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At Gettysburg, history or propaganda? (Libs Complain about Gadsden Flag)
The Evening Sun (Hanover, PA) ^ | June 22, 2012 | Tim Prudente

Posted on 06/23/2012 9:46:50 PM PDT by Timber Rattler

The name might not be recognizable, but you've probably seen a Gadsden flag, typically yellow with a coiled rattlesnake and the warning "Don't tread on me."

The flag was flown by colonists rebelling against British rule. And more recently, it's become the adopted symbol of the Tea parties and conservative Republicans, prompting questions as to whether it's an appropriate theme for merchandise sold at the Gettysburg battlefield bookstore.

There shoppers will find Gadsden flag shot glasses, mugs, magnets and pins. The souvenirs are the only items representing the Revolutionary War sold in the bookstore, said an employee. Mostly, the store offers merchandise that speaks to historic events a century later.

"It isn't sold in a historically relevant context," said Paul Gioni, a battlefield enthusiast from Mahwah, N.J., who contacted the National Park Service and The Evening Sun after visiting the park recently. "This is blatantly political merchandise."

(Excerpt) Read more at eveningsun.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: flag; gadsden; gettysburg; nps; pa
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The bottom line here is that a busybody Rat liberal from New Jersey is trying to raise a stink with the National Park Service because the Gettysburg Visitor Center bookstore sells Gadsden flags and "Don't Tread on Me" merchandise.
1 posted on 06/23/2012 9:46:58 PM PDT by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler

So? Sell Confederate flags instead!;)


2 posted on 06/23/2012 9:51:48 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Timber Rattler

I guess Juan Williams better not visit Gettysburg.


3 posted on 06/23/2012 9:52:18 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Timber Rattler

Geez. I can’t buy rainbow stuff anymore because the gays hijacked it for their filthy flag. They can deal.

(Does anyone else know the gay flag used to have a pink stripe, for sex? But for some strange reason it was pulled...the rainbow traditionally stands for God’s promise not to destroy the world by water again for mass, unrepentant sin - so strange the gays adopted it...)


4 posted on 06/23/2012 9:53:00 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Timber Rattler
""This is blatantly political merchandise.""

But if the National Park Service store was selling the homosexual "Rainbow Flag", well that would be ok. That kind of "politics" is acceptable to liberals.

5 posted on 06/23/2012 9:55:22 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: All
Also, a group of retired Marines was denied a request to fly a Gadsden flag at the Connecticut State Capitol. Lawmakers there defended their refusal by saying the flag was a political symbol with Tea party connections. And debate raged when Arizona's conservative governor Jan Brewer signed a law providing the Gadsden flag the same protections as "Old Glory."

So even though the klown complained claiming lack of "historical relevance" the truth is that he hates it because conservatives love it. I hope the park service doesn't buckle under.

6 posted on 06/23/2012 10:01:23 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Timber Rattler

Heh. We’re gettin’ to ‘em.


7 posted on 06/23/2012 10:06:03 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Frank_2001
Ya gotta love the irony!

In Savannah, Georgia, citizens demonstrate in a huge rally in one of its historic squares, themselves raising a Flag of Independence with a serpent which reads, "Our Motto, Southern Rights, Equality of the States, Don't Tread on Me," 1860. (Library of Congress)


8 posted on 06/23/2012 10:06:07 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: rockrr

You should see the PC abomination that Antietam battlefield has become.

Then they have the gall to have ‘donation boxes’ in the park.

I left them a note.

Not surprisingly, since the ‘revisions’, donations are way down.


9 posted on 06/23/2012 10:08:12 PM PDT by Salamander (I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name.)
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To: rockrr

This is why I’d like to see PA pass as many laws as possible that annoy NJ libs — starting with a mirror of Arizona’s anti-illegal alien law, then proceeding to a disparity of force law (and maybe a stand-your-ground law). If we can disgust them enough, maybe they’ll stay away. Or maybe we can just frighten them with something like a 75mph speed limit.


10 posted on 06/23/2012 10:08:32 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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To: rockrr

Did the article mention Christopher Gadsden?

Gadsden, a soldier and statesman from South Carolina, was the principal leader of the South Carolina Patriot movement in the American Revolution, was a delegate to the Continental Congress and a brigadier general in the Continental Army during the War of Independence. He was also the designer of the famous Gadsden flag.

Now I might not be a genius, but Charleston had SOME significance in the Civil War, no? And it has been proudly displayed in several contexts throughout American history, by many factions for different reasons. Did the article mention the origin? Probably not.


11 posted on 06/23/2012 10:08:49 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Newt Gingrich was part of the Reagan Revolution's Murderers' Row." - Jeffrey Lord, Reagan Admin.)
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To: Salamander

What kind of PC stuff do they have at Antietam?


12 posted on 06/23/2012 10:16:49 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: I still care

Here in New York city they are having their perv I mean gay parade tomorrow, and one of them told me today they adopted the Rainbow symbol because “Somewhere over the rainbow” was Judy Garlands signature song. Uhh yeah, makes perfect sense to me. Scarecrow, Tinman, Cowardly lion, the Wizard, Oz, munchkins, wicked witch, flying monkeys, tornadoes in Kansas, Kansas farm, emerald city, yellow brick road, Dorothy, ruby slippers, Toto, guards who sing oh wee oh and a witch who melts when you throw water on her....Yes I can definately see how all that equates homosexuality.


13 posted on 06/23/2012 10:17:39 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Some day our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: jessduntno

Actually no it didn’t, but one of the commenters at the end of the article did. And the complainers POV is nutty - the guilt by association. By his reasoning they shouldn’t sell the CBF or old glory either since TEA partiers wave them as well.


14 posted on 06/23/2012 10:17:56 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

He’s a North Jersey *$$h*le. The area is full of them.


15 posted on 06/23/2012 10:20:39 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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To: Salamander

Is that the national park that was renovated as a sort of “drive thru” so people didn’t have to get out of their comfy automobiles?


16 posted on 06/23/2012 10:23:33 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Salamander
You should see the PC abomination that Antietam battlefield has become.

Here's why it happened:

"We Have a Claim on This Estate"

17 posted on 06/23/2012 10:24:21 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: rockrr

Nike uses the image of a snake coiled around a soccer ball for an ongoing, patriotic “Don’t Tread On Me” campaign in support of the United States men’s national soccer team. The phrase has become a rallying cry for American soccer fans and the Gadsden flag can occasionally be seen at national team games. A representation of the rattlesnake is contained on the inside of their uniforms, over the heart, with the initials “D.T.O.M.”, which were used in the 2010 World Cup.


18 posted on 06/23/2012 10:27:58 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Newt Gingrich was part of the Reagan Revolution's Murderers' Row." - Jeffrey Lord, Reagan Admin.)
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To: jessduntno

http://www.philadelphiaunion.com/

Note the logo.


19 posted on 06/23/2012 10:30:41 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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To: Windcatcher

http://www.philadelphiaunion.com/

Note the logo.

Heh heh heh...Teabaggers, no doubt?


20 posted on 06/23/2012 10:35:27 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Newt Gingrich was part of the Reagan Revolution's Murderers' Row." - Jeffrey Lord, Reagan Admin.)
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To: StormEye
This is the sad sack whiner quoted in the article. His Facebook page pays tribute to Madcow, Matthews, Bill Maher, etc.

Paul Gioni

21 posted on 06/23/2012 10:45:33 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: rockrr

It is obscene.

Bloody Lane now looks like a lovely, manicured grassy ditch instead of the spare, disturbing dirt rut it used to be.

The fence is so shiny new it actually *hurts*.
[for a long time, sections of it were the original period fence...long gone, now]

A hideous parking lot is right up against it.

It looks like something somebody landscaped yesterday.

And yes, you can go through the whole park and never have to get your lazy arse out of the car.

Back in the day, I’ve walked about every inch of it but now everything’s fenced off and inaccessible except the observation tower which is usually full of drunk/stoned teens scaring each other by mock-shoving their buddies off the ledges.

They have effectively erased the entire aspect of the Confederacy and Lee even being there.

[whiny local liberals at work]

I went to take IR photos last year and sometimes go to the December candle event but that’s about it.

Gettysburg is -much- better.

[although I was bummed out when they tore down the “UFO-looking” observation tower]

I go every year, at least once because they have the wonderful Gettysburg Bike Week now.


22 posted on 06/23/2012 10:47:12 PM PDT by Salamander (I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

I’m not on facebook, or I’d advise him to stay in his little Greater New York fishbowl. He isn’t fit for the scary remainder of the United States (and we sure as Hell don’t want jerks like him here).

Thank God for the Delaware River. Perhaps we should consider filling it with alligators (or something similarly deadly).


23 posted on 06/23/2012 10:51:42 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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To: smokingfrog; Salamander
"What kind of PC stuff do they have at Antietam?"

If memory serves (Miss Mander can correct me if I'm in error) they have removed most (if not all) of the Confederate statues. Only Union memorials remain.

Further, they have changed the perspective of the narratives by referring to Confederate soldiers as "the enemy" rather than maintaining the autonomy of both Union and Confederate Armies.

The men who fought for the Confederacy were Americans in every sense of the word. It's an example of the winners writing the history.
24 posted on 06/23/2012 10:56:21 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Salamander

Guess I was a day late and a dollar short on that one, eh?


25 posted on 06/23/2012 11:04:01 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Timber Rattler
Ugh.

I miss my youth when I could go there, wander at will and touch the old dilapidated split rail fences, bullet holes and scars and all.

The place is like a boring Disney ride, now.

When I walked a ways down Bloody Lane during my IR photo outing, people acted like I was p*ssing on graves.

It's been boxed up and sterilized.

26 posted on 06/23/2012 11:04:46 PM PDT by Salamander (I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name.)
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To: shibumi

On what?

It’s not til July.

Get yer arse out here.

Be a great 4 day vacation for y’all.

:)


27 posted on 06/23/2012 11:06:24 PM PDT by Salamander (I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name.)
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To: shibumi; smokingfrog

Yes.

That is what they have they done.

F them and the annelids they rode in on.


28 posted on 06/23/2012 11:08:09 PM PDT by Salamander (I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name.)
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To: rockrr

This is somebody’s winter shot but you can see the wretched new parking lot.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7016/6686845095_d8629c5a5d_o.jpg


29 posted on 06/23/2012 11:14:39 PM PDT by Salamander (I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name.)
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To: rockrr

Oh, and Burnside bridge is now totally blocked off.

If you feel like it, you can jump a barricade fence and slog through the woods and thickets to get to it.

On a high school field trip, we got to get off the bus and wander around it.

*Or* you can sit in your car in a nattily ‘scaped parking lot on the hill above it and sort of glimpse it in the distance.

Bastards.


30 posted on 06/23/2012 11:18:04 PM PDT by Salamander (I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name.)
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To: Timber Rattler
This is what socialism is against:

“Property is the fruit of labor...property is desirable...is a positive good in the world. That some should be rich shows that others may become rich, and hence is just encouragement to industry and enterprise. Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another; but let him labor diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence when built. I take it that it is the best for all to leave each man free to acquire property as fast as he can. Some will get wealthy.”

Abraham Lincoln

The flag, and their collective revulsion to it, is only a “One brick at a time” dismantling of a foundation they loath............because they're lazy.

31 posted on 06/23/2012 11:39:48 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: Timber Rattler
Sooner or later they'll get around to Old Glory, arguing it be replaced by something more representative of an obamanation.
32 posted on 06/24/2012 12:54:18 AM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: I still care
the rainbow traditionally stands for God’s promise not to destroy the world by water again for mass, unrepentant sin - so strange the gays adopted it...)

Not too strange if you consider that a flag is not merely a symbol but a banner designed to transmit a message. The Sodomite's waving of a rainbow high on a pole is their defiant message to God, saying, "Remember your own covenant... YOU have to leave us alone because YOU promised never again to destroy the corrupt earth with a flood."

Of course, that covenant and sign don't preclude judgment by fire, brimstone, earthquakes, or any weird terminal diseases or progressive mental degeneracies. Wave on, fools, and pass your largest and most prominant flag over to the Won.

33 posted on 06/24/2012 1:31:29 AM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: Frank_2001

Perfect response, absolutely perfect.


34 posted on 06/24/2012 1:46:59 AM PDT by panaxanax (Voting 'Third Party' will ensure a Communist-Marxist-Socialist dominated Supreme Court!)
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To: Timber Rattler

I read your link and on page 2 I got a distinct raising of the hair on the back of my neck. My first thought on the picture of Selina was “How the hell did she get in this article?” My next-to-next door neighbor is Ms. Gray (won’t use her full name for privacy). I copied the page and took it to her and she was physically shocked. THAT picture is as close to resembling my neighbor as if I took a picture of her today. My neighbor is now tracing her background since they came from the VA/MD/DC area.


35 posted on 06/24/2012 3:00:17 AM PDT by Safetgiver
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To: Salamander
Ok, I'll bite. What is really getting your goat about Antietam? Let's separate two issues. I know the Park Service has been under pressure to talk more about slavery, and that has affected the films at the visitors centers. Since I'm very rarely inside the visitors centers except to visit the bookstores, I won't speak to that. Outside is a different matter.

Antietam is pretty much as it has been for the 40 years I've been going. The biggest change is that the Park Service has now acquired the Mumma and Roulette farms, which used to be privately held. (The Park Service had an easement, but no trespassing). The fields on the approach to Bloody Lane are now walkable. Bloody Lane itself has been a pleasant, grassy stroll for decades; it has not been a muddy, rutted wagon road since the local farmers got trucks and stuck to the paved roads.

The Bloody Lane watchtower and parking lot have been there forever, but Bloody Lane is entirely walkable. I imagine that the Park Service would prefer that folks not scramble up and down the sides, so as to reduce erosion, but I've never seen that as an issue. (Similarly, climbing on the remains of 150 year old earthworks at other battlefields is discouraged.) Burnsides Bridge is fully accessible, and you don't have to bushwhack through anything to get to it. There is a small parking lot at the top of the hill, and you walk down, and there is a small pullover at the bottom of the hill, and you walk along the creek to the bridge.

No, the road doesn't cross the bridge any more. It has never done so in the years I've been acquainted with the park; perhaps it still did in your youth.

I'm not aware of any confederate memorials being removed. There never were many at Antietam; the confederates in general didn't put up nearly as many memorials as did the Yanks, and Antietam is both a northern battlefield and a confederate defeat. I'm straining to think of any confederate monuments on the battlefield; I'm certainly not aware of any that have been removed.

Yes, the park is laid out for a driving tour. That has been the case since long before my time. It's your choice whether you want to get out of your call and walk, or drive.

Most of the modern houses along Harpers Ferry Road up along Sharpsburg Ridge are now owned by the park under life tenancies held by the current occupants; as these folks pass away, those houses will disappear, and the visual integrity of the western boundary will be much enhanced. Nicodemus Heights remains in private hands with park easements. That is fenced off, and one can only get up there by special arrangement. I'd love to see public access worked out, but that's a future question. The big threat is potential development leaping South Mountain and spawling into the viewshed up the valley. I hope that can be averted.

So what's your beef? Are you reacting to the text of the film in the visitors center? As I mentioned before, I've not sat through that for many, many years, so perhaps there's been a PC intrusion there. I don't see that much else has changed at Antietam, except for the better.

36 posted on 06/24/2012 3:17:59 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: Salamander
Oh, and Burnside bridge is now totally blocked off.

This in particular is what grabbed my attention. Are you complaining that you can't drive directly to the bridge? That's an odd comment from someone who was grumbling about parking lots and people not getting out of their cars.

It's a very short walk from the current parking areas to the bridge. If cars could get up to the bridge, the bridge itself would be sitting in the middle of a parking lot and the visual appeal of the site would be sadly degraded.

37 posted on 06/24/2012 3:27:02 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: rockrr
Is that the national park that was renovated as a sort of “drive thru” so people didn’t have to get out of their comfy automobiles?

Nothing new there, I'm afraid. Anyone who thinks the back side of Little Round Top at Gettysburg (where Chamberlain's 20th Maine held the Union Left Flank on the 2nd day) bears much resemblance to how it looked in 1863 is kidding themselves.

Between Sykes Ave running up the hill and the remnants of Chamberlain Ave running around the 20th Maine position the landscape has been irrevocably changed. The slope that the 15th and 47th Alabama charged up is much shallower, the "saddle" between Little and Big Round Tops having been filled in, leveled and graded for roads, with the Eastern (left-flank of the refused line) side of the 20th Maine position looking down onto a "step" where Chamberlain Ave used to run. This is all very visible in the Winter, when the leaves are down and the ground cover is gone.

Those changes were made in the early 20th Century to accommodate Model Ts. Chamberlain Ave only lasted 10-15 years before being abandoned. But all the grading and filling pretty much destroyed the historic fabric of the area. And don't get me started on Devils Den, which saw a significant amount of rock-removing blasting for an amusement park and trolly line.
38 posted on 06/24/2012 3:37:41 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Salamander
Bloody Lane now looks like a lovely, manicured grassy ditch instead of the spare, disturbing dirt rut it used to be.

The area has been probably been covered with grass to limit further erosion (if you look at now/then pictures Bloody Lane is much shallower than it was at the time of the battle).

Keeping it a "dirt rut" would eventually see the "rut" worn down (as has already happened, somewhat). Or would require the Park Service to start hauling in additional dirt to keep buttressing the sides. So the choice there is whether they want to keep it "accurate" or preserve the historic fabric for as long as they can. Really good arguments can be made on both sides of that, so I can't begrudge them what they've chosen to do.
39 posted on 06/24/2012 3:45:56 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Timber Rattler

There are two points to be made here.

First, I find it a case of the bookstore (which is phenomenal, btw - I’ve made trips up there from the DC area just to spend a couple hours wandering around the bookstore - it’s probably the only bricks/mortar store in the country where one can find a copy of “Bayonet! Forward” for instance). Going and hitting spots on the battlefield itself were added bonuses for the trips) knowing their audience and would question whether that means Libs tend to stay away from a crucial piece of American History.

Second, as much as I love it the bookstore has substantial sections dedicated to all sorts of claptrap about women’s involvement in the battle, slavery, and other attempts to apply current-day standards to life a century and a half ago. I’m not saying that those aspects are unimportant and shouldn’t be covered, but the amount of floorspace they occupy in the store is way out of proportion to the actual impact on the actual Battle and War. And - an important distinction here - to a large extent the material being sold (or, perhaps, eating up floorspace by not being sold ..) isn’t reasoned, fact-based analysis but rather historical revisionism aimed at perpetuating the PC thinking of today.


40 posted on 06/24/2012 4:01:25 AM PDT by tanknetter
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The worst thing about visiting Pennsylvania is the ever present locust-like army of excessively loud, ill mannered, politically liberal, overly opinionated, busy body, “look-at-me” New Jerseyians.


41 posted on 06/24/2012 4:15:55 AM PDT by amishman
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To: sphinx
I don't see that much else has changed at Antietam, except for the better.

Well, I wondered what the rule is about firearms...at Antietam and Gettysburg as well. The Gettysburg website doesn't say much about it, except that you'd better know the law.

Does anyone know whether federal or state law?

Here's the Gettysburg entry:

Firearms in National Parks: Federal law governing possession of firearms inside a national park changed on February 22, 2010. Visitors may possess firearms within a national park unit provided they comply with federal, state, and local laws. The role of the responsible gun owner is to know and obey the federal, state, and local laws appropriate to the park they are visiting. Please remember that federal law prohibits firearms in certain park facilities and buildings. These places are marked with signs at public entrances. For more information, visit: www.nps.gov/nero/firearms/

The link takes you to a page that says "PA firearms laws are complex and lengthy."

The Antietam site says "Firearms...are prohibited."

42 posted on 06/24/2012 4:27:40 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (God-issued, not govt-issued.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Sounds like the bookstore has a few items that sell well in the mix.


43 posted on 06/24/2012 4:32:08 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: tanknetter
There also used to be a trolley than ran through the "Valley of Death" near Devils Den and the Slaughter Pen, as well as some brothels behind Little Round Top.

In the 1920s and early 1930s, the War Department controlled the battlefield and used it as a tank training ground, with Little Round Top as a target. Probably the only positive things that FDR did when he first became president was to take the battlefield away from the War Department and give it to the Interior Department for protection.

44 posted on 06/24/2012 4:34:11 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: VeniVidiVici

So he wears a hoodie, likely in solidarity with St. Trayvon? How sweet!


45 posted on 06/24/2012 4:38:30 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: sphinx

Further exploration at the Antietam site finds a different page and a different policy:

http://www.nps.gov/anti/parkmgmt/lawsandpolicies.htm

Here, it does not state curtly that firearms are prohibited, period. It says you better know the law and also contact the park LEO. Sounds like fun. :(

Page that says firearms are prohibited: http://www.nps.gov/anti/planyourvisit/visitor-use-guide.htm

That page also notifies you that you are not allowed to pick a flower.

And of course, “Groups or individuals wishing to exercise their first amendment rights may do so by writing the Superintendent for a Special Use Permit.”


46 posted on 06/24/2012 4:39:47 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (God-issued, not govt-issued.)
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To: FreedomPoster
Sounds like the bookstore has a few items that sell well in the mix.

Yeah, Adams County is very Conservative, and the battlefield draws a lot of military visitors from the War College in Carlisle and DC.

Gadsden flags and other "Don't Tread on Me" paraphernalia sell very well around here.


47 posted on 06/24/2012 4:44:22 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

I bought my Gadsden flag, hat and license plate at Gettysburg. When we were there a year or two earlier, they were sold out everywhere we went there. The shops make sure to keep them in stock now!


48 posted on 06/24/2012 5:40:11 AM PDT by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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To: Timber Rattler
In the 1920s and early 1930s, the War Department controlled the battlefield and used it as a tank training ground, with Little Round Top as a target.

You're thinking of "Camp Colt", right? That started in WWI, was located on either side of Emmitsburg Pike and centered just North of the Codori Farm. IOW, right on the ground of "Picketts Charge". Eisenhower commanded Camp Colt, ran tanks all over the place (plus having a couple lightweight railroad lines put in) and it's ludicrous to think that the terrain wasn't substantially changed by that ... or that NPS could ever figure out what the terrain was like so they could try to "fix" it.
49 posted on 06/24/2012 6:11:28 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Windcatcher
If we can disgust them enough, maybe they’ll stay away. Or maybe we can just frighten them with something like a 75mph speed limit.

Pikers! Only 75mph? Texas has some highways with 85mph limits.

50 posted on 06/24/2012 6:42:51 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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