Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

With the options available, why did Obama choose to invoke executive privilege?
qando.ne ^ | 21 June, 2012 | Bruce McQuain

Posted on 06/23/2012 6:31:20 PM PDT by marktwain

That, at least to me, is the pregnant question. He had a number of other options but 4 months from a critical election, chose the most controversial and potentially damaging one.

Why?

Let’s begin with a quote from a former White House counsel from a Powerline post:

Even with his fawning press, [President Obama] will pay a price for this one. He knows this, meaning that the documents now to be withheld must be dynamite. They have to show either that Holder knew what was going on with Fast and Furious and approved it, or that he directly committed perjury in his Congressional testimony, or both. I just can’t see any other explanation for such a risky move.

Wasn’t the Washington Post just covering big time the 40th anniversary of Watergate? I wonder how much coverage this one will get.

That’s the result of the move – speculation that the documents being withheld point to perjury by Holder or the President, or both.

So let’s break this down a bit. If it was all about Holder, why would the president risk this sort of a controversial move this close to an election. It’s not like he’s never thrown anyone under the bus. In fact James Carville is on record advising Obama to dump Holder.

Obama had the option, then, of letting Holder face contempt charges (not much happens as we’ve seen in the past, to those who are served with contempt of Congress charges) and drag out the document release until after the election.

With the election season gearing up, it is likely that while the controversy would have been an issue, it wouldn’t have been a major issue. Now it certainly is.

He could have asked Holder to resign. He could have then used the opportunity to appear as a statesman, a leader and bi-partisan all in one fell swoop. Depending on how he handled that it could actually have been a positive for him heading into an election. In the meantime, an acting AG could continue to delay on providing documents.

But he did neither of those things. For some unknown reason (at least to this point) he chose to do the least likely and most politically damaging thing – invoke executive privilege. As the lawyer quoted has said, those documents must be “dynamite” to have the president make this move.

And, unsaid by the lawyer is the speculation that the documents show the involvement of the White House to a degree that is damaging – apparently more damaging than the speculation and attention this move by the President has brought.

David Kopel at Volokh Conspiracy gives you a great history of the controversy. As for the documents Kopel notes:

According to Attorney General Holder, the DOJ has 140,000 documents related to Fast & Furious. Fewer than 8,000 have been provided to Congress pursuant to subpoenas. The contempt vote has been narrowed to 1,300 documents. In refusing to comply with the House subpoenas, the DOJ has refused to create a privilege log–which would identify withheld documents, and the legal reason for their being withheld.

Matthew Boyle at the DC caller points out that Holder has retracted two previous statements he made to Congress where he gave them inaccurate information in an attempt to blame previous AGs or administrations. It seems that’s a standard operating procedure with all parts of this administration. So Holder is left holding the bag all by himself on this one, or so it seemed, at least, to the point that executive privilege was invoked.

That brings us to these 4 point by Todd Gaziano at the Heritage Foundation about the use of executive privilege:

First, the Supreme Court in United States v. Nixon (1974) held that executive privilege cannot be invoked at all if the purpose is to shield wrongdoing. The courts held that Nixon’s purported invocation of executive privilege was illegitimate, in part, for that reason. There is reason to suspect that this might be the case in the Fast and Furious cover-up and stonewalling effort. Congress needs to get to the bottom of that question to prevent an illegal invocation of executive privilege and further abuses of power. That will require an index of the withheld documents and an explanation of why each of them is covered by executive privilege—and more.

Second, even the “deliberative process” species of executive privilege, which is reasonably broad, does not shield the ultimate decisions from congressional inquiry. Congress is entitled to at least some documents and other information that indicate who the ultimate decision maker was for this disastrous program and why these decisions were made. That information is among the most important documents that are being withheld.

Third, the Supreme Court in the Nixon case also held that even a proper invocation must yield to other branches’ need for information in some cases. So even a proper invocation of executive privilege regarding particular documents is not final.

And lastly, the President is required when invoking executive privilege to try to accommodate the other branches’ legitimate information needs in some other way. For example, it does not harm executive power for the President to selectively waive executive privilege in most instances, even if it hurts him politically by exposing a terrible policy failure or wrongdoing among his staff. The history of executive–congressional relations is filled with accommodations and waivers of privilege. In contrast to voluntary waivers of privilege, Watergate demonstrates that wrongful invocations of privilege can seriously damage the office of the presidency when Congress and the courts impose new constraints on the President’s discretion or power (some rightful and some not).

The key point, of course, is executive privilege cannot be used to “shield wrongdoing”. While it is speculative, it appears highly likely – given the other options available – that executive privilege is being used for precisely that reason in this case.

Additionally, given the choices available to the President, it is not at all out of bounds to speculate that the most transparent administration in history is trying desperately to hide something even more terrible than the political fallout from this choice.

The White House cites internal discussions and ongoing investigations are the reason for its denial and claims the investigations would be jeopardized with the release of the documents. But, as Gaziano points out, accommodations can be made in that regard. The total number of documents requested is 1,300. The White House is simply refusing to cooperate or accommodate.

Why?

We’re still left with that question.

And the answer, given the actions to date, lead to some logical speculation – what is contained in those documents is much more damaging politically than the damage done by the decision. Additionally, Obama can’t afford to let Holder go because if he does there’s the potential that Holder will then spill the beans.

Oh, and finally, this move has suddenly brought Fast and Furious to page one and the top of the newscast like nothing else could. The majority of the country, which was mostly ignorant of this scandal are now in the loop.

As the cited former White House counsel said, “the documents now to be withheld must be dynamite.” In fact, they must be so explosive that the White House is desperate enough to try to weather this self-inflicted political storm in lieu of exposing them.

That says a lot.

~McQ

Twitter: @McQandO


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2deadfeds; 300deadmexicans; atf; banglist; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; murdergate; obama
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-57 next last
Interesting summation of choices.
1 posted on 06/23/2012 6:31:32 PM PDT by marktwain
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: MestaMachine

Gunwalker / Murdergate ping.


2 posted on 06/23/2012 6:32:43 PM PDT by marktwain
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

The ‘Constitutional Law ‘ professor in the Oval Office apparently does NOT know how the law works for Executive Priviledge.

He is hanging both himself & Holder, IMO.


3 posted on 06/23/2012 6:38:07 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ridesthemiles

Calling out a torpedo to see if it can hole the SS 0bama.


4 posted on 06/23/2012 6:45:23 PM PDT by Paladin2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

“That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”


5 posted on 06/23/2012 6:47:17 PM PDT by PGalt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ridesthemiles

I think Holder has the goods on Obama. Obama is between a rock and a hard place. He can’t afford to diss Holder, and he can’t let those documents be seen, either. He fires Holder, and Holder will spill the beans. Executive privilege is not going to work in this case,you are correct. But they had already got themselves in a corner and he decided to gamble.


6 posted on 06/23/2012 6:48:04 PM PDT by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Quickgun

Holder could end up having a Ron Brown style accident.


7 posted on 06/23/2012 6:50:05 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Quickgun

Right now, if I was reading Career Builder and saw a position of, “Food Taster wanted, salary 1/2 million $ per anum.” And it was anywhere east of the Mississippi? I run like a red-assed ape for the hills!


8 posted on 06/23/2012 6:54:17 PM PDT by donozark (Col. C.Beckwith:I'd rather go down the river with 7 studs than with a hundred shitheads.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: ridesthemiles
The ‘Constitutional Law ‘ professor in the Oval Office apparently does NOT know how the law works for Executive Priviledge.

Hard to believe together they are that stupid.

9 posted on 06/23/2012 6:55:54 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Quickgun

Think you are absolutely correct. Zero is either directly complicit in something incriminating or is afraid to throw the AG under the bus for fear of what Holder might reveal.


10 posted on 06/23/2012 6:57:20 PM PDT by MisterArtery
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: BerryDingle

soetoro was not a law professor, he was a add junk lickturer.


11 posted on 06/23/2012 6:59:08 PM PDT by biggredd1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: biggredd1

http://nancyjthorner.wordpress.com/2012/04/11/which-is-it-mr-president-professor-or-senior-lecturer/


12 posted on 06/23/2012 7:02:45 PM PDT by biggredd1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Fast and Furious is Obama’s Watergate — like Watergate but with 300 dead bodies

Should we call it Obamagate?

Who ever made this decision to push this policy killed 300 lives.


13 posted on 06/23/2012 7:02:55 PM PDT by garjog
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BerryDingle

I think it is arrogrance, they don’t think they will be held accountable.


14 posted on 06/23/2012 7:04:39 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

My view? Is that there is a distinct lack of “adult supervision” inside the thinking of this administration.

Think about the “Julia” website as my main example. This was pretty clearly done by a cadre of youngsters who work for 0bama in some capacity and were “turned loose” in order to create the thing. It was flashy, snappy, in terms of execution. But the messaging behind it was unsupervised, it produced an impression that this admin doesn’t really think that individuals can make it on their own, and wants to sell the lifetime government dependency orientation. And this was the impression that even liberals came away with. This is my point, that there was no adult supervision. They were tasked and let loose and came up with a flashy result, and nobody of what we would call maturity sat down with the final version and pondered what the take-away was going to be by just simply chewing on it for 24-48 hours before unleashing it.

And how about the under-30 amnesty deal? Think about it. OK, so on the surface it’s a great thing for the beneficiaries. But forget not that those “kids” are going to have to identify their PARENTS within the application process. The parents don’t have the immunity from deportation. And they are going to have to be declared illegal, or, they will have achieved citizenship sometime AFTER the kid applies...but that is going to be the exception IMHO. After all, if they were citizens, the kid would be citizens, so, the very act of applying for this “amnesty” identifies the parents as illegal! In order to take advantage of the program, the kids are in effect going to have to rat out their parents! They gonna do that?

The 0bama admin comes out with this stuff and my take on it is it’s just not very well thought out. In fact it’s not thought out hardly at all. The slogans are bumper-sticker depth. And frankly, the thinking is, too. It is reflexive and it isn’t well thought out. I don’t think it’s any more complicated than that. Consistent picture?

Same with the F&F executive order. They could not have planned this from the beginning, they thought they could stonewall and obfuscate and get away with the type of misdirection that comes from redacting entire documents until some indefinite time in the future; perhaps after the attention has shifted elsewhere. Yeah, you submitted a document in response to a subpena or a request by Issa, but the whole thing is blacked out! They literally fell into a trap of their own making, now immutably cementing 0bama to the cover-up by asserting excutive privelege. They did not count on a no-let-up pursuit from Issa, which is dumb, because he has proven his relentlessness. But even more ironically, they did not adequately ponder the implication of issuing the executive order. It was done in a hurry, and I’ll bet you $5 they did not realize the consequence that because ONLY the prezzy can issue such an order, it thusly must be he who has the stuff to hide.

I believe this is a consistent theme and characteristic within this admin. Very simply, there is no adult supervision, their stuff is ad hoc, it is simply not well thought out. They are so arrogant, yet so amateurish, they think they can get away with misdirection or changing the subject, or war on women or millionaires and billionaires or social justice, or green jobs, or policemen and teachers, anything to change the topic matter. Just pick the next Alinsky tactic on the list and go with it. That well is running dry.


15 posted on 06/23/2012 7:05:17 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (A conservative, a liberal and a moderate walk into a bar. Bartender says "what'll it be, Mitt?")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Very good analysis - and I still don’t understand why Obama invoked EP over this. Even if the documents pointed directly to him, with his complicit media he would have been given a free pass and the whole thing would have gone down the memory hole.

And as far as Holder goes, as the author points out, being found in contempt of Congress is meaningless, since there are no penalties. Unless the media cares to whip up anger over it, nothing will happen to the person found in contempt, and the media is certainly not likely to get riled up about Obama’s lackey Holder.

The only thing I can think is that Obama really does see himself as a special kind of President (the dictator kind) and thinks that any challenge to any of his minions is a challenge to him. Being a very thin-skinned dictator, he can’t take any challenge, no matter even if it’s only something that he has built in his own head.

The other possibility is that he is so stupid and inept that he really thinks the power-play is the way to go. Come to think of it, he really is stupid and inept...


16 posted on 06/23/2012 7:07:08 PM PDT by livius
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: garjog

if the vote is tuesday [and it better be], nbc will start their newscast with “japs bomb pearl harbor”.


17 posted on 06/23/2012 7:08:20 PM PDT by biggredd1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Obama must have directly approved Fast N Furious...or Holder has got some major compromising photos of Obama beyond being with another woman


18 posted on 06/23/2012 7:11:07 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (When I said "close the borders", I did not mean the bookstore chain)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain
'Why would Obama do such a dumb thing?'

Because he's incompetent and more ideologue than intellect.

19 posted on 06/23/2012 7:14:45 PM PDT by Rudder
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Just pick the next Alinsky tactic on the list and go with it. That well is running dry.

Excellent comments! I agree that there's a serious lack of direction in the WH, but I think it's not simply lack of supervision, but stupidity on the part of the folks who think they're pulling the strings.

Obama really does think he's special. He's actually nuts, but nutty people often think they're special.

And everybody who works for him came in with the impression that it was going to be the time for the "ajuste de cuentas," the settling of accounts, with the enemies they had fantasized about destroying since 1968.

Obama is part of the post-1968 generation, but he is somebody who was in a radical leftist time-warp, which is why the nearly 70 yr old Bill Ayers still seems to Obama to be on the cutting edge.

Also, the main problem is that Mr. Choom Gang simply isn't very smart.

20 posted on 06/23/2012 7:15:50 PM PDT by livius
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: SeminoleCounty

the dick holder knows about the phony commie obommie background and helped protect him fighting court cases, providing coverups, etc. There was no way holder would be asked to resign and obama had to use his last card since they are in a lot of criminal things together.


21 posted on 06/23/2012 7:16:46 PM PDT by biggredd1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

To my mind, the analysis in the article misses the point because it doesn’t start from the proper understanding of the Obama crowd.

The best starting point in understanding Obama is still “Radical-in-Chief” by Stanley Kurtz.

Obama is a radical masquerading as a conventional politician. Therefore approaching the analysis by trying to find an explanation for his actions in considerations that would be paramount to a conventional politician is not a useful approach.

The same is true of Holder and the radical racists and leftists that operate under his protection in the Justice Department.

If we go back to Alinsky’s way of thinking as a touchstone to understand Obama, what would Alinsky advise?

Alinsky would urge a tactic of provoking confrontation and amplifying grievance.

He would use the media to isolate and demonize the Republicans in Congress who are trying to use the traditional Constitutional procedures to keep Obama and his administration in check.

The first step in the media strategy is to cement in the public mind that this is in essence just a partisan squabble.

The next step is to portray the Republican opponents as being oppressive and overreaching and abusive. This helps to delegitimize the constitutional procedures used by the opponents.

In order to break the Constitution, one must maximize the tensions and contradictions inherent in the system in order to reach a breaking point.

Obama is practically begging for Congress to attack him for improperly usurping power beyond that legally permissible for a president.

He has declared that there are laws he will not enforce (DOMA) and recently unilaterally exempted entire classes of persons from Congressional law (Obamnesty).

He has now found an opportunity to challenge the very basis of Congress’ power to oversee the executive branch.


22 posted on 06/23/2012 7:16:46 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: livius

I think arrogance and absolutely no respect for the Constitution or American government. I read Holder said way back during the Elian Gonzalez fiasco, the government did not need a warrant. This is how this Administration has operated from day one. We can do what we want. Also, we have learned during Clinton and now Obama that these types will never give an inch. They simply want people to give in to their way of governing and allow them to do what they deem best. We have lots of ‘rooting out’ to do.


23 posted on 06/23/2012 7:21:05 PM PDT by taterjay
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: taterjay
I read Holder said way back during the Elian Gonzalez fiasco, the government did not need a warrant.

That's true. I had forgotten until I read an earlier post today that Holder was involved in the shameful Elian Gonzalez episode, but obviously that typified his attitude then and does so to this day.

24 posted on 06/23/2012 7:26:35 PM PDT by livius
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Stauch supporters of this usurper-in-chief will be forced to admit that this was an amateurish, ham-handed, ill-considered reaction out of the Oval Office. The Emperor’s Clothes, or lack thereof, are rapidly becoming humiliatingly apparent.

Too bad for Odumbo he has no military experience aside from organizing protests. Even a complete civilian with nothing more than a moderate interest in war movies could have recognized and avoided this Charlie Foxtrot.


25 posted on 06/23/2012 7:28:56 PM PDT by TexasVoter (No Constitution? No Union!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Wicked accurate appraisal of the situation.
Spot on.


26 posted on 06/23/2012 7:29:15 PM PDT by pgobrien (God save me from 'good' people.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: marktwain; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; ...

obama considers himself untouchable...largely because no one has ever really tried.


27 posted on 06/23/2012 7:34:18 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: livius

Thank you. By the way, just because I detailed my view that he (and his admin) are off the cuff, careless, and lazy, doesn’t eliminate nor detract in any way from the several other possibilities; that they are flat out evil, or flaming Marxists, or socialists, or generally not that bright. They are at times, all of those. But they are lazy Marxists. They are evil, but they are not remarkably cunningly evil. They have despicable intentions, but they just aren’t all that clever when it comes to trying to manifest them. They have what would seem to be brightest-of-the bright Harvard educated idealogues in many positions, but those people apparently are so smug and self-righteous in their elitism that they think their ideas should just be getting over on their own inherent value. And IMO, that’s the main reason why we’re viewed as stupid Neanderthals for not accepting their crap. Who are we to doubt their global warming theory? How dare we question their child-rearing acumen? Who do we think we are, imagining that we know more than the Paul Krugmans of the world (crap! Is there more than one?!) about how the economy works?


28 posted on 06/23/2012 7:37:33 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (A conservative, a liberal and a moderate walk into a bar. Bartender says "what'll it be, Mitt?")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Why not? What’s he got to lose? Everything to gain if the Pubbies haven’t the stones.


29 posted on 06/23/2012 7:41:08 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fortheDeclaration
Eggs ackley. Barry told some woman in early 2009 that his administration was working for gun control 'under the radar'. Now we know what he and Holder were doing 'under the radar'!

To dead souls like the democrats, who have used the slaughter of tens of millions of alive unborn human children as an empowerment scheme, the slaughter of a few hundred Mexicans/Latinos an a few LEOs is worth the work to institute severe gun controls. There is no one nor any segment of America that these lying criminal bastard commies will not use and sacrifice to work their agenda.

30 posted on 06/23/2012 7:42:17 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: livius

Chicago mafia tactics in their purest form.


31 posted on 06/23/2012 7:43:10 PM PDT by willibeaux (de ole Korean War vet age 82)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Couldn’t help but think of this after reading your post——”...there is a distinct lack of “adult supervision...”

Isaiah 3:4—
“and I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.”


32 posted on 06/23/2012 7:51:02 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: marktwain
“the documents now to be withheld must be dynamite.”

Assuming it goes to the Courts on the EP claim, there will not be a resolution until after November.

They are running out the clock hoping that even if the worst comes to light, they will still be in power.

More kicking the can down the road. Too damn typical of Washington.

33 posted on 06/23/2012 7:53:16 PM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain
With the options available, why did Obama choose to invoke executive privilege?

Because he could.

For almost four years he has repeatedly lied, cheated, stolen, extorted, broken laws, violated the Constitution, run roughshod over the nation and generally gotten away with acting like a tyrant with almost no repurcusion or complaints.

It seems the more he has defiled the nation, the more most of the media have risen to protect him.

He thinks he is King and up until now most of the nation has treated him as one.


34 posted on 06/23/2012 7:54:28 PM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Meet the New Boss; All

Why does Obama want to challenge and break the Constitution?

Congress could have impeached the clown for Libya. They could have impeached the clown for blocking oil production in the Gulf of Mexico in defiance of a court order. Obama has no authority for his amnesty, he can be impeached for that, it is clearly unconstitutional. He should have been impeached for his GM redistribution to the Unions. There are more examples.

Why is nobody rushing to fight this bozo?

Obama wants a fight, it is part of his fundamental plan. Some FREEPERs think he is arrogant, some think he is stupid, some think he is incompetent but nobody seems to have the correct, obvious answer.

To get the right answer, you have to figure out WHO IS OBAMA WORKING FOR? OBOZO is always on the wrong side of every issue, always. How could he get everything wrong unless it was why he is POTUS? Saying it another way, who put Obozo in power to destroy the USA?


35 posted on 06/23/2012 8:00:06 PM PDT by politicianslie (Obama: Our first Muslim PRESIDENT,destroying America $1 Trillion at a time! And America sleeps)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: marktwain
Congress is entitled to at least some documents and other information that indicate who the ultimate decision maker was for this disastrous program and why these decisions were made.

OBOZO himself. My, my, my.

36 posted on 06/23/2012 8:02:50 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fortheDeclaration

And for good reason. Having the GOP as your opposition is like having the campfire girls against you. The worst that will happen is they will try to hurt your feelings.....really bad.


37 posted on 06/23/2012 8:06:36 PM PDT by HerrBlucher
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: politicianslie

The Sept. 2008 ‘run’ on the Fed took place 6 weeks out from the election, remember?

0bama was shooting hoops, saying to ‘call’ him if they ‘needed’ him. He was unscathed.

At the WH, with W, McCain, Reid and Pelosi, it was 0bama that lost his temper in the meeting.

Someone here spoke of 2008 starting with transactions at the Chicago Exchange. The poster made a rather compelling case, at least for me.

IOW, it was the people who did that which are the people who installed 0bama, and he knew it all along.

He knew he was to bring down the US....oil, finance, and insurance. HE is part and parcel of the Constitutional Crisis—and he knows EXACTLY what he is doing.


38 posted on 06/23/2012 8:08:55 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: ridesthemiles
You could be right, but I don't see anyone in congress going to get the rope.
39 posted on 06/23/2012 8:17:04 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: ridesthemiles
You could be right, but I don't see anyone in congress going to get the rope.
40 posted on 06/23/2012 8:18:03 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: ridesthemiles
You could be right, but I don't see anyone in congress going to get the rope.
41 posted on 06/23/2012 8:18:13 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

I just want to know what Holder has on Obama that forced Obama to cowtow to this miserable little Pr!@k?


42 posted on 06/23/2012 8:21:47 PM PDT by 41Thunder (The SUPPLY of Government is GREATER than the DEMAND of the people)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: garjog

DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE AT THE SCENE OF BRIAN TERRYS KILLING? WAS HIS THE ONLY BODY? IT SEEMS THAT ANYONE WHO WAS INVOLVED IN THE KILLING WOULD HAVE TAKEN THE THREE WEAPONS RATHER THAN LEAVE THEM. IF THERE WERE MULTIPLE AMERICAN AGENTS INVOLVED IN THE FIREFIGHT THE KILLERS MAY HAVE SIMPLY RUN TO EVADE OTHERS. BUT IF TERRY WAS THE ONLY AMERICAN PERSON THERE WHY LEAVE 3 WEAPONS?


43 posted on 06/23/2012 8:33:00 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (Ia)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: marktwain
We will never see those documents. They will mysteriously catch on fire or the building that they are stored in blows up. The only chance to see them is for Bonehead, on Wednesday, sets the House to vote on holding Holder in contempt. If he is squeezed he might break and if not it will tell us that King Obama is criminally responsible for F&F.
44 posted on 06/23/2012 8:42:54 PM PDT by Logical me
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Reasonable Speculation:

0bama approved gunwalking knowing it would result in hundreds of dead Mexicans with American supplied guns so he could undermine the Bill of Rights (2nd Amendment) in America.

0bama lied, Federal Agents died.

That’s my theory of why this is big enough to require the exercise of Executive Priveledge.


45 posted on 06/23/2012 8:48:13 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Nobody died at Watergate. Who were Brian Terry and Jamie Zapata? (Post this on Facebook, everyone!))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Meet the New Boss

In order to break the Constitution, one must maximize the tensions and contradictions inherent in the system in order to reach a breaking point.

Obama is practically begging for Congress to attack him for improperly usurping power beyond that legally permissible for a president.

He has declared that there are laws he will not enforce (DOMA) and recently unilaterally exempted entire classes of persons from Congressional law (Obamnesty).

He has now found an opportunity to challenge the very basis of Congress’ power to oversee the executive branch.
__________________________________________________________________

I have read the above lines several times and unfortunately I have to agree with it. I do believe however that the strategy is flawed. Yes, we have dumbed down society so that they can’t take care of themselves, dumbed them down so that they don’t know the laws that govern our republic, but I’m thinking that they will not like someone ignoring their elected representatives in congress. I may be wrong but the next election will tell us if I am. If the people keep the House under Republican rule say goodbye to Mr. Obama and Alinsky. If Republicans take the Senate then Democrats are in a world of hurt.

I do believe that the press will taste the blood in the water and want to be the first to break the story. Yes they want to protect Obama but breaking the story of the century is just too much for a reporter to pass up.

The information Obama is protecting has to be damming. If not for the Executive Privilege Holder would have laughed at any action taken by congress against him. The Executive is a different branch of government, they can’t enforce anything against Holder, Holder is the one who executes the laws and Holder should have just laughed at congress at least until after the elections. I don’t believe there is enough time before the election to get the Supreme court to rule against Holder. Certainly in an impeachment trial the Democrat controlled Senate would not convict. So why the Executive Privilege? I think it has to be Alinskys rules. The One is trying to create a constitutional crisis the likes of which we haven’t seen since Fort Sumter. I don’t know what will happen but I do know that a lot depends on the press, that gives me a bad feeling.


46 posted on 06/23/2012 8:58:10 PM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

No way he did this to protect Holder. 0baMugabe is tied by his tiny nads to F&F or something totally unacceptable for public consumption in these documents.


47 posted on 06/23/2012 9:46:44 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Texas Songwriter
FBI Criminal Informant Complicit in Brian Terry’s Death (PJM Exclusive)
48 posted on 06/23/2012 10:16:01 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: Texas Songwriter
There were more agents. I'm not sure how many but I think I heard four.

Here is the best description of fast & furious from the beginning that I've ever seen. It needs updating though because it doesn't go all the way to today. But it is very very good.

"Fast and Furious" scam has Obama and Holder sweating...bullets!

49 posted on 06/23/2012 11:41:55 PM PDT by GloriaJane (Pro Choice = Pro Death - Pro Life = Pro LIFE!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: marktwain
Why?

My WAG is that Holder knows too much that could be used against Ø. Long-form Birth certificate anyone? College transcripts?

Stuff like that.



Where there's a shell, there's a way.

25 years ago, we had Ronald Reagan, Johnny Cash, and Bob Hope.
Today we have Obama, no cash, and no hope!

If you can't appreciate the pure beauty of the violin after hearing this, something's wrong with your ears.

Or you can get raw with these strings.

How about this gamechanger from America's Got Talent (which they SHOULD have won).

Either way, the violin is sweet yet lethal.

Do it!

50 posted on 06/23/2012 11:52:30 PM PDT by rdb3 (If you were tried in court for being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict you?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-57 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson