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Issa: No evidence so far of White House cover-up
Associated Press ^ | June 24, 2012

Posted on 06/24/2012 10:36:37 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Congress doesn't have any evidence so far of a White House cover-up involving a botched gun-tracking operation, a top Republican said Sunday, countering the House speaker's assertion that President Barack Obama or his aides deliberately misled lawmakers.

"No we don't," said Rep. Darrell Issa, R.-Calif., in response to a question on "Fox News Sunday" about whether lawmakers had proof now to back Speaker John Boehner's claim about White House officials' involvement.

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1 posted on 06/24/2012 10:36:39 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

How can one determine if there is no evidence of a cover up when there is NO DATA produced by the DOJ or White House?

Issa should known better and said so.


2 posted on 06/24/2012 10:47:45 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Free ThinkerNY
No evidence of a cover-up

I.e. we don't know what's in the docs that Obama and Holder are hiding and we don't know why they are hiding them.

But the fact that they are both hiding them implies guilt at some level.

3 posted on 06/24/2012 10:49:16 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux
I think Issa knows basically what's in those documents and Obama/Holder know that Issa knows.

He's just playing his hand right now. Lots of money in the pot.

7 posted on 06/24/2012 11:01:43 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Issa is being coy.

He already has the documents he is asking Holder for.

He knows F&F goes all the way to the White Hut.

It's just a cat-and-mouse game now.

8 posted on 06/24/2012 11:03:21 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: dead

I think you are correct!


9 posted on 06/24/2012 11:03:21 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: dead

10 posted on 06/24/2012 11:03:58 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: dead

I’ll bet Issa already has the documents, but needs them ‘officially’.


11 posted on 06/24/2012 11:03:59 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Agree.

He wants them officially or to see what Obama/Holder leave out. Creates a “smoking gun” situation.

White House wanted to restrict gun rights in US. Untracked gun sold to straw purchasers against the concerns of the gun sellers themselves to be handed to cartels to murder hundreds of Mexican citizens and at minimum two US agents?

This makes the Watergate break in look like a picnic.


12 posted on 06/24/2012 11:10:19 AM PDT by TigerClaws (He)
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To: TigerClaws

Makes one wonder that if F&F was Obama’s means to the end goal of getting assault weapons banned in the United States, was the BP oil rig sabotaged as a means to the end goal of killing our conventional oil industry?. Obama went hog wild crazy with moratoriums following the BP disaster, many of which had no connection to the gulf area. Call me ‘tin foil hat’ but this is how Obama rolls.. Pure evil.


13 posted on 06/24/2012 11:23:34 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Gaffer

Of course Issa already knows. You don’t ask those questions w/o knowing the answers ahead of time.

WH is digging a hole and Issa handed them the shovel.


14 posted on 06/24/2012 11:26:56 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: Free ThinkerNY
one should inform the lamestream media, Nixon was a choir boy. This story has Pulitzer written all over it. There is murder in them documents and emails. Are you over there in the press corpse afraid of winding up as another corpse in this darkness. All of you guys and girls, in the lamestream have been dead for decades or more. My apology WH press corpses and am sorry people are disturbing you with a story of murder, treachery, treason, and it was the person promoted for president by the majority of you guys and girls in the lamestream media.
15 posted on 06/24/2012 11:27:13 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
“Issa is being coy. He already has the documents he is asking Holder for. He knows F&F goes all the way to the White Hut. It's just a cat-and-mouse game now.

Hope so, but I'm not betting on it. If so how did Isaa get them? Would they be admissible if it went to trial, you know Holder and Bambi would fight that to the death.

16 posted on 06/24/2012 11:29:26 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Help me out here. It would seem that if it came out in the future that Issa now had the evidence he says he doesn’t have, the credibility and motives of the GOP would be questioned.


17 posted on 06/24/2012 11:30:07 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: DAC21

Would not the press corpses do likewise? One thinks they would here.


18 posted on 06/24/2012 11:31:45 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: 9YearLurker

or could this be good cop / bad cop?


19 posted on 06/24/2012 11:33:24 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: dead

Exactly. Issa is not stupid.


20 posted on 06/24/2012 11:33:55 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: no-to-illegals
“This story has Pulitzer written all over it”

Surely you jest? Any Reporter busting the lid off this will be totally ostracized by the lefty Media. 40 years ago MAYBE that wouldn't be the case. Any Reporter with the goods on this story and follows through on it better hope that there is an opening at Fox News or the WSJ.

21 posted on 06/24/2012 11:36:06 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: DAC21

no jesting here. and don’t call me surely.


22 posted on 06/24/2012 11:38:08 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So I should hold of sending this letter to the local editor?

With his administration sinking faster than the economy, Barack Obama must be a little light on Hope these days. Proof of that is his recent retreat into the bunker of Executive Privilege.

Of all the setbacks he has suffered in this month alone, flaccid jobs report, the Wisconsin win, senior Congressional members calling for an inquiry into the Muslim Brotherhood’s access and its influence over government agencies, only one has gained the status of Albatross. Even Pelosi expressing frustration at the secrets pouring out of his administration didn’t seem to affect him.

Just don’t mention the F words if you’re out golfing with him.

That’s because the one issue keeping the upper echelon of the Executive branch awake at night, the single circumstance that has caused the retreat from Stonewall Palace into the bunker blanket is the Fast and Furious investigation.

More specifically, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee’s vote to sanction Attorney General Eric Holder for contempt of Congress for failing to provide the substantive documents the Committee subpoenaed more than a year ago.

There has been quite a bit of obfuscation taking place regarding Fast and Furious. First, it was not a ‘botched’ job cobbled together by rogue agents as it is still being reported by most of the news media. There are taped news conferences of Mr. Holder and Ms. Napolitano, the head of the Department of Homeland Security and others discussing the program available for public viewing. Fast and Furious was planned at the highest levels of our government

Next, it had little to do with stopping the flow of guns into Mexico and much to do with limiting the Second Amendment rights of Americans. Even before the plan to mislead gun shop owners in the Southwest into selling hundreds of guns to drug cartel middlemen blew up in their faces, the U.S government (State Department) was shipping weapons to the Mexican military by the ton. An uncertain percentage of those shipments found its way into the black market.

In reality, most of the weapons in Mexico come from the Middle East in exchange for drugs and border crossing expertise.

The painful, almost immediate impact of Fast and Furious was the deaths of two of our Federal officers, Border Patrol Officer Brian Terry and Immigration Control and Enforcement Agent Jaime Zapata and an alleged two hundred plus Mexicans citizens.

It is those deaths that are influencing the recent reactions of the Executive branch. Despite all the screaming from the left about racist Republicans who can’t stand having a black President and a black Attorney General, despite the accusations from Nancy Pelosi that it’s a partisan witch hunt directed somehow at democrat voters, it’s about murder.

In fact, it is about mass murder. And the Executive branch of our government knows where the responsibility lies.

That’s why they clammed up and headed to the bunker.


23 posted on 06/24/2012 11:38:56 AM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So I should hold of sending this letter to the local editor?

With his administration sinking faster than the economy, Barack Obama must be a little light on Hope these days. Proof of that is his recent retreat into the bunker of Executive Privilege.

Of all the setbacks he has suffered in this month alone, flaccid jobs report, the Wisconsin win, senior Congressional members calling for an inquiry into the Muslim Brotherhood’s access and its influence over government agencies, only one has gained the status of Albatross. Even Pelosi expressing frustration at the secrets pouring out of his administration didn’t seem to affect him.

Just don’t mention the F words if you’re out golfing with him.

That’s because the one issue keeping the upper echelon of the Executive branch awake at night, the single circumstance that has caused the retreat from Stonewall Palace into the bunker blanket is the Fast and Furious investigation.

More specifically, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee’s vote to sanction Attorney General Eric Holder for contempt of Congress for failing to provide the substantive documents the Committee subpoenaed more than a year ago.

There has been quite a bit of obfuscation taking place regarding Fast and Furious. First, it was not a ‘botched’ job cobbled together by rogue agents as it is still being reported by most of the news media. There are taped news conferences of Mr. Holder and Ms. Napolitano, the head of the Department of Homeland Security and others discussing the program available for public viewing. Fast and Furious was planned at the highest levels of our government

Next, it had little to do with stopping the flow of guns into Mexico and much to do with limiting the Second Amendment rights of Americans. Even before the plan to mislead gun shop owners in the Southwest into selling hundreds of guns to drug cartel middlemen blew up in their faces, the U.S government (State Department) was shipping weapons to the Mexican military by the ton. An uncertain percentage of those shipments found its way into the black market.

In reality, most of the weapons in Mexico come from the Middle East in exchange for drugs and border crossing expertise.

The painful, almost immediate impact of Fast and Furious was the deaths of two of our Federal officers, Border Patrol Officer Brian Terry and Immigration Control and Enforcement Agent Jaime Zapata and an alleged two hundred plus Mexicans citizens.

It is those deaths that are influencing the recent reactions of the Executive branch. Despite all the screaming from the left about racist Republicans who can’t stand having a black President and a black Attorney General, despite the accusations from Nancy Pelosi that it’s a partisan witch hunt directed somehow at democrat voters, it’s about murder.

In fact, it is about mass murder. And the Executive branch of our government knows where the responsibility lies.

That’s why they clammed up and headed to the bunker.


24 posted on 06/24/2012 11:39:55 AM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"......the White Hut."

I haven't seen that one; that's damn funny!


25 posted on 06/24/2012 11:45:16 AM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; one box left.)
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To: no-to-illegals

I hope so. I’m just too used to the GOP in congress folding before they actually win a fight, so I hope that’s not what this is.


26 posted on 06/24/2012 11:46:59 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
Help me out here. It would seem that if it came out in the future that Issa now had the evidence he says he doesn’t have, the credibility and motives of the GOP would be questioned.

I think he may have been told, by somebody with knowledge, the essential conversations and debates that went on in the White House when the F&F story started bubbling up.

Things like meeting notes and emails between certain parties would reveal that information concretely, which makes his case easier.

Or he may have been slipped actual copies of correspondence and really has the goods. If there were crimes committed, the possession of those documents by congress would be untouchable under the whistle blower laws.

If those guns were intentionally distributed to the cartels with no intent to track them, the Administration is going to look pretty silly trying to switch the debate to how Issa found out about it.

27 posted on 06/24/2012 11:47:49 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead

“I think Issa knows basically what’s in those documents and Obama/Holder know that Issa knows.
He’s just playing his hand right now. Lots of money in the pot.”

Do you think Issa has briefed Romney regarding Holder’s and Obama’s documentable involvement?


28 posted on 06/24/2012 11:48:26 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: dead

“I think Issa knows basically what’s in those documents and Obama/Holder know that Issa knows.
He’s just playing his hand right now. Lots of money in the pot.”

Do you think Issa has briefed Romney regarding Holder’s and Obama’s documentable involvement?


29 posted on 06/24/2012 11:50:01 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I think he's got some of the internal DOJ documents. But I don't think he's got everything.

The key point here is that Holder requested executive privilege on 6/19, and Obama granted it the very next day. That means Obama must have been kept in the loop at least as far as the investigation/document production went. That strongly suggests there are documents from Holder to Obaaa briefing him on the facts, discovery dispute, etc.. And that itself is inconsistent with Holder's claim that politics has played no role in DOJ's compliance, or lack thereof, with Congressional requests.

I'm sure Issa knows most of the details about F&F, and how high up that went. But he doesn't have whatever exists regarding deliberate delays of the Congressional investigation.

30 posted on 06/24/2012 11:54:37 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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One too many there at #4,#5, #6. Yet heck, what do I know. Answer ... Nothing, I know N O T H I N G. Going off to duck tape my typing hands now behind me back. I know N O T H I N G.


31 posted on 06/24/2012 11:57:53 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: 9YearLurker
agreement here .. the gop does have a tendency to fold, and many times the cards being held are Aces (four of them)... Have trouble figuring it out as well 9YearLurker.
32 posted on 06/24/2012 12:01:32 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

And Cummings came out looking like a lying obstructionist.


33 posted on 06/24/2012 12:04:48 PM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

If it walks like a duck...


34 posted on 06/24/2012 12:59:04 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Everyone here needs to be far more astute in seeing past the slant - and the outright misleadings of the MSM

Congress doesn't have any evidence so far of a White House cover-up involving a botched gun-tracking operation, a top Republican said Sunday, countering the House speaker's assertion that President Barack Obama or his aides deliberately misled lawmakers.

No, he did NOT say that. Watch for the first sentence to be different from what actually was said

"No we don't," said Rep. Darrell Issa, R.-Calif., in response to a question on "Fox News Sunday" about whether lawmakers had proofnow to back Speaker John Boehner's claim about White House officials' involvement.

What he said is that "we don't have proof," not that we do not have evidence.

There are reams of evidence!
And we all know that the MSM knows it!

35 posted on 06/24/2012 1:37:31 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

No evidence of a cover-up from the white house. Just ask ask the white house, it will tell you so. “Nope! No cover-up here”. The funny thing is people will buy that load of crap like it was the gospel.


36 posted on 06/24/2012 2:56:41 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: DAC21
Would they be admissible if it went to trial

The Senate makes its own rules.

37 posted on 06/24/2012 3:02:56 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Anna Wintour makes Teresa Heinz Kerry look like Dolly Parton.)
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To: savedbygrace

Cummings said on FOX NEWS Sunday with Chris Wallace that he had a relative “slaughtered by a gun” and that he “knows what guns can do” To me, it was astounding that he said that given the fact that all but Bill O’Reilly know that gun control in the US was the main reason for F & F. Sounds to me that he knows why F&F was going on and he accidentally revealed it to Wallace in an indirect way.


38 posted on 06/24/2012 4:27:33 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Some mention of Soros buying stock in the company that made the clean up agent weeks before the accident makes a person go hmmmmmmm.


39 posted on 06/24/2012 4:31:46 PM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya.".. he's lying now or then?)
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To: DAC21

whistle blowers have come forward and WILL come forward it they are promised ammunity from prosecution themselves.


40 posted on 06/24/2012 4:34:38 PM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya.".. he's lying now or then?)
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41 posted on 06/24/2012 4:42:33 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: bonfire
WH is digging a hole and Issa handed them the shovel.

A ∅™ shovel-ready project?


42 posted on 06/24/2012 5:07:40 PM PDT by QT3.14 (Repubs 2012: Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory?)
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