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Putin praises Palestinians’ ‘responsible’ stance in peace negotiations
AP ^ | June 26, 2012

Posted on 06/26/2012 5:42:59 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

Visiting Russian President Vladimir Putin praised his Palestinian counterpart Tuesday for what he said was a “responsible” position in negotiations with Israel, frozen for nearly four years, and said Russia has no problem recognizing a Palestinian state.

Mr. Putin also offered veiled criticism of Israel, saying unilateral actions — an apparent reference to continued Israeli settlement expansion on war-won land — is not constructive.

Mr. Putin spoke at the end of a visit to the biblical West Bank town of Bethlehem, with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas by his side. Mr. Putin inaugurated a Russian cultural and language centre in Bethlehem and toured the church built over the traditional birth grotto of Jesus.

Israeli-Palestinian talks on the terms of Palestinian statehood broke off in 2008. Repeated efforts to restart them have failed because of wide gaps between Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Mr. Abbas.

Mr. Netanyahu says he is ready to resume talks any time, but refuses to halt construction in Jewish settlements on lands Israel captured in the 1967 Mideast war. Mr. Abbas says there’s no point negotiating as long as Israel keeps building for Jews in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, occupied territories the Palestinians want for a state, along with the Gaza Strip. Israel has moved half a million settlers to the West Bank and east Jerusalem since the 1967 war.

“We talked about ways of overcoming the dilemma of the Israeli-Palestinian peace process,” Mr. Putin said Tuesday. “I point out here the responsible position of President Abbas and his endeavour to reach a peaceful settlement based on a two-state settlement.”

“I am sure that all unilateral actions are not constructive,” he added.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; Russia
KEYWORDS: bible; endtimes; israel; palestine; prophecy; putin; roadmap; russia

1 posted on 06/26/2012 5:43:03 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

the traditional birth grotto of Jesus.

I must have missed that part.

2 posted on 06/26/2012 5:46:51 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The “Palestinian state peace deal” will be brokered by the Antichrist - or more accurately, the Antichrist shall confirm the covenant for 7 years.

And in the middle of the 7 years, he shall enter the 3rd temple in Jerusalem and declare himself to be “god”.

And the False Prophet who assists him will tell the people of the Earth to build an image to the Antichrist Beast and receive his mark so that they can buy or sell.

Those who refuse will be killed, but will save their souls.

Revelation 13:4-18

King James Version (KJV)

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Revelation 20:4

King James Version (KJV)

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 14:9-11

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9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

3 posted on 06/26/2012 6:31:26 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Really? One word: Chechnya.

4 posted on 06/26/2012 6:38:22 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: F15Eagle

Looks like the 6th Trumpet war is just about here.

5 posted on 06/26/2012 6:50:06 AM PDT by lookout88 (.combat officer's dad)
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To: lookout88

Yes, I expect the rider on the white horse of Revelation 6:2 is waiting in the wings to go forth to conquer, with all the deception of the Evil One.

Revelation 6:2

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2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.,9&version=KJV

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

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3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2 Thessalonians 2:9

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9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

6 posted on 06/26/2012 6:58:24 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

With all the power that the U. S. has, and all the power it’s old nemesis Russia still has, it is remarkable to me that the Middle-East is still where the flash-point remains.

Folks can scoff at the particulars of these prophecies all they want, but I can’t shake the realization that words written thousands of years ago, are still as accurate as if they were written last week.

I personally believe these predictions bear testimony to the accuracy of God’s word, and we take undue risk by not incorporating Biblical teachings into our comportment and belief system.

7 posted on 06/26/2012 10:00:21 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: DoughtyOne

It certainly would have seemed preposterous for Israel to ever become a nation again. Yet the Word of God said they would. But folks doubted and replacement theology set in with some.

And after 1900 years, Israel became a nation again.

The Jew would also have to regain Jerusalem for some of the prophecies to fulfill. Against all odds, they did (and then gave 1/2 back immediately).

The fact that these remarkable things have been fulfilled while in and around our lifetimes bears witness that we are in the season of the Lord’s Return.

Whenever I may doubt, I can turn on the TV and Jerusalem and dividing Israel are the problems the world keeps trying and keeps saying they want to solve.

And that gives me the confidence that these things will come to pass exactly as they are written, although sometimes they still have some aspects that seem almost preposterous.

But when they come to pass, they will be all too real.

It’s striking that the Quartet, of which our nation is part, is trying to do exactly what the Bible says the Antichrist will eventually do - divide Israel for peace.

For lurkers who don’t know - the Quartet is the U.S., the U.N., the E.U. and Russia. Google Tony Blair, the Tony Blair Foundation and the Quartet to see.

Also for lurkers, an article from a few years ago - regarding the Quartet’s “Roadmap to Peace” - this is why Pooty-Poot said what he did.

“Roadmap to Armageddon”

The “Quartet” of Bush, Putin, UN, and EU is determined, through a division of land, to bring a “just and lasting peace” into the Middle East between Israel and her neighbors. Assuming they are sincere and not just working for their own interests, their mental state must be on a par with those who gave the Nobel Peace Prize to Yasser Arafat, a mass murderer, habitual liar, and the world’s leading terrorist, who has done more than anyone to destroy world peace. How thankful the West should be that Al Gore (who repeatedly, as vice president, warmly received Arafat into the White House) is not there now as president!

In fact, Muhammad, whose word cannot be changed, imposed upon every Muslim in every age the duty of exterminating all Jews. Only then can the “Last Day” (the climax of Islam) arrive. That fact makes “peace” between Israel and Muslims impossible—ever. Any apparent “peace” agreements signed by Muslim leaders are not worth the ink in their signatures! In the ten years prior to the signing of the Oslo Accords, 211 Israelis were killed by terrorists; in the ten years since, about 1,200 have been killed and 5,000 wounded.

No Arab/Muslim political or religious leader can contradict Islam’s founding prophet. Thus to continue to pursue a negotiated “peace” in the Middle East is the height of folly! Yet Western political and religious leaders continue to hold out that vain hope and to force concessions upon Israel that pave the road to her destruction!

Modern Israel occupies a relatively small piece of land. Arabs possess 700 times as much, with vast amounts of oil and minerals. Why are they determined to possess tiny Israel too? Islam says it belongs to them!

A sovereign Jewish state proves that Muhammad was a false prophet, and that Allah is not God. Muslims must destroy Israel!

Both the Bible and Qur’an agree that 4,000 years ago God gave the Promised Land to Abraham and his Israeli descendants. Yet, the Arabs claim ownership through Ishmael, Abraham’s first son. But God declared that not Ishmael, but Isaac, who would be born to Sarah, was the son and heir He had promised (Gen:17:15-21).

Like his father, Isaac also had two sons, Esau and Jacob; and again the Lord rejected the firstborn and gave the inheritance to the second—so the inheritance flows from Abraham to Isaac and on to Jacob, whose name God changed to Israel. Twelve times Yahweh calls Himself “the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob,” declaring, “this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial to all generations” (Ex 3:15). More than 200 times, from Exodus:5:1 to Luke:1:68, Yahweh is called “the God of Israel.”

Muslims claim that the Bible was corrupted by later revisions. However, the Bible’s thousands of manuscripts, historical and prophetic accuracy, and the intricate integration of themes from Genesis to Revelation (none of which the Qur’an can boast!) reduce such a claim to nonsense. Furthermore, the Qur’an itself supports what the Bible says concerning Israel’s claim to the Promised Land:

“We made a covenant of old with the Children of Israel” (Surah 5:70); “We brought the children of Israel across the [Red] sea, and Pharaoh with his hosts pursued them...” (10:91). “…[B]ut we drowned him and those with him all together. And we said unto the Children of Israel...dwell in the land [and] hereafter...we shall bring you...out of various nations” (17:103, 104); “[W]e delivered the children of Israel... from Pharaoh....We chose them, purposely, above all creatures” (44:30-32); “favored them above all peoples” (45:16); “Remember Allah’s favor to you...He...gave you what he gave no other of his creatures. O my people, go into the Holy Land which Allah hath ordained for you” (95:20, 21); etc.

The territory God gave to Abram (later renamed Abraham by God) and to his descend-ants was not “Palestine,” but Canaan: “Into the land of Canaan they came” (Gen:12:5, 6). There were no “Palestinians” from whom those who take that name today claim to be descended: “the Canaanite and Perizzite dwelled then in the land” (13:7).

Abram remained there the rest of his life: “...Abram dwelled in the land of Canaan” (13:12). God told him, “For all the thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever” (13:15); “...all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession” (Gen:17:8).

Abram settled in Hebron in Canaan and “built there an altar to the LORD [Yahweh]” (13:18)—not to Allah. Ten years later, Ishmael (the product of Abraham’s and Sarah’s unbelief) was born to him through Sarah’s maid, Hagar. Fourteen years later, when Abraham was 100 years old and Sarah 90, Isaac was born in Hebron to Abraham by his wife Sarah, exactly as God had promised.

Thirty-seven years later, at the age of 127, Sarah died. Abraham was still living in Hebron, having been there more than 70 years. To bury Sarah, he bought the cave of Machpelah from Ephron the Hittite (23:1-20).

Thirty-eight years later, at the age of 175, Abraham died. Isaac and Ishmael buried him in Machpelah next to Sarah. Isaac lived in Hebron 110 more years. Isaac, Rebekah, Jacob, and Leah were also buried in the cave of Machpelah.

Abraham had entered Canaan 400 years after the flood and 300 years after the Tower of Babel. It was sparsely settled, the land was his for the taking, and he, Isaac, Jacob, and their families, lived there more than 300 years before temporarily moving to Egypt to escape a famine. There, for 400 years they were slaves, just as God had said, until the Canaanites became so wicked that He was forced to destroy them. God used Israel for that task, giving them Canaan as an everlasting heritage (Gn 15:13-16), as He had promised.

God referred to Isaac as Abraham’s “only son” (Gen:22:2). Thus Ishmael was not buried in Machpelah, but where he had settled far away, having “died in the presence of all his brethren” (Gen:25:17, 18). No Arab or Muslim was ever buried in Machpelah.

Arabs can’t claim a pure descent from Ishmael. Ishmaelites intermarried with Midianites (Judg 8:5,12,22,24), Edomites (Gen:28:9), and Hittites (26:34; 36:1-4). In contrast, during 400 years as slaves in Egypt, the Israelites became an identifiable ethnic people who were led en masse into Canaan. We know who they are today.

Denying Israel’s God-given heritage, Yitzak Rabin, who had secretly promised Clinton he would give up the Golan, declared, “The Bible is not a geography book.” Shortly thereafter, he was assassinated, preventing him from giving to Syria the most strategically vital part of Israel.

It was not Arabs but Hebrews who settled in ancient Hebron and all of Canaan, creating Israel, whose kings ruled from Jerusalem over an empire stretching from the Sinai to the Euphrates. Around 600 B.C. they were conquered by the Babylonians and scattered to many nations.

Chased out of their land under God’s judgment in the Babylonian dispersion, and later twice by the Romans, numbers of Jews always returned. This despised people continued living in Israel under the oppressive heel of various occupying foreign invaders for another 2,500 years. On May 14, 1948, Israel declared itself an independent nation once again. The Jews once again possessed their own land, as God had promised—but only that small fraction of it that had been allotted by the UN partition on November 29, 1947.

In contrast, the Arabs never lived in Canaan, but settled in the Arabian Peninsula. Not until the seventh century A.D., through the Islamic invasions, did Arabs come in any significant numbers into the land of Israel, which, in A.D. 135, the Romans had angrily renamed Syria-Palestina, after Israel’s chief enemy, the Philistines.

The so-called Palestinians of today are Arabs whose ancestors came from Arabia. They are a Semitic people, with no relationship either to the Canaanites or the Philistines, who were not Semites. It is a blatant lie that today’s “Palestinians” (who at the same time claim descent from Ishmael) are descended from the original inhabitants of the land of Canaan, which God promised to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and their heirs.

David was first crowned king in Hebron and ruled there seven years before moving his throne to Jerusalem. This ancient city has no significance to Arabs/Muslims. Yet they have built a mosque at Machpelah, have forbidden access to Jews, and, at various times in history, have massacred Jews living there. Today Muslims are attempting to force out the few remaining Jews. They claim all of “Palestine” and state that Israelis are occupying land that belongs to them! And this fraud is the foundation for a so-called road map to peace!

President Bush, as a Christian, ought to tremble at God’s solemn warning that He will destroy all who divide His land (Joel:3:2). Yes, His land: “the land shall not be sold [or traded] for ever: for the land is mine” (Lev:25:23)! Quartet, take heed: you are defying the God of Israel and will not escape unpunished!

Those who make “peace” by taking land from Israel, which God gave her, will be destroyed: “[A]ll that burden themselves with it [Jerusalem] shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it” (Zec:12:3).

On September 13, 1993, under the triumphant gaze of a smiling President Clinton, Arafat signed, with Yitzak Rabin, the Oslo Accords on the White House lawn. The ink was scarcely dry when Arafat began publicly apologizing in Arabic to Muslims around the world. In fear for his life (remember Anwar Sadat’s murder by fellow Muslims for making “peace” with Israel), Arafat pleaded that he was only following the example of Muhammad and the Islamic law he established.

In A.D. 628, Muhammad led a few of his followers (recent converts to the new religion of Islam) from Medina back to Mecca, hoping to join thousands of pagan Arabs in the hajj . This annual pilgrimage to the Ka’aba (Islam, incredibly, claims it was built by Abraham and Ishmael!), with its elaborate ceremonies, had been practiced by pagan Arab tribes for centuries before Muhammad was born. He was turned back by the Meccans, but both parties signed a 10-year ceasefire known as the Treaty of Hubaybiya, as part of which Muhammad relinquished his claim to being “the prophet of Allah.”

This treaty allowed Muhammad the next year (A.D. 629) to lead a group of Muslims in the hajj . They joined thousands of “infidel” Arabs in the same pagan ceremonies that their ancestors had practiced for centuries (See TBC Q&A July ‘03 for the rituals).

In 630, Muhammad broke the ceasefire on a pretext and took over Mecca. At first, he allowed pagan Arabs to continue in the hajj , mingling with the new Muslims in the ancient rituals. Then he gave the pagans four months in which to convert to Islam or be killed. Thereafter, no non-Muslims were allowed into Mecca, as is true today.

So it is with Ramadan, which President Bush (like previous U.S. presidents) and other western leaders naively honor as a “holy Muslim holiday.” Beginning with the first sighting of the new moon in the ninth month of the Muslim lunar calendar, Ramadan was celebrated by pagan Arabs in honor of Allah, the moon god, for centuries before Islam. To the hajj and Ramadan, Muhammad added the horror of jihad and commanded Muslims to take over the world. That belief has cost millions of innocent lives and drives terrorism today.

Those promoting the Road Map to Peace are following a history of good intentions on the part of Israel and the West, which invariably have been betrayed by the Arabs/Muslims and have steadily made Israel’s position more untenable. American presidents, one after another, have cajoled Israel into compromise after compromise with Arab/Muslim leaders that could only have been uproarious jokes as far as the latter were concerned. Always, the good intentions of Israel and the West have led only to their further humiliation.

Pursuing their impossible peace initiatives, world leaders defy the God of Israel and of the Bible. As the “heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing [and] the kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed” (Ps:2:1-2), those with “ears to hear” (Deut 29:4; Eze:12:2; Mat:11:15; 13:9, etc.) detect the terrifying sound of laughter: “He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision” (Ps:2:4).

We are in the late stages of the awesome fulfillment of Bible prophecy, behind which lies the omnipotent hand of God himself: “ I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem...” (Zec:12:2, 3).

That remarkable prophesy is being fulfilled today. Never before in history have all those surrounding Israel been united to destroy her. This significant development in history and Bible prophecy has come about through the rise of Islam.

Bush wants a “democratic, viable” Palestinian state living in peace with Israel, but no democracy exists, or can exist , in a Muslim society. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. Bush is trying to create democracy in Afghanistan and Iraq. If that could happen, it would shake the entire Muslim world. Islam cannot survive in freedom. No wonder there is such fanatical opposition from Muslims worldwide, even for the capture of that sadistic mass torturer and murderer, Saddam Hussein. Muslims hold 80 percent of the world’s political prisoners.

America’s precipitous withdrawal from Lebanon 20 years ago, fleeing from known Syrian/Iranian-sponsored terrorists instead of pursuing them, encouraged the terrorism rampant today worldwide. Can Bush really, with terrorist partners, stand up against the evil of terrorism? When will he admit that it is endemic to Islam? Will the strategic (politically correct?) time ever come for telling the truth? It remains to be seen whether the U.S.can eliminate terrorism, when our State Department secretly opposes Israel and favors Arabs.

The Bible foretells a false peace, by which Antichrist will “destroy many” (Dan:8:24,25). Tragically, Israel will be deceived, tear down the security wall now being built, and drop its guard, opening the door to “the time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jer:30:7) and Armageddon (Eze:38:11,12,14,16). Two-thirds of all Jews worldwide will be killed (Zec:13:8,9). Those who survive will believe in Christ and be saved when He rescues them and they recognize the crucified, resurrected Lord as their Messiah and God (Zec:12:10; Mat:24:13; Rom:11:25,26).

We must not abandon Afghanistan or Iraq. I receive letters from missionaries there who say, “The minute the American and British troops pull out, we are dead!” It is time for Christians to pray as never before—and to do all they can to bring the gospel of Jesus Christ to both Muslims and Jews. TBC

8 posted on 06/26/2012 11:12:43 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Tailgunner Joe.
9 posted on 06/27/2012 4:37:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Where can I send a check for the CHECHENS?

Puck Futin.

10 posted on 06/29/2012 8:01:09 AM PDT by Yehuda (
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