in womens studies will do something other than get them hopelessly in debt while the Universities continue to make millions and always want more.


2 posted on 06/23/2012 11:12:37 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: Bryanw92
A generation is drowning in debt for having the audacity to get an education, and these people are only willing to help if they can punch the middle class and poor in the mouth while they're at it.

With all due respect, student loan debt is an optional obligation. It should be tempered with Parents' advice on curriculum, major, etc. supplemented with all the parents can provide. In other words, the worth, and the more important "return on investment," ROI, are the final determining factors.

The fact that Obama has chosen to subsume the individual banks' responsibility for these loans is the crux of the problem which lays the burden directly on the middle and upper classes (BTW, everyone should know by now, the lower class doesn't pay for anything they use)

So, it isn't audacity of presuming it is the result of poor choices and Obama's dictatorial madness and what seems is, for now, unfettered control of the lifelines of the US. Don't blame Republicans for this. It was Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Holder, Napalitano, and all the rest of the bastards that infest our government.

3 posted on 06/23/2012 11:13:56 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Bryanw92

How many BILLIONS of dollars is Harvard’s sheltered endowment?

The school COSTS are excessive and the public is supposed to pick up the slack by eating unpaid student loans.

Nope. Not gon’ do it. Wouldn’t be prudent.


4 posted on 06/23/2012 11:17:10 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The media ignored the 40th anniversary of Bill Ayers' Pentagon bombing but not Watergate. Ask Why.)
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To: jdsteel

How much is a textbook today? $90? $120? $145? What’s the “buyback” price at Barnes & Noble’s monopolized student bookstore racket? $15?

How often do courses “upgrade” to the new edition to prevent students from reselling perfectly good used (overpriced) texts?

It’s an organized interstate racket. RICO laws should apply. Seize the ill gotten gains.


5 posted on 06/23/2012 11:20:26 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The media ignored the 40th anniversary of Bill Ayers' Pentagon bombing but not Watergate. Ask Why.)
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To: Bryanw92

Ouch!

“Pass a fair deal that helps everyone.”

FAIRNESS through Govt that HELPS EVERYONE

Wow. Do you use Comet, Drano, or this to clean your mail box after stuff like this mess. shows up in it?

http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/easy-off-heavy-duty-oven-cleaner/ID=prod4200-product


6 posted on 06/23/2012 11:23:02 AM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: Gaffer
These loans are not dischargeable in a bankruptcy. Most of them are also co-signed by folks with property and good credit.

They should be marketable at rates only a tiny bit higher than the cheapest 30 year mortgage.

There are no sound economic reasons for imagining the interest rates should increase 100%.

7 posted on 06/23/2012 11:26:16 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: jdsteel

Did you notice how, in this period of high unemployment, many new on-line “Universities” advertise their wares, and how they almost guarantee success in one’s job search after graduation?


8 posted on 06/23/2012 11:34:06 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: muawiyah

Then complain to Obama. Or, when you sign a contract, read the fine print. Thinking of bankruptcy as an option is exactly what is wrong with this country. Lastly, choice was an option here, not audacity to hope.....that crap sounds like Obama.


9 posted on 06/23/2012 11:36:41 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: jdsteel

If they’re so all fired up about the price of higher Ed. ask them WHY their own house needs a cleaning. Their people are in charge in Ca. and we all know what a terrific job Ca. has done with Everything they’ve touched.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/UC-regents-powerhouse-chief-Richard-Blum-3287474.php

Sen. Feinstein’s husband.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jul/14/business/la-fi-hiltzik-column-20100714


10 posted on 06/23/2012 11:42:23 AM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: jdsteel
Bumper sticker; "I learned about racism, in public school." What about you? They teach this shite, folks. Keep 'em seperated.
11 posted on 06/23/2012 11:42:23 AM PDT by NowApproachingMidnight (“Civilizations die from suicide, not murder.")
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To: Gaffer
Thinking of bankruptcy ~ on the part of the folks you are loaning money to is a quite rational thing to do.

Let's say you have a million bucks and you have two applicants wanting you to loan them the money.

One of them will use it for a purpose which prohibits the loan being discharged in case of bankruptcy. The other guy is going to use it for a purpose which involves property of equal value.

The interest rates are the same. The terms are the same.

Which loan is the safer loan? And that's for YOU as the lender, not for the borrower!

You certainly can't be opposed to lenders evaluating risk in case of bankruptcy on the part of the borrowers can you?

12 posted on 06/23/2012 11:47:34 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Gaffer

How large can these debts be anyway, 4 years at the in-state college with a frugal lifestyle is about 15K/year? Presumably if the student has merit grants my offset something too. Something needs to be contributed along the way, can a debt for an undergrad exceed the cost of a car?

For graduate school, if one is good enough they can get by on an assistantship.

These apocryphal large debts must be for people who went to Ivy league schools and borrowed huge amounts while doing little on their own in most cases.


13 posted on 06/23/2012 11:53:58 AM PDT by wrencher
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To: Gaffer

Several years ago I attended a graduation at a major school. Almost all the master’s and doctor’s degrees in the hard sciences were awarded to students with hard to pronounce names. The degrees to the Anglo students were in psychology, counseling and finance etc. The trend in higher education is away from objective knowledge into softer forms of knowledge. Not even computer science gets much reward , because the field has got too comperitive.


14 posted on 06/23/2012 11:57:55 AM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: NowApproachingMidnight
Shouldn't that say:

"I Learned Racism in Public School"?

(I'd love to know where you're getting your blinking ink)...

15 posted on 06/23/2012 12:00:16 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1250 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: jdsteel; Gaffer

When my neice was graduating from high school, I asked her what she was going to study in college. She said that she wanted to study music history, so I asked her what kind of job do you need that degree for?

She answered back with that kind of superiority that only leftists and teenagers (but I’m being redundant, aren’t I?) can have and asked me “When do you become so corrupted that everything becomes about money?”

I answered back, “The first time you have to pay all your own bills and there isn’t enough money left to eat.”


16 posted on 06/23/2012 12:06:12 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: muawiyah
Actually paying back a loan for a student is the farthest thing from their mind; bankruptcy is just the last consideration for them when they realize they screwed up getting a philosophy or policial science degree - or even worse - [ugh] counseling which means minimum wage at the local city handout line helping appliCANT's read and fill out their welfare forms. Then, every waking moment is spent on figuring out how to get the loan forgiven, or just plain walk away. Of course, business, home and other SECURED loans are taken more seriously. Education loans are an afterthought that are dangled in front of the meatsack mushes who think counseling is a career.....we differ on this - okay I get it. Trying to equate logical business or personal responsibility to loans with school loans is pointless.

If some smart kid wants a good education, go to the military, take some apptitude tests for a medical career etc....chances are they'd fund the whole thing....I have one former employee who's doing exactly that right now. I'm not into hypotheticals today - only reality.

17 posted on 06/23/2012 12:08:49 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Bryanw92
I would hazard to guess that when your young niece graduates, she will marvel at how smart you've become. Since she knew it all before she left and got older, it must have been you that finally got a clue....[needs no sarcasm tag, I think]
18 posted on 06/23/2012 12:13:12 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

>>I would hazard to guess that when your young niece graduates, she will marvel at how smart you’ve become. Since she knew it all before she left and got older, it must have been you that finally got a clue....[needs no sarcasm tag, I think]

She graduated 10 years ago, but she did change major to Music Therapy and Education while in college because she knew she needed to find a job some day.

However, she moved to NYC and became a teacher after graduation, so she’s still soooooo much smarter and worldly than us hicks back home.


19 posted on 06/23/2012 12:28:33 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92
However, she moved to NYC and became a teacher after graduation, so she’s still soooooo much smarter and worldly than us hicks back home.

LOL, yet saddened. Perhaps she'll catch on in time to prepare for the future. At that age many still don't realize that dying with the most toys or fanciest life doesn't mean much.

20 posted on 06/23/2012 1:07:01 PM PDT by ken in texas (I was taught to respect my elders but it keeps getting harder to find any.)
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To: Bryanw92

Is it not ironic that again a politician, in this case the POTUS, can only see a solution where citizens borrow more money. Far be it from the POTUS to look at the broader picture and ask why tuition rates have increased twice as fast as the rate of inflation over the past three decades. Is it possible the government itself has created another bubble by guaranteeing college loans, making them available to virtually anyone for any kind of degree? So the colleges being smart business people simply increase the tuition costs since they know the government will provide loans to the students, regardless of the value of the degree.
But the narrow minded POTUS makes an issue of a 1 or 2 point change in the interest when the more salient issue is the inflated cost of tuition. And he asks no questions as to the value of the non-science degrees in the job market.


21 posted on 06/23/2012 1:13:04 PM PDT by RLM
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To: RLM

>>Is it not ironic that again a politician, in this case the POTUS, can only see a solution where citizens borrow more money.

There’s nothing ironic about it. It’s all according to plan. You make sure that children graduate from high school with no education. Then, you herd them into college and force them into debt that will ruin their lives during early adulthood, limiting their family, job, and location choices. By the time they are middle age, they are beaten and just trying to survive. Then, they can age and be grateful for an early death at the hands of a benevolent government death panel.

You take all that hopelessness and then take away their connection to God and you have the Marxist “utopia” that 9 out of 10 dictators prefer!


22 posted on 06/23/2012 2:18:45 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: wrencher

I did four years at about 5k a year, ended with zero debt.

Took me 8 years going to school and working, but it got done.


23 posted on 06/23/2012 2:24:38 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: Bryanw92

In the first place the Government has no business loaning any one money to go to college.

Any man or woman that can work and put them selves through college are trust worthy and they are numerous, but the ones who gets help from the Government to go to school will most likely end up in Government and keep on robbing the tax payers.

Get Government out of every thing that was meant to be FREE interprize.


24 posted on 06/23/2012 9:05:03 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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