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10 things you might not know about guns
Chicago Tribune ^ | 24 june 2012 | Mark Jacob and Stephan Benzkofer

Posted on 06/24/2012 6:23:21 AM PDT by rellimpank

There's a lot of crossfire about guns these days. The Obama administration is under siege over Fast and Furious, a federal sting operation that allowed firearms to go to Mexican drug traffickers and was linked to the slaying of a Border Patrol agent. Meanwhile, Chicago is trying to get a handle on fatal shootings that have fueled an increased homicide rate, and the city and some suburbs are conducting gun buyback events this weekend.

1 Around Christmas 1928, Ernest Hemingway came home to Oak Park to attend his father's funeral and asked his mother if he could have the .32 caliber Smith & Wesson revolver that his father had used to kill himself. A few months later, Hemingway's mother shipped him the handgun, along with a chocolate cake.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; guns; rkba

1 posted on 06/24/2012 6:23:26 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

people used to ship chocolate cakes???????????????


2 posted on 06/24/2012 6:26:53 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: rellimpank

JFK was a NRA member? didnt know that


3 posted on 06/24/2012 6:26:56 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Yorlik803

JFK also hated commies, bet you didn’t know that either. Still he was a grave sinner and spent most of the time having sex


4 posted on 06/24/2012 6:28:11 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: rellimpank

11. Guns kill people, not ‘people kill people’.

12. If guns were all banned, no one would ever die again.

13. If you shoot at the sun, you can easily put it out.


5 posted on 06/24/2012 6:29:53 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: yldstrk
JFK also hated commies, bet you didn’t know that either. Still he was a grave sinner and spent most of the time having sex

Yeah, but that was before the era of internet porn.

6 posted on 06/24/2012 6:30:11 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: yldstrk

All Kennedys are lacking in morals. Must be a defect in their DNA...
But Old man Kennedy was the most vile of them all......


7 posted on 06/24/2012 6:32:49 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: central_va

yes satan has taken over the souls of most of the male population in this country, they gotta have sex and watch porn and demand their wives act the way they see in the porno


8 posted on 06/24/2012 6:33:10 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: rellimpank
Shane: "A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that."
From the movie 'Shane' (1953)
9 posted on 06/24/2012 6:34:56 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Yorlik803

He was before my awareness, so I don’t have any clue about his depravity


10 posted on 06/24/2012 6:34:56 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: rellimpank
They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist.... — John Sedgwick's Famous Last Words
11 posted on 06/24/2012 6:35:42 AM PDT by stylin19a (Obama - The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance)
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To: Kartographer

that final bar scene in “Shane” is still the best.

shane: so you are wilson. i heard of you
wilson: what have you heard shane?
shane: i heard you are a low down yankee liar
wilson: (right before he dies) Prove it !!

PS: wilson didn’t know shane was a mets fan. ruh roh.


12 posted on 06/24/2012 6:37:44 AM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: beebuster2000

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE3mHhpGV2A&feature=related

shane final bar scene


13 posted on 06/24/2012 6:39:56 AM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: rellimpank
From the article:

8 John Moses Browning designed a staggering number of famous guns, including the lever-action Winchester repeating rifle, the Browning automatic rifle (BAR), used by the U.S. military in every major conflict from World War I to Vietnam, and the Colt .45. The son of a gunsmith, Browning was 14 when he built his first firearm, a rifle he gave to his brother.

Not quite true. Browning redesigned the Winchester lever action to make the action stronger. The original design was from the "Volcanic" pistol designed in 1855 when Browning was a small child. The Volcanic was redesigned into the Henry Rifle and later the Winchester 1866 and 1873 models, all designed before Browning ever touched one. Also, note that though Browning did design the Colt .45 Auto, but not the 1873 Colt .45 revolver pictured in the article.

14 posted on 06/24/2012 6:41:33 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: beebuster2000
It is among my favorites, but I believe this one gives it a run for the money.

Charley: "You the one killed our friend?"
Butler: "That's right. I shot the boy, too. And I enjoyed it."
[Charley pulls out his gun and shoots Butler]
From the movie 'Open Range' (2003)
15 posted on 06/24/2012 6:50:32 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: stylin19a

After two years of warfare using rifles, I guess Sedgewick was kinda slow on the uptake.


16 posted on 06/24/2012 6:50:32 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Yorlik803
“All Kennedys are lacking in morals. Must be a defect in their DNA...
But Old man Kennedy was the most vile of them all......”

__

Joseph Kennedy was a most foul self serving traitor, His antics in London as ambassador during WWII should have gotten him escorted to the gallows.

17 posted on 06/24/2012 6:51:06 AM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: Inyo-Mono
"John Moses Browning designed a staggering number of famous guns, including the lever-action Winchester repeating rifle, the Browning automatic rifle (BAR), used by the U.S. military in every major conflict from World War I to Vietnam, and the Colt .45."

They forgot the "Ma Deuce" M2 .50 caliber heavy machine gun - still in use today.

18 posted on 06/24/2012 6:57:01 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: rellimpank

9 Earlier this month, two Australian swimmers were barred by that country’s Olympic officials from using social media during the London Games after the pair posted photos of themselves posing with pistols and rifles at a gun shop.

I always see stuff like this coming out of Aus, and it makes me wonder where the manly, rugged, independent spirit, BS comes from. What? Rugby?

Enslave me but let me play rugby and I’m a man?


19 posted on 06/24/2012 6:58:38 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: stylin19a

John Sedgwick’s Famous Last Words

GREAT catch. - shot him under the left eye - Spotsylvania/Laurel Hill


20 posted on 06/24/2012 7:04:40 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: yldstrk
Old man Kennedy was a fan of Hitler. Tried everything he could to keep us out of the war. Also a vile Jew hater.
He also had his daughter lobotomized and parked her with the nuns so the family wouldnt be embarrassed by the sight of her.
21 posted on 06/24/2012 7:09:12 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: rellimpank
"4 Clement Vallandigham"

Vallandigham was a former Congressman and leader of the secessionist-sympathizing Copperheads. He was banished to TN by Lincoln and he was the inspiration for the short story "Man Without a Country."

He may have accidentally killed himself, but his example convinced the jury of his point and his client was acquitted. Sadly, not enough lawyers are willing to support their clients to this extent.

22 posted on 06/24/2012 7:11:04 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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2. Nearly half of Americans say a gun is kept in their household. This figure — 47 percent in a Gallup survey last October — was a six-point jump from a year earlier and the highest since 1993. Demographic groups that topped 50 percent included men, Republicans, Southerners, Midwesterners and people who had not gone to college.

This tid-bit from the original article is quite inflammatory. What "demographic groups" consist of is weird enough (damn it, men and no-college-ignoramuses!), but what exactly is the base of the "topped 50 percent" being referenced? The 47%? The 6% increase? The 1993 constituency?

Maybe, if I had gone to journalism school, I could properly parse this mash of text.

23 posted on 06/24/2012 7:16:10 AM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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To: rellimpank; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Cincinatus' Wife; ...
Re: 3 In the infamous Valentine's Day Massacre, Al Capone's henchmen wielded Tommy guns, but the weapon's use by 1920s gangsters likely wasn't as extensive as popular culture and movies would lead us to believe. The gun was quite difficult to use and was dangerous to the shooter if he or she wasn't properly trained. A hooligan with a heavy trigger finger could empty one of those famous 100-round drums in just four seconds.

I don't believe Arnold Schwarzenegger, in his prime... would be strong enough to keep a Thompson from rising him into a backwards, elbow over teakettle somersault if he used "a heavy trigger finger [that] could empty one of those famous 100-round drums in just four seconds."
However, for myself... it is a breeze--

Now, as to "The gun was quite difficult to use and was dangerous to the shooter if he or she wasn't properly trained," that is semi-true even though both Chesty Puller and Audie Murphy believed the Thompson was the best close combat weapon made.

I owned one for better than 40 years... and was able to almost every time keep 2 to 3 round burst in to a 14 x 14 target at 25 yards. Yet firing a full 20 round burst, I could barely keep 4 to 6 on a 35 x 45 police silhouette target paper at 50 yards.

24 posted on 06/24/2012 7:27:06 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: yldstrk

My mother sent me a chocolate cake for my birthday when I was in Vietnam. (1970) It arrived in surprisingly good condition. Still fresh and almost intact. It will come as no surprise that with a little help, within about 5-6 minutes, there was nothing but an empty box.


25 posted on 06/24/2012 8:47:08 AM PDT by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: yldstrk

Very much so, and both the Post Office and the US military were very proud to do so.

In a very important scene in the movie Battle of the Bulge (1965), “(Col.) Hessler, after presenting General Kohler a (captured) fresh cake which was baked in the United States, argues that capturing (an important city) will severely damage American morale: if the Americans have the fuel and aircraft to fly things as trivial as cake to the front, such an overwhelming defeat may force them to reconsider their chances of winning the war.”

However, just the opposite was true, that since the Americans had the fuel and aircraft to fly things as trivial as cake to the front, their logistical abilities were downright frightening.

The real German tank commander, Col. Joachim Peiper, on whom Hessler was based, would never have made that mistake.


26 posted on 06/24/2012 10:28:18 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
argues that capturing (an important city) will severely damage American morale: if the Americans have the fuel and aircraft to fly things as trivial as cake to the front, such an overwhelming defeat may force them to reconsider their chances of winning the war.

I always understood that to be sarcasm.

27 posted on 06/24/2012 12:20:48 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Inyo-Mono

From what I read, the American military did not use the BAR in WW I as they were afraid the Germans would capture one and copy it.


28 posted on 06/24/2012 8:00:31 PM PDT by mfish13 (ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!!!!)
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To: mfish13

My Osprey book War in the Trenches says BARs were being used in the trenches by September of 1918. 85,000 were in France by November 11 but most didn’t get to the front before the Armistice.


29 posted on 06/24/2012 10:14:12 PM PDT by BigWillyG
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