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Submarine hazing centered on homosexuality
Associated Press/Fox News ^ | 23 June 2012 | Staff

Posted on 06/24/2012 12:58:06 PM PDT by moonshot925

NORFOLK, Va. -- A Navy hazing case that led to the firing of the top enlisted officer aboard a nuclear submarine was sparked by gay jokes about a sailor who said another man tried to rape him while in a foreign port, according to an investigative report obtained by The Associated Press.

The report sheds light on a hazing case that led to the reassignment of Master Chief Machinist's Mate Charles Berry, who had been serving as "chief of the boat" on the Kings Bay, Ga.-based USS Florida. The Navy announced March 30 that Capt. Stephen Gillespie had relieved Berry as chief, due to dereliction of duty. Aboard a submarine, the chief of the boat advises the commanding officer of issues involving enlisted sailors. The Navy's announcement said the case involved allegations of hazing aboard Florida, but gave no details. It said Berry was not involved in the hazing, but had knowledge of it and failed to inform his chain of command.

Lt. Brian Wierzbicki, spokesman for Kings Bay's submarine force, said Saturday he did not immediately have a contact number for Berry. The AP left a voice mail message at a phone listed for a Charles Berry in St. Marys, Ga.

An investigative report obtained by The Associated Press under the Freedom of Information Act says the hazing was directed at a sailor who had reported that another man pulled a knife and tried to rape him while in the port at Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hazing; homosexuality; jokes; submarine
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1 posted on 06/24/2012 12:58:14 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925

Someone has to say it: What is long and tubular and full of seamen?


2 posted on 06/24/2012 1:00:31 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Da Bro' Gotsta Go!)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

Chuck Berry is a Master Chief? Who knew?


3 posted on 06/24/2012 1:05:21 PM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

OK, I’ll bite. What?


4 posted on 06/24/2012 1:05:58 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

Hazing? What is described as “hazing” is commonplace on the boats. Usually, boat sailors are psychologically screened to avoid this kind of stuff. In other words, if you can’t take the heat then get out of the kitchen.


5 posted on 06/24/2012 1:06:41 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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To: moonshot925

I spent just one week on an attack sub and was glad to get off. Except for the CO the crew were the most boring people I have ever been around.


6 posted on 06/24/2012 1:13:30 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: moonshot925

And THIS is why the old policies were far better. The military will not have constant distractions and new PC culture based on real and manufactured situations like this.

We’ll lose good men and our forces will be weaker because of it.


7 posted on 06/24/2012 1:14:56 PM PDT by ilgipper ( November cannot come soon enough)
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To: moonshot925

It is only a matter of time before we have the homosexual version of “Tailhook” to further neuter our military.

Of course, the right time for such a “scandal” will be when a Republican is in the White House.


8 posted on 06/24/2012 1:15:13 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: moonshot925

And THIS is why the old policies were far better. The military will not have constant distractions and new PC culture based on real and manufactured situations like this.

We’ll lose good men and our forces will be weaker because of it.


9 posted on 06/24/2012 1:15:22 PM PDT by ilgipper ( November cannot come soon enough)
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To: moonshot925

It is only a matter of time before we have the homosexual version of “Tailhook” to further neuter our military.

Of course, the right time for such a “scandal” will be when a Republican is in the White House.


10 posted on 06/24/2012 1:16:51 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: moonshot925

It is only a matter of time before we have the homosexual version of “Tailhook” to further neuter our military.

Of course, the right time for such a “scandal” will be when a Republican is in the White House.


11 posted on 06/24/2012 1:17:08 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: moonshot925

It is only a matter of time before we have the homosexual version of “Tailhook” to further neuter our military.

Of course, the right time for such a “scandal” will be when a Republican is in the White House.


12 posted on 06/24/2012 1:17:32 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: moonshot925

We should give sailors a medal for hazing the Sodomites.


13 posted on 06/24/2012 1:21:11 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: central_va

What boat was she? LA class? Seawolf? Virginia?

I did eight 70-90 day deterrent patrols on USS Francis Scott Key(SSBN-657). I liked the boat and the crew.


14 posted on 06/24/2012 1:26:25 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

And these are supposed to be our “warriors”? Yeah, right. What’s gonna happen when they confront a real enemy of the US? Are they gonna cry, roll into a tight ball and wait for an authoritative figure to come stop the fight/shooting?


15 posted on 06/24/2012 1:29:46 PM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: moonshot925

I think it was the USS Snook. Hard to remember it was so long ago.


16 posted on 06/24/2012 1:33:47 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: moonshot925
F the Navy hierarchy I despise PC sh**.
17 posted on 06/24/2012 1:45:41 PM PDT by boomop1 (term limits will only save this country.)
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To: central_va

I represent that.


18 posted on 06/24/2012 1:52:01 PM PDT by brivette
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To: central_va

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Snook_(SS-279)


19 posted on 06/24/2012 2:00:45 PM PDT by narses
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To: central_va; narses

You must have been on the nuclear-powered Shipjack class boat USS Snook (SSN-592). Correct?


20 posted on 06/24/2012 2:09:47 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925

Read the whole article....from what is being reported, there is no hazing involved here—hazing generally occurs to new crew members. At worst, nothing more than prolonged verbal harassment. There seems to be more to this than what is in the story. I’m guessing the individual is especially sensitive and may have his own ‘issues’.

BTW, ‘hazing’ as it is called now is nothing more than traditional rites of passage. It’s how the mettle of a new crew member is tested. EVERYONE new to a boat will go through it in some form or another. True, some knuckleheads can take things too far, but for the most part it’s all in good fun, and it’s how a crew really comes together.

I endured my fair share. Someone who can’t deal with something that trivial, probably can’t handle the real stress of operating a boat, and ultimately shouldn’t be on the boat to begin with. Not everyone’s cut out for it.


21 posted on 06/24/2012 2:26:22 PM PDT by rottndog (Political Correctness KILLS...)
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To: moonshot925
enlisted officer

???

22 posted on 06/24/2012 2:28:27 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: moonshot925

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Snook_(SSN-592)


23 posted on 06/24/2012 2:31:28 PM PDT by narses
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To: moonshot925

So, in that picture, are the two guys driving the boat like an airplane (pilot and co-pilot) or is one handling the boat heading and the other handling the depth control?

Do both wheels work independently or in unison like on a plane?

Signed
A zoomie who almost went into sub service a long time ago.


24 posted on 06/24/2012 2:55:31 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: moonshot925

Finally the parents of slain U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry have an answer why the press didn’t care about the murder of their son... The MSM was looking for a REAL story of pain - and they’ve found it. Some gay guy had his thin skin pricked by a joke....300 dead Latinos and their families now understand too...

The ‘doting court eunuchs’ of the MSM fail to notice...


25 posted on 06/24/2012 2:57:05 PM PDT by GOPJ (The 'doting court eunuchs' of the MSM fail to notice...)
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To: moonshot925

Finally the parents of slain U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry have an answer why the press didn’t care about the murder of their son... The MSM was looking for a REAL story of pain - and they’ve found it. Some gay guy had his thin skin pricked by a joke....300 dead Latinos and their families now understand too...

The ‘doting court eunuchs’ of the MSM fail to notice...


26 posted on 06/24/2012 2:57:31 PM PDT by GOPJ (The 'doting court eunuchs' of the MSM fail to notice...)
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To: moonshot925
"Freedom of Information Act says the hazing was directed at a sailor who had reported that another man pulled a knife and tried to rape [sodomize] him..."

There. Fixed the linguistic homo-activism. It's anal and fecal with the adjunct of sadism. It's common among criminals.


27 posted on 06/24/2012 3:02:33 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Uncle Slayton

Did you read the article?

The guy *wasn’t* gay.

It was found out that a man had tried to rape him (at knife-point) while they were port.

Because of that, his shipmates jumped all over him, accusing him of being gay.

Eight months of non-stop hazing is what drove this guy over the brink.


28 posted on 06/24/2012 3:15:31 PM PDT by Marie (Our only hope is in electing a very conservative congress.)
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To: Clock King

With ‘friends’ like these, who needs enemies?


29 posted on 06/24/2012 3:16:58 PM PDT by Marie (Our only hope is in electing a very conservative congress.)
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To: hattend

The Ohio class boats have two steering wheels operated by two sailors. One of the steering wheels controls the hydroplanes on the stern and the other steering wheel controls the stern rudder and the horizontal fins at the sail.

The sailors can steer the boat by using the stern rudder to turn starboard or port and the hydroplanes to control the fore-aft angle of the submarine.


30 posted on 06/24/2012 3:50:51 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: rottndog
Read the whole article....from what is being reported, there is no hazing involved here—hazing generally occurs to new crew members. At worst, nothing more than prolonged verbal harassment. There seems to be more to this than what is in the story. I’m guessing the individual is especially sensitive and may have his own ‘issues’. BTW, ‘hazing’ as it is called now is nothing more than traditional rites of passage. It’s how the mettle of a new crew member is tested. EVERYONE new to a boat will go through it in some form or another. True, some knuckleheads can take things too far, but for the most part it’s all in good fun, and it’s how a crew really comes together. I endured my fair share. Someone who can’t deal with something that trivial, probably can’t handle the real stress of operating a boat, and ultimately shouldn’t be on the boat to begin with. Not everyone’s cut out for it.

I remember two hazings both were long standing traditional ones when I was in. The first involved a ship wide search for Wogs and riding the ship of them by initiation into the Order of The Shellback. The most disgusting part was kissing the Royal Baby's Belly. LOL

The second one went on for weeks. The straight out of basic noob would have his name posted as a piece of equipment on the shop MS Board with a code that usually meant Grease. When the hazing finally happened it was all hands in the shop were present except senior enlisted. The Noob would find himself suddenly being held by all limbs and a rope place around his legs. The noob was carefully hung by his feet from the overhead and his clothing pulled down. Into the clothing went a very generous portion of Graphite Grease then the clothing very snugly pulled back up and the guy let down. Total elapsed time maybe one minute.

Being a Snipe on a ship is dirty, filthy, hot work under the worse of conditions. A person having an avoidance to getting as greasy as Tar Baby is of little use. This gets most persons past it. Short of an accident or fire you have experienced the worse thing done to someone on a ship. That hazing done by Snipes was being ordered discontinued and becoming a punishable offense about the time I got out.

That hazing was done only once in your career by tradition. It was done a second time as a punishment or at least the threat of it was to deal with screw ups making everyone life miserable and keeping the shop in hot water. The newly initiated Snipe would be in on the next hazing.

31 posted on 06/24/2012 3:56:08 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: moonshot925; hattend

Thanks for answering that “two steering wheels” question; I was just going to ask it myself.


32 posted on 06/24/2012 3:59:53 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs & most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: moonshot925

Well now, thanks to Obama, our sailors can get raped at knifepoint in the comfort of their vessels, instead of having to wait until they get to port.


33 posted on 06/24/2012 4:12:26 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: carriage_hill; hattend

No problem ;)

The steering wheels respond slowly.

The Virginia class boats use a single four button two-axis joystick which controls all the steering. It is simpler to use and responds quicker.

The Virginia class boats also use fins on the bow instead of fins on the sail.


34 posted on 06/24/2012 4:26:31 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: cva66snipe

LOL!

My dad was on subs back in the ‘50’s. They used to tell the new crewmembers that they had to get out on the boat and sit on the prow to watch for obstructions in the water. The new crewmembers would walk out a ways and run back into the boat.

My dad was an Olympic swimmer who really enjoyed the ride. That’s the first time anyone actually did it that anybody knew about.


35 posted on 06/24/2012 4:36:30 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: central_va
I spent just one week on an attack sub and was glad to get off. Except for the CO the crew were the most boring people I have ever been around.

From what I've read, the Boomer crews are even less exciting. But that is a Good Thing, when you think about it. :)

36 posted on 06/24/2012 4:51:59 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
My dad was on subs back in the ‘50’s. They used to tell the new crewmembers that they had to get out on the boat and sit on the prow to watch for obstructions in the water. The new crewmembers would walk out a ways and run back into the boat. My dad was an Olympic swimmer who really enjoyed the ride. That’s the first time anyone actually did it that anybody knew about.

Mail Buoy Watch was another tradition. We had a Foul Weather bell up on the forward starboard catwalk off the flightdeck. The guys on the Bridge could see it fine including the old man. You placed a Noob there and said now if you see a Buoy you ring the bell and wave your hands frantically at that guy up there on the bridge. We sent noobs around for a Bucket of Steam, a Light Bulb repair Kit and the best was a BT Punch. A BT was a Boiler Tech. noob came back and says everybody just laughed and hit my arm. In todays PC world I imagine tacking on a persons Crow { Hitting The Eagle on a new NCO’s rank insignia} would be punishable now.

We did have several swim calls where the Captain stopped the ship and we got to swim. The tough part was we had to climb down a cargo net from the hanger deck to the water and back up. There were Marines watching with rifles in case sharks popped up LOL.

37 posted on 06/24/2012 4:53:43 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Uncle Slayton

“We should give sailors a medal for hazing the Sodomites.”

They were hazing a guy who had almost become the victim of a forcible rape.

How does that warrant such treatment?


38 posted on 06/24/2012 5:06:38 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: moonshot925

Any way you turn it, it’s trouble.


39 posted on 06/24/2012 5:14:08 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: moonshot925

I thought Diego Garcia was a naval base, not a “port”.


40 posted on 06/24/2012 5:19:43 PM PDT by Rebelbase (The most transparent administration ever is clear as mud.)
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To: Rebelbase

I heard Diego is FAr from what I saw in 1981

it is a full fleged base, fresh water and all

packed with people, NSA, too


41 posted on 06/24/2012 5:31:20 PM PDT by RaceBannon (I wont vote for a gay marriage marxist gun grabber, or vote for Obama, either)
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To: Rebelbase

The Ohio class SSGNs are homeported at Bangor, Washington and Kings Bay, Georgia but they also operate out of other bases like Guam.


42 posted on 06/24/2012 5:37:53 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: cva66snipe

You forgot sending a noob to get x number of feet of waterline. :-)


43 posted on 06/24/2012 5:39:28 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

Our mail buoy noob had to put on a complete foul weather suit, equipped with spot lights strapped on to each side of his head, THEN he was told to go to every crew member on watch and ask if they had any mail to send.

OH THE HORRORS....


44 posted on 06/24/2012 5:53:55 PM PDT by rottndog (Political Correctness KILLS...)
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To: moonshot925
What boat was she? LA class? Seawolf? Virginia?

USS Florida (SSGN-728) is a converted Ohio-class Submarine.

Instead of Trident C-4 missiles, she now carries 145 Tomahawk missiles in 22 groups of 7. She is home ported about 4 miles from me.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

45 posted on 06/24/2012 5:56:39 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: cva66snipe

Oh, and sending a noob to get some relative bearing grease.


46 posted on 06/24/2012 5:59:28 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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To: LonePalm

Never saw an E-4 petty officer driving a boat. Job sucked - was boring -

What the heck was a Master Chief doing as a COB? They long stopped ship/shore rotations.


47 posted on 06/24/2012 6:02:50 PM PDT by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: cva66snipe

We had them get upper relative bearing grease and water hammers.


48 posted on 06/24/2012 6:04:53 PM PDT by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: LonePalm

She fired a whole bunch of Tomahawks at Libya last year.


49 posted on 06/24/2012 6:05:17 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: ilgipper
We’ll lose good men and our forces will be weaker because of it.

No offense, but.. duh!!!!

That was pretty much the entire point of ... uh... thrusting gays into the military, yes?

50 posted on 06/24/2012 6:05:30 PM PDT by workerbee (We're not scared, Maobama -- we're pissed off!)
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