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To: moonshot925

Read the whole article....from what is being reported, there is no hazing involved here—hazing generally occurs to new crew members. At worst, nothing more than prolonged verbal harassment. There seems to be more to this than what is in the story. I’m guessing the individual is especially sensitive and may have his own ‘issues’.

BTW, ‘hazing’ as it is called now is nothing more than traditional rites of passage. It’s how the mettle of a new crew member is tested. EVERYONE new to a boat will go through it in some form or another. True, some knuckleheads can take things too far, but for the most part it’s all in good fun, and it’s how a crew really comes together.

I endured my fair share. Someone who can’t deal with something that trivial, probably can’t handle the real stress of operating a boat, and ultimately shouldn’t be on the boat to begin with. Not everyone’s cut out for it.


21 posted on 06/24/2012 2:26:22 PM PDT by rottndog (Political Correctness KILLS...)
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To: rottndog
Read the whole article....from what is being reported, there is no hazing involved here—hazing generally occurs to new crew members. At worst, nothing more than prolonged verbal harassment. There seems to be more to this than what is in the story. I’m guessing the individual is especially sensitive and may have his own ‘issues’. BTW, ‘hazing’ as it is called now is nothing more than traditional rites of passage. It’s how the mettle of a new crew member is tested. EVERYONE new to a boat will go through it in some form or another. True, some knuckleheads can take things too far, but for the most part it’s all in good fun, and it’s how a crew really comes together. I endured my fair share. Someone who can’t deal with something that trivial, probably can’t handle the real stress of operating a boat, and ultimately shouldn’t be on the boat to begin with. Not everyone’s cut out for it.

I remember two hazings both were long standing traditional ones when I was in. The first involved a ship wide search for Wogs and riding the ship of them by initiation into the Order of The Shellback. The most disgusting part was kissing the Royal Baby's Belly. LOL

The second one went on for weeks. The straight out of basic noob would have his name posted as a piece of equipment on the shop MS Board with a code that usually meant Grease. When the hazing finally happened it was all hands in the shop were present except senior enlisted. The Noob would find himself suddenly being held by all limbs and a rope place around his legs. The noob was carefully hung by his feet from the overhead and his clothing pulled down. Into the clothing went a very generous portion of Graphite Grease then the clothing very snugly pulled back up and the guy let down. Total elapsed time maybe one minute.

Being a Snipe on a ship is dirty, filthy, hot work under the worse of conditions. A person having an avoidance to getting as greasy as Tar Baby is of little use. This gets most persons past it. Short of an accident or fire you have experienced the worse thing done to someone on a ship. That hazing done by Snipes was being ordered discontinued and becoming a punishable offense about the time I got out.

That hazing was done only once in your career by tradition. It was done a second time as a punishment or at least the threat of it was to deal with screw ups making everyone life miserable and keeping the shop in hot water. The newly initiated Snipe would be in on the next hazing.

31 posted on 06/24/2012 3:56:08 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: rottndog

Here’s a Navy Times article that gives more information.

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2012/06/navy-florida-submarine-culture-hazing-062312w/


53 posted on 06/24/2012 7:11:56 PM PDT by rwa265 ("This is My Beloved Son, Listen to Him.")
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