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Guest Post: Military Rolls Tanks Onto St. Louis Streets...But Why?
Zero Hedge ^ | 6/23/2012 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 06/23/2012 12:38:08 PM PDT by JohnKinAK

Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt-Market

Military Rolls Tanks Onto St. Louis Streets...But Why?

I have to say that this event, which is being labeled a "training exercise", makes very little sense to me. U.S. Army troops all the way from Maryland running open exercises in armored personnel carriers on the busy streets of St. Louis? I know Maryland is a small state, but is there really not enough room at Ft. Detrick to accommodate a tank column and some troops? Are there not entire fake neighborhood and town complexes built with taxpayer dollars on military bases across the country meant to facilitate a realistic urban environment for troops to train in? And why travel hundreds of miles to Missouri? At the very least, this is a massive waste of funds.

On the other hand, such an action on the part of the Department of Defense makes perfect sense if the goal is to acclimate citizens to the idea of seeing tanks and armed military acting in a policing capacity. Just check out the two random idiots the local news affiliate picked to interview in St. Louis on the subject. Both state that they think the exercise is a "great idea", because having the military on the streets would help to "reduce crime":

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/06/us-military-to-run-urban-exercises-in-north-st-louis-residents-hope-it-will-cut-down-on-crime/

I suspect that the news affiliate did not go out of its way to get any counter-opinions, even though they admitted to being contacted by those voicing concerns over martial law.

Even so, it's sad and simultaneously terrifying that there are plenty of mindless dupes out there who do not understand the dangers of the Army crossing the Rubicon and acting in a civil law enforcement capacity, never mind that they are completely ignorant of the fact that it violates the Posse Comitatus Act. One of the interviewees even points out that in some countries they don't use police at all; only military. This is true. We call those countries "tyrannies"...

Add to the mix the reality that the DOD refuses to respond to any further inquiries by the press concerning details of the training, and you get yet another suspicious instance of behavior on the part of the establishment that seems preparatory for domestic action. I believe that the high frequency at which these activity reports have been coming in over the past year is certainly cause for alarm...


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Armor in the streets, Drones overhead......welcome to the fundamentally changed Amerika. SNAFU

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1 posted on 06/23/2012 12:38:14 PM PDT by JohnKinAK
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

So much for Posse Comitatus.


2 posted on 06/23/2012 12:48:42 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: JohnKinAK

There is an unmarked C-130 flying low around Vermont and nobody knows to whom it belongs.


3 posted on 06/23/2012 12:49:06 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (TSA?? Who knew?)
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To: JohnKinAK

What units are involved?


4 posted on 06/23/2012 12:54:07 PM PDT by omega4412
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To: JohnKinAK
The new Obama Waffen SS—loyal only to their fascist fuhrer and ready to do only his personal bidding in the event of civil war—due the day after election day if he loses..
5 posted on 06/23/2012 12:55:21 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("You may call me a racist but I insist Obama is not God.")
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To: JohnKinAK; mnehring; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you need to threaten to report me to the Admin if I don’t add you to the list...

6 posted on 06/23/2012 12:57:02 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1250 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: JohnKinAK

OMG!!!! PANIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


7 posted on 06/23/2012 12:59:27 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: JohnKinAK

People are hardly aware of the fact that we have undergone a political and social revolution over the last 50 years. Those who were once outside the Western Eurpoean social structure have now almost completely taken over: i.e. blacks, perverts, foreigners, non-christians etc. They have been taking the jobs, the places in our schools, places in our government, driving the white Western European ever lower into poverty. They verbally insult and degrade us. They engage in violent assaults on us on our streets. While more stupid than us they have enough intelligence to realize that their conduct may precipitate a counter attack.(Though I doubt it!)They have been scrambling to create a military that will upon orders ruthlessly suppress and physical counter attack; i.e Gays, Aliens, weird women that see themselves to be “just like a man!” This type of military needs practice. Once highly trained as to the proper target and supression techniques those who only now have achieved power will feel confident enough to start the actual sack with the plunder of property, the rape of women and boys and the killing of males.


8 posted on 06/23/2012 1:02:20 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: bunkerhill7

Most low flying unmarked planes in NE are looking for pot plants/growing areas in the woods (stills too as well as questionable campsites/trailers in the woods that may be drug related)...that’s what our LEO friends tell us anyway....it’s a full time job and they have had a lot of success with it in NE-so I guess it’s Vermont’s turn!

Welcome to the War!


9 posted on 06/23/2012 1:03:09 PM PDT by homegroan (Veni, Vedi, Velcro and Ranting...since 1998)
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To: JohnKinAK

Freepers who vilified democrat Gov. Kathleen Blanco after hurricane Katrina should reflect that she was very properly resisting a federal power grab. Notwithstanding her politics, I always supported her insistance on retaining local control of the National Guard. People not from New Orleans don’t get that government at all levels viewed the storm’s aftermath as an opportunity to mounvt a dress rehearsal for martial law. SAR was merely an excuse and byproduct. What y’all saw on tv was mostly a show. Here at street level I can tell you it was all about military and paramilitary units finding out just how unconstitutional they could be when attention is distracted. The answer is — very.


10 posted on 06/23/2012 1:04:07 PM PDT by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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To: JohnKinAK

I would think the tanks would tear up the streets.


11 posted on 06/23/2012 1:06:10 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: Romulus

Yes Blanco did a wonderful job of keeping things in control.


12 posted on 06/23/2012 1:06:43 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
So much for Posse Comitatus.

That only applies when the administration is Republican.

13 posted on 06/23/2012 1:06:51 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: JohnKinAK

Save Anheuser-Busch...save the world.


14 posted on 06/23/2012 1:07:13 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Happy Rain

“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.” Barack Hussein Obama, 7/2/2008

They don’t call it a Civil Defense force, that would imply we need (or perhaps deserve) defense.

The official name is National Civilian Community Corps.

I think of it as the NATCCC, or simply the NATCs...


15 posted on 06/23/2012 1:08:09 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1250 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: JohnKinAK
I wish the lamestreamers had included at least one interview with one of the soldiers who was thinking, “What the f**k are we doing here?”
16 posted on 06/23/2012 1:09:59 PM PDT by immadashell
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To: JohnKinAK
so they DROVE from Maryland to St.Louis to train troops in St.Louis how to drive them instead of FLYING the troops to the vehicles... BRILLIANT!!!
17 posted on 06/23/2012 1:21:36 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: null and void

I see Apache Longbows flying around here quite often. But I guess since they’re made only a few miles away doesn’t mean anything....or does it? Now, a tank would make me go, hmmmm.


18 posted on 06/23/2012 1:21:40 PM PDT by azishot
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To: JohnKinAK; Squantos; Travis McGee
I have to say that this event, which is being labeled a "training exercise", makes very little sense to me. U.S. Army troops all the way from Maryland running open exercises in armored personnel carriers on the busy streets of St. Louis? I know Maryland is a small state, but is there really not enough room at Ft. Detrick to accommodate a tank column and some troops?

Hey, can't run the Abrams in Tal Afar anymore, can't run 'em at Ft Knox in Kentucky [Armor School moved to Ft Benning in GA] so that leaves downtown Saint Louie. No worries, plenty of combat engineers in the state to repave any streets that get cracked or rutted. And the practice they can get tracking cars rolling by on I-70 is fantastic!

[TC/tank commander]Load Sabot,
Prius, heading East, 1700 meters...
[Gunner] Identify!
[loader]Up!
[TC] Fire!
[[Gunner] ON THE WAY!
BANG!
[TC] Target! LOAD HE/ [high explosive]
Hit 'im again!
[Gunner] Identify!
[Loader] Up!
[Gunner] ON THE WAY
BANG!
[TC] Target. Cease Fire.

19 posted on 06/23/2012 1:24:25 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Cultural Marxism has been frighteningly successful. successful in creating a story for the ‘left’ about economic, social, educational, and environmental justice, sustainability, concensus and a story for the ‘right’ about Free Trade, comparative advantage, free movement of goods and natural persons, compassion, and profits uber alles with no reference to patriotism or morality. Both stories lead to the same place - destruction of the American economy, security, traditional culture, values and its pesky middle class under the tyranny of global communism.

The 'left' call themselves progressives and put a D after their names; the 'right' call themselves compassionate conservatives and put an R after their names. In reality the left and the right are one and the same. Only the window dressing is different. The right will do behind your back what the left does in your face. Neither side wants a strong sovereign United States.
20 posted on 06/23/2012 1:24:46 PM PDT by khelus
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To: Romulus
Freepers who vilified democrat Gov. Kathleen Blanco after hurricane Katrina should reflect that she was very properly resisting a federal power grab.

Curling up in the fetal position in the immediate aftermath then blaming the federal government for inaction when it was her responsibility to request assistance is not worthy of praise.

21 posted on 06/23/2012 1:24:51 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: null and void
>"I think of it as the NATCCC, or simply the NATCs...

Heilarious!

22 posted on 06/23/2012 1:26:24 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Chode
so they DROVE from Maryland to St.Louis to train troops in St.Louis how to drive them instead of FLYING the troops to the vehicles... BRILLIANT!!!

Gateway Yard, E. St Louis IL:


23 posted on 06/23/2012 1:31:31 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: JohnKinAK; archy; CodeToad

Welcome to the USSA, comrade.


24 posted on 06/23/2012 1:33:18 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: JohnKinAK
Detrick is bugs and gas central. I suspect this some sort of a lethal chemical or biological incident control drill that the geniuses at DA think is better just to not explain to the peasantry as they are to stupid to deal with the truth. That is the true meaning of the ‘You can't handle the truth.’ line in ‘A Few Good Men’. I doubt the script writer understood it either. He just heard it and it sounded cool. There are a lot of officers who are very professional and are, by their lights, patriots who really believe the average American is just to stupid, lazy, self indulgent and uninformed to be able to understand the mission and functions of the armed forces.
25 posted on 06/23/2012 1:34:24 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: AppyPappy

Although strictly speaking those aren’t tanks (at least in the photo... I can’t watch the video with my crappy internet connection). I believe that they are more properly considered “Armored Security Vehicles” of the M-1117 type?


26 posted on 06/23/2012 1:35:58 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: JohnKinAK

“Military Rolls Tanks Onto St. Louis Streets...But Why? “

They are going to redo the main roads and are using the tanks to break up the surface so they can repave it. Saves money.


27 posted on 06/23/2012 1:36:34 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: JohnKinAK

They need to train in Chicago. If they want REAL experience.


28 posted on 06/23/2012 1:38:01 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: JohnKinAK

Wasn’t there a line in “Iron Man” about “training exercise” being the usual excuse?


29 posted on 06/23/2012 1:38:54 PM PDT by Ellendra ("It's astounding how often people mistake their own stupidity for a lack of fairness." --Thunt)
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To: archy
No worries, plenty of combat engineers in the state to repave any streets that get cracked or rutted.

I hope they can fix old cast and ductile iron water mains too. Very tragic turn of events.
30 posted on 06/23/2012 1:39:43 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: archy
the video showed ONLY wheeled vehicles and said if was a Military Police training exercise that would be rolling through residential neighborhoods, it said nothing about M1's...

and even if they are using armor, it's GOT to be cheaper to fly the troops to the armor instead of bringing the armor to them

31 posted on 06/23/2012 1:41:01 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: RichInOC

Save Anheuser-Busch...save the world.
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Of course, after all, it is a Belgian company now, or so I understand.


32 posted on 06/23/2012 1:42:23 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Islam is a Hate Crime. (Blowback: Faithfully farting towards Mecca five times daily!))
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To: Kartographer

Did the tank crews have forks?


33 posted on 06/23/2012 1:43:58 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Chode

That depends entirely on where you want/need the armor to be when you are done...


34 posted on 06/23/2012 1:48:00 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1250 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: Romulus
Bunko was no hero. She was just a typical Swamp State politician that wanted the feds to turn on the money spigot for the LA ANG and Air NNG and not ask any questions about how many drill pays were actually doing anything and what rh operations and maintenance billings really were for. Like every thing else in Louisiana a major disaster is viewed as an opportunity for political patronage. The AG of La at the time, Maj. Gen. Bennett Landreneau was sort of a poster boy for the complicit political enabler and court jester which is why he served under three different governor's. I regret that President Bush didn't simply declare south Louisiana ‘National Defense Zone’ due to the significance of the petro chemical industry, off shore oil port facilities and the port of New Orleans and declare marshal law and appoint a competent, not an affirmative action clown such as was eventually appointed as federal coordinating officer, general officer to control the chaos rampant in south Louisiana. The state and local governments displayed the Louisiana sickness of whining incapacity and psychological weakness to a florid degree and the Swamp State should have had its nose thoroughly rubbed in its governmental failure. Those who paid their taxes, bought adequate insurance, added prudently and functioned competently were the victims of mass governmental collapse and incompetence. Bush was far to kind to the local incompetent, weak kleptocrats.
35 posted on 06/23/2012 1:48:51 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: JohnKinAK

Let’s make some sense out of this. There is an Army Reserve unit on Goodfellow Boulevard in north St. Louis. The reservists have been training at this facility for as long as I can remember, since before the Vietnam War. They have dozens of army vehicles at the unit. Ten trainers are coming from Ft. Meade, MD, to provide training to these reservists at their training facility.


36 posted on 06/23/2012 1:50:11 PM PDT by rwa265 ("This is My Beloved Son, Listen to Him.")
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To: Romulus
Blanco's stupidity and indecisiveness had nothing to do with resisting federal power.
37 posted on 06/23/2012 1:51:14 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: blackdog

Did the tank crews have forks?


Don’t know about the forks, but I’m sure they are not into venture capital or private equity.


38 posted on 06/23/2012 1:53:57 PM PDT by OwenKellogg
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To: khelus

Only the window dressing is different. The right will do behind your back what the left does in your face. Neither side wants a strong sovereign United States.

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Well put. You sound a lot like Michael Savage.


39 posted on 06/23/2012 1:53:57 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Islam is a Hate Crime. (Blowback: Faithfully farting towards Mecca five times daily!))
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To: null and void
An apt and thus terrifying synonym...

...God bless the founders and their 2nd Amendment foresight.

40 posted on 06/23/2012 1:54:01 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("You may call me a racist but I insist Obama is not God.")
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To: JohnKinAK
welcome to the fundamentally changed Amerika.

Anyone that spells America with a K is a jerk.

41 posted on 06/23/2012 1:55:12 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Romulus

By the way, there is an incident command structure established in writing specifically for a Katrina event. All she had to do was say the word go and the entire script would have played out as written. Instead we got days of chaos in SE Louisiana because she had no ability to make a command decision. The more she dragged this out, the more politicized the entire event became.


42 posted on 06/23/2012 1:57:42 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: USNBandit; Kartographer

I’m telling you how it was. Before you spring for the narrative with the GOP seal of approval, you might ask yourself what the republican party has done lately for your constitutional rights that they should enjoy your uncritical credulity. You might consider how the power grab game is played — always with a distraction for the suckers and with competing narratives excluded. Katrina provided laboratory perfect conditions for martial law.


43 posted on 06/23/2012 2:02:03 PM PDT by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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To: null and void
very true, but, that's a...

44 posted on 06/23/2012 2:03:15 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: eddie willers
Amerika the trailer
45 posted on 06/23/2012 2:06:13 PM PDT by JohnKinAK
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To: khelus

That is all so true.


46 posted on 06/23/2012 2:10:20 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: All

The Bolsheviks were a comedy club until they got guns and made laughter a bullet in the brain.


47 posted on 06/23/2012 2:14:17 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("You may call me a racist but I insist Obama is not God.")
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To: Romulus

The Stafford Act was set up to limit Federal power in disasters, after Reagan mobilized the NG in Fla after a hurricane.

Blanco did not realize that she had to be proactive and specifically ASK for boots on the ground, temp housing, generators, mass casualty gear, and evacuation transportation. If you look at the Katrina paper trail, it is clear that she had no clue what to do. She definitely was not attempting to limit Fed involvement.

Naturally the press caught on and the meme became Bush’s Fault, while Bush could do nothing unless he risked impeachment for a clear and willful violation of Stafford.


48 posted on 06/23/2012 2:19:30 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Chode

Tee hee hee woo woo woo and a couple of tra la la’s, that’s how we swish the day away in the wonderful world of Ob...


49 posted on 06/23/2012 2:20:43 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("You may call me a racist but I insist Obama is not God.")
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To: Travis McGee

Don’t forget, the National Highway System wasn;t about civilian transportation. Those massive upgrades including new bridges are about getting 72 ton tanks and other vehicles down the roads.


50 posted on 06/23/2012 2:30:04 PM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called 'gay' instead.)
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