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Reason's Nick Gillespie Schools Rachel Maddow and Bill Maher on Fast and Furious
News Buster.org ^ | June 23, 2012 | Noel Sheppard

Posted on 06/23/2012 11:53:51 AM PDT by Kaslin

One of the finest examples of how liberal media members really don't know what they're talking about occurred on HBO's Real Time Friday when Reason's Nick Gillespie gave a much-needed education to MSNBC's Rachel Maddow and host Bill Maher on the issue of Fast and Furious.

In the end, Maddow and Maher embarrassed themselves in a fashion that should have both of their respective networks seriously concerned about their qualifications to disseminate information to the public (video follows with transcript and commentary):

Reason's Nick Gillespie Schools Rachel Maddow and Bill Maher on Fast and Furious

RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC: I think it is, you know, if you believe that Shirley Sherrod was a horrible reverse racist at the Department of Agriculture...

BILL MAHER, HOST: [Laughs] Yes.

MADDOW: ...and if you believe a guy in a pimp suit exposed Planned Parenthood as sex slavers, then yeah, this is the kind of thing that the mainstream media ought to be following Fox too as well. It is based on a crazy conspiracy theory that the Bush, the Obama administration is fomenting gun violence in Mexico in order to make Americans anti-gun…

NICK GILLESPIE, REASON: No.

MADDOW: …so that they can rescind the second amendment.

BILL MAHER, HOST: Right. It’s kind of the, it's the Right's... GILLESPIE: No, wait, wait, wait, wait. The scandal is that the ATF, which, you know, their high watermark before this was the Waco standoff, where instead of being disbanded they got to be in charge of explosives as well as alcohol, tobacco, and firearms. They were running an organization, an operation where they were not even telling the Mexican government as in past things where this kind of operation...

MAHER: Started under Bush, right?

GILLESPIE: That was a different operation.

MADDOW: Same ideas.

GILLESPIE: Yeah, but they were also in cahoots with the actual Mexican authorities, whoever those might be. But, so you have Eric Holder saying, “No, this wasn’t going on.” Then it’s, “Oh yes, it is going on.” This is, this is a massive screw up, and there is something worth checking out here. It’s not about whether or not Obama’s going to take away the second amendment or anything like that. Eric Holder doesn’t know what’s going on in the organizations that he runs, just like he says, “We’re not waging war on medical marijuana dispensaries in California,” where they’ve made more raids in three years than Bush managed to do in eight or Clinton managed to do.

MAHER: Should he be held in contempt though? Is it…

GILLESPIE: Yeah, well…

MAHER: Really?

GILLESPIE: If he’s not playing by the rules of Congress, and this is not a straight executive power thing because the ATF is a, is a joint Congress and executive branch thing.

Exactly.

It's quite clear Maddow, knowing the show, the host, and the audience, believed she was going to be able to just speak Democrat talking points and Maher would back her up.

Unfortunately for the two of them - but quite beneficial for viewers at home! - Gillespie was there to counter the propaganda.

In so doing, Gillespie exposed Maher as a total nincompoop without any understanding of what he's talking about.

NewsBusters readers know full well I've been exposing that for years.

But far more important, Gillespie showed Maddow to also be a shameless shill lacking the facts on this matter but willing to present the administration's side regardless of the truth.

As Maher is just a comedian with a television show on HBO, him being outed as an idiot is really just sauce for the goose. I demonstrate Maher's deplorably low intellectual capacity so often it's become a sport.

Maddow on the other hand is an unjustifiably well-respected anchor on a so-called cable news network.

That she could be so easily exposed as devoid of the facts in a friendly environment with a supportive host and an adoring audience should seriously concern folks at NBC and MSNBC about the woman they've propped up as the brightest in their organization.

If Maddow really is the best NBC News has to offer, there's no wonder it's "struggling," "slipping," and "adrift" in the ratings war.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: alteredsource; banglist; billmaher; fastandfurious; hbo; lesbianwitch; maddow; maher; maherthestupid; nbc; rachelmaddow; radicalmadcow

1 posted on 06/23/2012 11:54:00 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Amazing that Maher and Maddow are try to paint this as a Reichstag fire planned by the Republicans LOL!

Typical Lib transference


2 posted on 06/23/2012 12:07:07 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Kaslin

Once again we see evidence of the idiocy and evil of TV. Can we just cut these folks off at the knees and stop funding them. Is that really too much to ask?


3 posted on 06/23/2012 12:11:12 PM PDT by RichardMoore (There is only one issue- Life: dump TV and follow a plant based diet)
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To: Kaslin
The Department of Justice ’ s Operation Fast and Furious: Accounts of ATF Agents

(above) Four ATF field agents testify under oath that they "never even heard of intentionally letting guns "walk" before F&F."

‘Wide Receiver’ CI: ‘It had nothing to do with Bush or even DOJ’

New Documents Highlight Differences in Bush-Era, Obama-Era Gunrunner Investigations

Operation Wide Receiver vs. Operation Fast and Furious

Mexico's Gun Supply and the 90 Percent Myth


4 posted on 06/23/2012 12:27:34 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Kaslin

Amazing. Gillespie doesn’t know a whole lot more than they do. And his argument was as full of commissions as omissions. Someone ought to send him Andrew McCarthy’s 5-page NR article (posted on FR today) or at least refer him to Holder’s two (possibly three) “misstatements” to Congress. Good grief, Roger Clemens almost got 5 yrs. for “misstating” to Congress, and the investigation of his case didn’t involve directly traceable deaths! Not to mention that the Executive Privilege invoked by the Prez would, other than in the Obama world of Oz, imply if not prove that Obama not only knew about F&F, but long before any date he’s “erroneously” cited.


5 posted on 06/23/2012 12:31:30 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: Kaslin
Maher and Maddow’s (false)talking point: Bush did it! They need a new lie, and the race card won't cut it this time. This is a perfect opportunity for the RINOs to show some guts in an election year. I pray they won't completely blow it.
6 posted on 06/23/2012 12:33:48 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Kaslin
Some Dem congressional staffer slipped Maddow some talking points and she smarmingly read them to her audience, who in turn, posted them on DU.

They are in for a big surprise, but don't know it. Issa has meticulously laid a solid foundation and Maddow’s idiot followers are about a year behind on F&F information. Imagine their surprise.

7 posted on 06/23/2012 12:41:49 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: ozzymandus

Rush said there was a 2 YEAR SPAN between the time the Bush operation closed down and F and F started. There is NO WAY this can be blamed on Bush.


8 posted on 06/23/2012 12:47:30 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: TigersEye

9 posted on 06/23/2012 12:48:27 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: He is counting on the ignorantOne Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Of course not. Operation Wide Receiver ended in 2007 and Fast and Furious began in October 2009, that was in the 10th month after that lazy, lying pos’ inauguration


10 posted on 06/23/2012 12:53:56 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: He is counting on the ignorantOne Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

They probably can’t fire her because she is of a protected special class of “folks”- the gays. It would be a “hate” firing, discriminatory and homophobic.

The LGBTQetc community is so driven with trying to be accepted as normal,they don’t seem to be able to even peek out of the window once they are out of the closet.

They can’t stand to face or see normal, because it reminds them of how abnormal THEY are!...Their brains seem to be committed full time to proving us “breeders” are wrong about everything... it literally takes over their entire view of the world. What’s sad is they really DO want to be normal and get married, have kids, a house etc.But their perversion takes presidence over everything; it is the voice they choose to obey.

So, to compensate, they live in their own world complete with their own news and she is their Walter Cronkite...and no matter what we do, we will always be the enemy,always be wrong, always be a Bible thumping clinger,always be the scapegoat because they live as children and will never take responsibilty for their own actions.

I would like to see them really DO something positive for this country that has given them so much; instead, the best they can muster is making movies which are completely false about conservatives as bad people and liberals as good people, or offer up more of the same snarkiness that they never seem to run out of....why not do something good for a change?


11 posted on 06/23/2012 12:54:34 PM PDT by homegroan (Veni, Vedi, Velcro and Ranting...since 1998)
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To: Kaslin; Jim Robinson

Was it only a Democrat Assault on the 2nd Amendment? which is horrific in and of itself!
Or is Fast & Furious even worse? A Massive Payoff and Blackmail paid to the Drug Cartels??? We know how dirty Obama & Co. are and all that is hidden in Obama’s Past and Others!
Didn’t more than $ 50 Million and maybe up to $100 Million get spent on Fast & Furious? Yet only 2000 Assault Weapons changed hands! At a generous $2000 per Weapon, that only accounts for $ 4 Million of Taxpayer funds!And now we know the Agencies were ordered to stand down and no tracing or investigative expenses!! Where did the Money GO???


12 posted on 06/23/2012 1:12:39 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD SAVE OUR AMERICA from ALLAH and his Prophet, HUSSEIN OBAMA!!)
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To: True Republican Patriot

P.S! We know the Gun Runners PAID FOR THEIR WEAPONS WITH CASH!! so forget the $ 4 Million I wrongly stated that the American Taxpayer would normally be charged for these Weapons! If in fact FAST and FURIOUS!! was actually Legitimate and Honest!!


13 posted on 06/23/2012 1:16:49 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD SAVE OUR AMERICA from ALLAH and his Prophet, HUSSEIN OBAMA!!)
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To: Kaslin
I'm not sure where that Wide Receiver data came from, but the total guns involved and total arrests are WAY high from all the other stories I have read.

I have read UP TO 500 guns, and as low of a number as 11 indictments.

14 posted on 06/23/2012 1:17:31 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: Kaslin

So why do I only hear this from Rush and on FR? Can we get the facts out? They get the lies out pretty quickly.


15 posted on 06/23/2012 1:18:52 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Kaslin

Thank you.


16 posted on 06/23/2012 1:22:01 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: DAC21

Pray tell your unnamed sources?
Thought sooooooooooooo!!


17 posted on 06/23/2012 1:22:36 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD SAVE OUR AMERICA from ALLAH and his Prophet, HUSSEIN OBAMA!!)
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To: Kaslin
Well, in all honesty, Gillespie could do with a bit of schooling himself. It is simply because Maddow and Maher are so dim that Gillespie comes off as knowledgeable.
18 posted on 06/23/2012 1:30:33 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Tom Blumer of PJ Media has reported about this many times and the articles have been posted here by several FReepers and myself


19 posted on 06/23/2012 1:39:37 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: He is counting on the ignorantOne Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

Hi Chick,

People around here wonder why conservatives go on these moonbat liberal shows. This why.


20 posted on 06/23/2012 1:42:19 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Kaslin

Anyone who thinks maher has a shred of intelligence or comedic talent ought to check out his filmography.


21 posted on 06/23/2012 1:48:59 PM PDT by DPMD
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To: Kaslin
Maddow is just working for her pimp Obama.
22 posted on 06/23/2012 2:39:07 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Kaslin

That is excellent! Did you do that? Saved to print out. Good job.


23 posted on 06/23/2012 3:17:16 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Kaslin

HOORAY Nick Gillespie! I wouldn’t watch or listen to either of them (or view the clip in this thread) but, HOORAY Nick Gillespie!


24 posted on 06/23/2012 3:24:24 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Kaslin
Wide Receiver, point #2: I have a hard time with that. "To find out who they were."

You gotta be kidding me. With all the intel power we have at our disposal, we don't have enough on them already, without the gun angle? I don't get that. There has to be more to it.

25 posted on 06/23/2012 4:32:31 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: mylife

MURDERGATE


26 posted on 06/23/2012 4:37:38 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Barack Milhouse Obama has some splainin’ to do.
Wheres Woodward and Bernstein when we need them?


27 posted on 06/23/2012 5:19:22 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: True Republican Patriot

I am beginning to think like you do. I don’t think that Obama/Holder/Napolitano really believed that increased Mexican and border violence because of lax US gun laws, even if proven, would be enough to convince the American public to throw out the 2nd amendment. It is too much of a stretch, the chance of it working that way is not sure enough to justify the risk of such an operation. It is more likely something worse than the current narrative from our side.


28 posted on 06/23/2012 11:48:25 PM PDT by Sicvee (Sicvee)
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To: Sicvee; Jim Robinson

Learned awhile ago that Reality is can always be far worse than anything one can dream up as Fiction!!!!!!!
Looks like America has been attacked from the Worst and Most dangerous of It’s Enemies. and they conned themselves right into Our Most Honored, most Powerful and Protective Office of Our United States! The President ruling from Our Oval Office is a Proven Terrorist far Worse than Osama Bin Ladin ever dreamed he could be!
May GOD SAVE OUR AMERICA from The Muslim Brotherhood and It’s PLants and Operatives! and It’s Prophet from Allah, Barsck Hussein Obama, aka: Barry Soetoro and only Allah knows who this Fraud really is and what his real History actually is!!
P.S.: You can bet PUTIN and the Chinese know everything about this wretched Fraud and Prostitute....No wonder Putin looks at him as the sole of a shoe!


29 posted on 06/24/2012 5:52:51 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD SAVE OUR AMERICA from ALLAH and his Prophet, HUSSEIN OBAMA!!)
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To: Kaslin; Jim Robinson

Can you revise this and post it correctly, please!
Operation Wide Receiver never transferred 1400 weapons, they never transferred more than 400 from the Phoenix Office Tracking and most probably only 300 before shutting it down immediately when they discovered the Cartels had caught on and were then disarming the RDIF’s and hence the ability to trace the weapons. I believe the actual number of arrests under Wide Receiver was in fact 1400 plus!
Your Chart is Priceless and so Informative that I hope You can correct this and We and the Patriots can plaster it over the Entire Universe! Obama MURDERED Innocent Citizens and must be put on Trial for the Worst of Mass Murders and TREASON NOT DREAMED OF BY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS!
WAKE UP AMERICA!!


30 posted on 06/24/2012 6:02:43 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD SAVE OUR AMERICA from ALLAH and his Prophet, HUSSEIN OBAMA!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Will Check out my posts on this thread and offer your thoughts and input which I always greatly respect and honor?
You might also check out a few of the posts related to Fast and Furious which may go much further than just potical fraud and quite possibly to Blacmail and Paybacks to Drug Cartels.....Is ther any chance Rush, Hannity and the others will finally wake up to the true depth of this atrocity and Murderous Crime Spree perpetrated by the terrorists now ruling the White House?


31 posted on 06/24/2012 6:11:20 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD SAVE OUR AMERICA from ALLAH and his Prophet, HUSSEIN OBAMA!!)
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To: True Republican Patriot

Their e-mail addresses are at their websites. Send them the links and other information you have and see what happens. I have received personal e-mails back from Rush, Helen Thomas (very nasty) and Brit Hume, amongst others.


32 posted on 06/24/2012 9:26:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (In honor of my late father, GunnerySgt/Commo Chief, USMC 1943-65)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thank you, and I will e-mail Rush, Hannity, Brit and mark Levin this afternoon. And I will ignore that Old Witch, Helen Thomas since she was nasty to You! :-)I think I will send her a mirror! That should really upset her.....


33 posted on 06/25/2012 9:25:22 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD SAVE OUR AMERICA from ALLAH and his Prophet, HUSSEIN OBAMA!!)
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