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Uruguay Government Plans To Sell Marijuana
Personal Liberty Digest ^ | 6/25/ 2012 | Bryan Nash

Posted on 06/25/2012 9:21:35 AM PDT by ex-Texan

In an attempt to lower crime and raise government revenue, Uruguay is planning on legalizing marijuana. Currently, it is legal to possess less than 25 grams of cannabis, but it is illegal to grow or sell it.

If the proposal passes, Uruguay’s government would oversee the growth and distribution of the $75 million business. Buyers would be required to register with the government.

“It’s a fight on both fronts: against consumption and drug trafficking,” said defense minister Eleuterio Fernandez Huidobro. “We think the prohibition of certain drugs is creating more problems for society than the drugs themselves.”

Congress must approve the proposal, but Julio Calzada, secretary-general of the National Drugs Board in Uruguay, thinks there is a good chance it will pass. “We have hopes that legislators from all four parties can support the measure,” he said.

But some marijuana users have a different opinion. “People who consume are not going to buy it from the state,” said marijuana smoker Natalia Pereira. “They’re going to be mistrust buying it from a place where you have to register and they can typecast you.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: cannabis; controlledsubstance; dopersrights; druglaws; drugs; drugwar; expats; grass; marijuana; moving; overseas; pot; powertotax; uruguay; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
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1 posted on 06/25/2012 9:21:41 AM PDT by ex-Texan
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To: ex-Texan

The first country to seriously jump on the allow-and-tax bandwagon will reap a whirlwind of controversy and also a cornucopia of taxes. All eyes are on Uruguay now.


2 posted on 06/25/2012 9:24:03 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: ex-Texan

Sounds like a good start.


3 posted on 06/25/2012 9:24:07 AM PDT by riverrunner
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*Ping* !


4 posted on 06/25/2012 9:25:26 AM PDT by ex-Texan ((Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20))
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To: ex-Texan

Finally, we might get a chance to see for ourselves what will really happen if it’s legalised.


5 posted on 06/25/2012 9:29:10 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: ex-Texan

Outbreaks of rationality are always something to worry about.


6 posted on 06/25/2012 9:29:43 AM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Look for Obozo to suddenly have a need to make a Latin American Tour to ‘shore up our sagging relations’ with Uruguay...........


7 posted on 06/25/2012 9:30:53 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: stuartcr

It was legal in the USA until about 1937.

What is this 75 million number? That is nothing.


8 posted on 06/25/2012 9:32:30 AM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; riverrunner
Images of Uruguay

http://www.bing.com/search?FORM=BABTDF&PC=BBLN&q=Uruguay

U.S. Dept of State Background Note: Uruguay

9 posted on 06/25/2012 9:33:40 AM PDT by ex-Texan ((Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20))
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To: arrogantsob

Yes, I know. I don’t think it was taxed then, was it?

I guess the $75M is what the gov projected revenue will be.


10 posted on 06/25/2012 9:41:36 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: ex-Texan

“Uruguay is distinguished by its high literacy rate, large urban middle class, and relatively even income distribution.”

Apparently Uruguayans aren’t dummies.

If Uruguay goes through with this, they are going to make a killing in tax revenue. Pot has problems, but it’s very arguable whether or not the problems caused by trying to ban it are worse. Maybe Uruguay will get a lot of “pot vacationers” but seriously, unless that was deliberately for a one time lark, said vacationers have to disappoint themselves by returning home sometime.


11 posted on 06/25/2012 9:42:12 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: ex-Texan

It’s a proven fact that long-term marijuana use decays the brain.


12 posted on 06/25/2012 9:45:23 AM PDT by samtheman (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/21/obamas-socialist-designs/)
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To: stuartcr

No, it was not taxed.

So you thing the 75 million is projected tax revenue not total revenue? That makes sense.


13 posted on 06/25/2012 9:45:57 AM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
1 USD = 21.64955 UYU

http://themoneyconverter.com/USD/UYU.aspx

In Europe, thousands of places will not take U.S. $ 50 bills thanks to Bernanke's corrupt banking policies.

http://www.bing.com/search?FORM=BABTDF&PC=BBLN&q=real+estate+in++Uruguay

14 posted on 06/25/2012 9:50:20 AM PDT by ex-Texan ((Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20))
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To: arrogantsob

Just a guess, there wasn’t much info in the article.


15 posted on 06/25/2012 9:50:20 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: samtheman

As will sufficient alcohol. And drinking Drano is another way to say goodbye to this cruel world. How hard do we have to strive for the easily corrupted hand of government to save people from themselves?


16 posted on 06/25/2012 9:55:09 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: samtheman

So does alcohol.


17 posted on 06/25/2012 9:55:41 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: samtheman

What’s your excuse? Is it the bottle or the junk food?

I would ask for a citation but we both know you dont have one.


18 posted on 06/25/2012 10:03:28 AM PDT by drunknsage
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To: stuartcr

Non sequitur, are you formerly British or Aussie?


19 posted on 06/25/2012 10:04:01 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: samtheman

...and alcohol helps your brain?


20 posted on 06/25/2012 10:06:29 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

Nope, US since birth


21 posted on 06/25/2012 10:09:16 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr

Just asking due to the way you spelled legalised instead of legalized.


22 posted on 06/25/2012 10:12:02 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: ex-Texan
Buyers would be required to register with the government. “It’s a fight on both fronts: against consumption and drug trafficking,” said defense minister Eleuterio Fernandez Huidobro. “We think the prohibition of certain drugs is creating more problems for society than the drugs themselves.”

How does this fight consumption? And there will still be scofflaws who traffic illegally (unlicensed). So there will still be a drug war against those who don't pay "their fair share" to Big Government (users and growers).

23 posted on 06/25/2012 10:26:15 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The media ignored the 40th anniversary of Bill Ayers' Pentagon bombing but not Watergate. Ask Why.)
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To: ex-Texan

If you want to drain the swamp (remove druggies from society) to get rid of the alligators (drug dealers) you have to drain the water (lure the druggies) somewhere. Uruguay sounds like it would be a good drain far from us.

It will be interesting to see what happens.


24 posted on 06/25/2012 10:30:37 AM PDT by helpfulresearcher (Socialism is just like any other form of corruption, except that it is perpetrated by a mob.)
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To: ex-Texan

If you want to drain the swamp (remove druggies from society) to get rid of the alligators (drug dealers) you have to drain the water (lure the druggies) somewhere. Uruguay sounds like it would be a good drain far from us.

It will be interesting to see what happens.


25 posted on 06/25/2012 10:30:58 AM PDT by helpfulresearcher (Socialism is just like any other form of corruption, except that it is perpetrated by a mob.)
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To: EEGator

I often get my z and s mixed up. I usually spell Brasil instead of the z.


26 posted on 06/25/2012 10:36:13 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr

That’s how to spell it in Portuguese.


27 posted on 06/25/2012 10:38:40 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

Yeah, I lived in Brasil for a while.


28 posted on 06/25/2012 10:39:51 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: helpfulresearcher

‘Draining the swamp’ in the U.S. is an impossible task.


29 posted on 06/25/2012 10:44:33 AM PDT by ex-Texan ((Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20))
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To: samtheman

It’s a proven fact that long-term marijuana use decays the brain.

...and the proof is?

Frankly, the need to use mind altering substances in order to tolerate life is a bit stupid, IMHO, but then one has to contemplate that alcohol remains legal, and has serious long term physically debilitating results if carried to the point of alcoholism. The seriously LESS debilitating and unproven long term physical destruction of Marijuana remains in question.

What is it in comparison that would justify the one being legal and the other banned by government?


30 posted on 06/25/2012 10:49:08 AM PDT by wita
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To: stuartcr

Cool, how did you like it?


31 posted on 06/25/2012 11:04:16 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: ex-Texan

I’d enthusiastically embrace letting the United States government go into the marijuana business if it could be staffed 100% by liberals who would resign their positions of power in all other branches of government.


32 posted on 06/25/2012 11:28:22 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: ex-Texan; helpfulresearcher
If you want to drain the swamp (remove druggies from society) to get rid of the alligators (drug dealers)

‘Draining the swamp’ in the U.S. is an impossible task.

Correct - as is removing users of the drug alcohol. Now, we did manage to get rid of the violent criminals profiting off alcohol - and the way we did that was to legalize that drug.

33 posted on 06/25/2012 11:32:40 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Vigilanteman
I’d enthusiastically embrace letting the United States government go into the marijuana business if

Not me. But I would enthusiastically embrace letting United States citizens go into the marijuana business and requiring the United States government to mind its own business.

34 posted on 06/25/2012 11:34:47 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Not me. But I would enthusiastically embrace letting United States citizens go into the marijuana business and requiring the United States government to mind its own business.        

How about meth and crack cocaine? Real libertarians want those to be publicly available too. Are you are a real libertarian loon or only halfway?

35 posted on 06/25/2012 11:49:39 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: EEGator

I was real young, it was back in the ‘50s. Things were way different than now. I would certainly like to re-visit it now though. I do remember getting it wrong when I spelled it with an s after we moved back to the states. For some reason, the s seems better than the z.


36 posted on 06/25/2012 11:59:48 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: dennisw

How do you know real libertarians want that? Is it published somewhere?


37 posted on 06/25/2012 12:04:44 PM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: dennisw
Not me. But I would enthusiastically embrace letting United States citizens go into the marijuana business and requiring the United States government to mind its own business.

How about meth and crack cocaine?

I think the prudent course is to legalize only marijuana at first, and revisit the questions you raise in (say) five years or so when we've had a chance to see how it worked. In my opinion, banning any drug does more harm than the drug itself - and I think the results of marijuana legalization would bear that out.

Real libertarians want those to be publicly available too. Are you are a real libertarian loon or only halfway?

I neither know nor care which (if any) of your labels I fit.

38 posted on 06/25/2012 12:15:12 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies; stuartcr

I know a loony libertarian when I see one. A libertarian who wants legal marijuana which will create more Democrat voters. Democrats are salivating at the prospect. Make more stoned Obama voters! Not that you silly goofs give a crap. You have a big crusade to fight. Your heroic struggle to get intoxicated by an alien drug

Alcohol is mentioned in the Bible and is part of the Western tradition. Pot is alien to all this. So is meth which is synthetic and an outright poison and so is crack cocaine. Why not make (also synthetic) LSD legal! Let it all hang out! Make more Obama voters!
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The Pusher
Steppenwolf Lyrics
[ from Easy Rider Soundtrack ]

You know I’ve smoked a lot of grass
O’ Lord, I’ve popped a lot of pills
But I never touched nothin’
That my spirit could kill
You know, I’ve seen a lot of people walkin’ ‘round
With tombstones in their eyes
But the pusher don’t care
Ah, if you live or if you die

God damn, The Pusher
God damn, I say The Pusher
I said God damn, God damn The Pusher man

You know the dealer, the dealer is a man
With the love grass in his hand
Oh but the pusher is a monster
Good God, he’s not a natural man
The dealer for a nickel
Lord, will sell you lots of sweet dreams
Ah, but the pusher ruin your body
Lord, he’ll leave your, he’ll leave your mind to scream

God damn, The Pusher
God damn, God damn the Pusher
I said God damn, God, God damn The Pusher man

Well, now if I were the president of this land
You know, I’d declare total war on The Pusher man
I’d cut him if he stands, and I’d shoot him if he’d run
Yes I’d kill him with my Bible and my razor and my gun

God damn The Pusher
Gad damn The Pusher
I said God damn, God damn The Pusher man


39 posted on 06/25/2012 12:58:56 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: samtheman
“It’s a proven fact that long-term marijuana use decays the brain.”

Says who?

There is not a single recorded case of cannabis causing any damage to the brain or body. Nor is there even a single recorded case of permanent changes of any kind to the body. Even when abused, there is no such thing as toxicity or physical addiction when it comes to cannabis. It has not even been conclusively proven to cause dangerous impairment in drivers. The only conclusive side effect is lung damage and that can easily be avoided by eating or vaporizing cannabis. And don't forget the vast industrial benefits of legal hemp.

Alcohol, on the other hand, is 100% undoubtedly toxic and highly physically addictive. If you consume enough alcohol, it is 100% medically guaranteed to rot your brain and every other organ. The liver is critical and usually goes first so you rarely get to witness the full brain rot. Countless people literally die from alcohol poisoning every year. Alcohol is so addictive that one can die from the withdrawal. Not even heroin withdrawal can do this.

40 posted on 06/25/2012 1:01:36 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: dennisw
legal marijuana which will create more Democrat voters.

Marijuana turns non-Dems into Dems? Have any proof?

Alcohol is mentioned in the Bible and is part of the Western tradition. Pot is alien to all this.

Alcohol is more addictive than pot, and unlike pot can kill you in a single evening of use.

Cannabis was widely known and accepted in the U.S. by the early 20th century; many Americans didn't realize until after it was banned (for supposedly making Mexicans crazy and helping Negro jazz musicians seduce white women) that the now-illegal "marihuana" was the same thing as cannabis.

So is meth which is synthetic

What's wrong with synthetics? Do you take no synthetic medicines? Use no plastics?

and an outright poison

As is alcohol - and as isn't marijuana.

and so is crack cocaine. Why not make (also synthetic) LSD legal!

Why not indeed ... unlike alcohol it's nonaddictive.

You know I’ve smoked a lot of grass
O’ Lord, I’ve popped a lot of pills
But I never touched nothin’
That my spirit could kill

So grass and pills are OK with you?

41 posted on 06/25/2012 1:15:49 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Everyone knows that legalizing pot will create more Obama voters and more Democrat voters. If you took a poll of pot smokers I am sure they would tell you that at least 70% will be voting for Obama....If they can get their stoned asses to the polls

Then you have some pot heads who are libertarians and a few are conservative I suppose. You are like the gays who want gay marriage and overturn long held Western traditions and religion to promote their perverted anal-centric lifestyles. The pot legalizers and drug legalizers are not content with the traditional intoxicant of Europeans and NE Asians. Alcohol. Instead you ninnies need your 3rd world drugs like marijuana, cocaine, heroin (poppies)and don’t seem to have much of a problem with synthetics drugs, LSD and methedrine


42 posted on 06/25/2012 3:09:39 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

That is from the song, The Pusher. It is a song, snap out of it.


43 posted on 06/25/2012 3:11:09 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: Red Badger
"Look for Obozo to suddenly have a need to make a Latin American Tour to ‘shore up our sagging relations’ with Uruguay..........."
The article said they're considering legalizing pot not cocaine!

Oh wait ... nevermind. ;-)


44 posted on 06/25/2012 3:23:14 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: stuartcr

I’ll go out on a limb and predict a sudden spike in tourism from Argentina and Chile.


45 posted on 06/25/2012 6:12:44 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: ex-Texan

Maybe politically correct, socialist politicians will follow the dopers down to Uruguay in order to stay with their voting base.


46 posted on 06/25/2012 8:19:57 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: dennisw
Everyone knows that legalizing pot will create more Obama voters and more Democrat voters. If you took a poll of pot smokers I am sure they would tell you that at least 70% will be voting for Obama

Where's the proof that this number would be larger if pot was legal?

Then you have some pot heads who are libertarians and a few are conservative I suppose. You are like the gays who want gay marriage and overturn long held Western traditions and religion to promote their perverted anal-centric lifestyles.

Bad analogy - homosexual activity, unlike pot, is already legal.

The pot legalizers and drug legalizers are not content with the traditional intoxicant of Europeans

Not everyone enjoys vomiting and hangovers ... go figure. Why should intoxicants be legally limited to "traditional" ones? Should heterosexual sex positions be legally limited to "traditional" ones?

47 posted on 06/26/2012 11:34:15 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: dennisw
You know I’ve smoked a lot of grass
O’ Lord, I’ve popped a lot of pills
But I never touched nothin’
That my spirit could kill

So grass and pills are OK with you?

That is from the song, The Pusher. It is a song, snap out of it.

So you're quoting, without comment, song lyrics you disagree with? Why?

48 posted on 06/26/2012 11:36:15 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: familyop
Maybe politically correct, socialist politicians will follow the dopers down to Uruguay

Or maybe the replacement of utopian drug-free fantasies with practical policies will migrate up from Uruguay to the USA.

49 posted on 06/26/2012 11:39:31 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Just say no to dope. Ever wonder why they call it dope?


50 posted on 06/26/2012 3:41:09 PM PDT by dennisw
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