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To: DrKay

‘You are correct that the Brits could have wiped the Jews out after WW2 but chose not to. The reasons they did not are not the ones you mentioned. Unlike you most Brits were decent people who wanted nothing to do with genocide. They knew that they bore a moral responsibility for allowing millions of Jews to be murdered by not allowing them to emigrate from the European continent to Israel/Palestine during the Holocaust.’

Firstly, I am a decent person. I am pro-Israel and a great admirer of Jews. The only Jews I cant stand are the men and women of those two 1940’s groups and those who would try and justify their murderous activities.

Secondly, if Britain is morally culpable, **** knows how culpable that makes America.

‘It is great that the Brits fought the Nazis. But they did not do it to save what was left of European Jews. They did it to save their country after Hitler was a threat to them. Before that they were OK giving him a free hand to do whatever he wanted in Eastern Europe, including with the Jews. You have conveniently omitted Neville Chamberlain’s craven capitulation to the Nazis when he gifted Czechoslovakia to them and then declared that he had bought “peace in our time?”’

Nowhere did I say we fought ww2 purely to save Jews. My point was more to point out the sad irony of British soldiers fighting the Nazis for six years, at one point alone, and even liberate Belsen, only to have (some) Jews despise them.

‘After WW1 Britain was given a MANDATE (that means something they had to do) by the League of Nations to create a Jewish Homeland in “Palestine.” The territory of that Mandate included what is now Israel and Jordan, a pretty big piece of real estate.

Nefariously, Britain chopped off the lion’s share of that territory and gave it to a Saudi prince, Abdullah, creating the Judenrein nation of Trans Jordan.

The so called “Jewish extremists” realized that the Jewish people could not rely on the Brits for their survival and did what they had to do for the restoration of of Jewish sovereignty.’

They were extremists, they were terrorists. Dont try the noxious idea of putting inverted commas around them to signify that they werent.

And remember that many Jews OPPOSED what they did, inside Palestine and outside. Ben Gurion being the most famous. There were decent and honourable Jewish people and groups who wanted what the two terrorist groups wanted, BUT knew that violence and terror was morally wrong, morally unjustifiable. They worked WITH the British to hunt down the Irgun and Stern groups.

So dont give me the BS that they HAD to do what they did. They could have gained their country peacefully. Through politics. Your argument that they HAD to resort to violence and murder is complete BS.

If you argue that they were justified in their violence, then what the IRA did/does or ETA did/does is also perfectly justifiable. And ergo most terrorism.

‘You know what they say: “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.”’

Yes, I do. And it is the biggest load of bull of modern times. And it is a pathetic moral and intellectual enditement of our times because it was never an actual serious quote. Yet a generation of people who prefer to spout meaningless ‘buzzphrases’ have latched on to it and spout it endlessly with no understanding of what it actually means.

You DO know where it comes from, dont you?. Dont you?.

It comes from the pen of a BRITISH novelist: Gerald Seymour. In his classic 1975 novel, Harry’s Game (later made into a classic British TV drama), the phrase is uttered by an IRA terrorist trying to justify what he is doing.

BTW, even IF it WERE a real and serious argument, its still the biggest load of tripe. An argument any intelligent person can destroy in a few seconds.

‘The Nazis did not want that. They wanted all Jews in the entire world killed. You know that very well which underlines the duplicity of your post.’

No, what the Nazis initially wanted was the expulsion of Jews, Judaism and Jewish culture from Germany and Europe. If you know your history, you will know that the Nazis looked many times at ways to throw all German/Austrian, and later European, Jews out of Europe. Either force the UK, US etc to take them, or to force the British to accept all Jews to Palestine. I assume you know of the famous ideas like deporting all Jews to Madagascar.

Later, with the horrible idea of the Final Solution, they decided murder would be the most effective way. BUT the Germans from 1933 to 1942 also many times considered deportation and mass expulsion of Jews to be an answer to the ‘Jewish problem’. The Final Solution was not an idea thought of in 1933, or 1935 or even 1939. It came as an ‘evolution’ in the line of vile Nazi ideas.


34 posted on 06/26/2012 3:41:49 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: the scotsman

The bottom line is that if not for the actions of the Irgun and Lechi (aka the Stern Gang), the Brits would not have left Israel/Palestine.
During the 1948 Israeli War of Independence the Brits flew fighter jets for the Egyptians against the Jewish State.
As for your jab at America, America never occupied Israel/Palestine and was never charged with the creation of a Jewish Homeland. Britain had that legal and moral obligation and did not live up to its responsibilities.
Although Ben Gurion initially disagreed with Begin and Shamir, they eventually joined forces and cooperated to oust the British and fight them and the Arab armies which invaded Israel during the War of Independence.
The facts stand for themselves.


45 posted on 06/27/2012 6:21:33 AM PDT by DrKay
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