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Court upholds EPA's greenhouse gas rules
Reuters ^ | 6/26/12 | Ayesha Rascoe

Posted on 06/26/2012 2:13:38 PM PDT by Jean S

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. appeals court on Tuesday upheld the first-ever U.S. proposed rules governing heat-trapping greenhouse gases, clearing a path for sweeping regulations affecting vehicles, coal-burning power plants and other industrial facilities.

Handing a setback to industry and a victory to the Obama administration, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia unanimously ruled the Environmental Protection Agency's finding that carbon dioxide is a public danger and the decision to set limits for emissions from cars and light trucks were "neither arbitrary nor capricious."

The ruling, which addresses four separate lawsuits, upholds the underpinnings of the Obama administration's push to regulate carbon dioxide emissions, and is a rebuke to a major push by heavy industries including electric utilities, coal miners and states like Texas to block the EPA's path.

In the 82-page ruling, the three-judge panel also found that the EPA's interpretation of the Clean Air Act to regulate carbon dioxide regulations is "unambiguously correct."

The court also said it lacked jurisdiction to review the timing and scope of greenhouse gas rules that affect stationary sources like new coal-burning power plants and other large industrial sources.

EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson said the court found the agency "followed both the science and the law in taking common-sense, reasonable actions to address the very real threat of climate change by limiting greenhouse gas pollution from the largest sources."

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1 posted on 06/26/2012 2:13:45 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Jean S

If the EPA is that worried about emissions they need to shut up.


2 posted on 06/26/2012 2:19:44 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Jean S

The drumbeat of Obamanation rolls on: regulate -— control -— destroy -— Regulate -— control -— destroy -— REgulate -— control -— destroy -— REGulate -— control -— destroy -— REGU


3 posted on 06/26/2012 2:21:33 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Jean S
Handing a setback to industry and a victory to the Obama administration,

Setback to whom? The industry which will be forced to charge higher prices?

Bias, bias, bias. This is not a big bad industry vs. Mr. Smith. This is big bad government vs. Mr Smith.

4 posted on 06/26/2012 2:23:12 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Jean S

All should write to their congressman and urge them to support the Defending America’s Affordable Energy & Jobs Act introduced and sponsored by Tim Walberg (MI 7th). He already has more than 100 co sponsors but more are always welcome.

It would take the decision making out of the hands of the EPA and back into the hands of congress and by extension, into the hands of we the people.


5 posted on 06/26/2012 2:27:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Jean S

Obama wins and the American people get the shaft. There is no question Obama hates the United States and the American people.


6 posted on 06/26/2012 2:27:29 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: Jean S
...finding that carbon dioxide is a public danger...

Exhaling is dangerous to the public and should be regulated!

7 posted on 06/26/2012 2:29:41 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Jean S

Headline: Obama Wins Significantly Higher Energy Costs, Women and Children Hurt the Most


8 posted on 06/26/2012 2:30:30 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: Jean S

It is the DC circuit. My hope is that this will work its way up and that it will be overturned. Elsewise it is even more important that conservatives be elected to end this monstrosity brought to us by Nixon


9 posted on 06/26/2012 2:37:54 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Raycpa

“This is not a big bad industry vs. Mr. Smith. This is big bad government vs. Mr Smith.”

That should be said repeatedly by every conservative running for office, and by Romney.


10 posted on 06/26/2012 2:38:47 PM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: Bushbacker1
Exhaling is dangerous to the public and should be regulated!

It will be.

Government will decide who is worthy of life and allowed to inhale and exhale via mandate to save the planet.

11 posted on 06/26/2012 2:40:26 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Jean S

“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis.”- David Rockefeller

It has been well established that the hoopla over the threat of climate change is all drama and little fact. The famous “hockey stick” graph created by Dr. Michael Mann asserting the 20th century was the warmest in 1,000 years was debunked by Canadian scientists McIntyre and McKitrick , who found serious errors in Mann’s analysis. (This is the famous graph used by Al Gore and the U.N. science panel to support their claim of man-caused global warming.)

In 2009, “Climategate” exposed the fact that climate scientists at the University of East Anglia and the U.S. had been manipulating and erasing data to arrive at predetermined outcomes supporting climate change. For instance, temperature measurements from stations in China failed to take into account their location and the influence of the warming effects of expanding cities.

In an attempt to make October 2009 the hottest on record, scientists at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) were caught using September figures for Russia. New Zealand’s NIWA, (National Institute of Water and Atmospheric research,) was caught manipulating raw data to show a significant rise in temperatures over the last century where none exists. This was followed by another discovery that a scientist (Briffa) had cherry-picked tree ring data in Russia to produce results indicating global warming.

A 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) claimed 80 per cent of Himalayan glacier area would be gone by 2035. However, 2012 research done by scientists at the University of Colorado based on observations from the Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE) satellite shows that the world’s greatest snow-capped peaks have lost no ice in the last decade and that polar ice is melting at a much lower rate than claimed.

In an actual field stdy by the Norwegian Polar Institute, a team found that past studies, which were based on computer models without any direct data for comparison or guidance, overestimated the water temperatures and extent of melting beneath the Fimbul Ice Shelf. This has led to the misconception, that the ice shelf is losing mass at a faster rate than it is gaining mass, leading to an overall loss of mass. Overall, according to the team, their field data shows “steady state mass balance” on the eastern Antarctic coasts – ie, that no ice is being lost from the massive shelves there. The research is published in the journalGeophysical Research Letters.

Studies have now shown that clouds over the poles, rather than trapping greenhouse gases, actually cool, rather than heat, the stratosphere. [Paper published in Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics June 2012] A comparison of the ARGO-ERA Global Ocean Heat Content Model projections for January 2003-2011 with actual measurements shows that the actual mean trend was negligible compared to model projections.

One of the fathers of Germany’s modern green movement, Professor Dr. Fritz Vahrenholt, found hundreds of errors in an IPCC report on renewable energy, but was ignored when he raised concerns. He proceeded to research the evidence and wrote a book based on 800 sources and using 80 charts critiquing the latest science. His conclusion: the science was hyped and exaggerated the impact of CO2 on climate. According to his analysis, we should expect only a few tenths of a degree of future cooling.

Increasingly, men of science are coming forward to go on the record as skeptical of climate change claims. In January, 16 noteworthy international scientists wrote a letter to the Wall Street Journal stating:

 “The lack of warming for more than a decade—indeed, the smaller-than-predicted warming over the 22 years since the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) began issuing projections—suggests that computer models have greatly exaggerated how much warming additional CO2 can cause. Faced with this embarrassment, those promoting alarm have shifted their drumbeat from warming to weather extremes, to enable anything unusual that happens in our chaotic climate to be ascribed to CO2.”

In April, fifty top astronauts, scientists and engineers at NASA signed a letter stating: “We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated, especially when considering thousands of years of empirical data. With hundreds of well-known climate scientists and tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief in the catastrophic forecasts, coming particularly from the GISS leadership, it is clear that the science is NOT settled.”

When is the American public going to wake up to the fact that it is about power, control and taking your property and liberty - not some climate change crisis?


12 posted on 06/26/2012 2:40:26 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: Jean S
Thus the problem we had with the Terry Shindler-Schiavo case. The appellate process is geared towards whether or not the judge made an error of law, not that his or her decision was sound. At least this wasn't SCOTUS making the determination - yet.

To paraphrase Obi Wan Kenobi - this was not the change you were hoping for.

13 posted on 06/26/2012 2:44:19 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Steyn: "One can argue about whose fault it is, but not ... whose responsibility it is: it's his")
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To: Jean S

This decision more or less follows from the Supreme Court’s idiotic 2007 5-4 decision in Massachusetts v. EPA that the EPA must regulate “Greenhouse Gas”. Sad. BTW, it was 3-judge panel, not the whole court. Sentelle is a Reagan appointee who I guess has gone mad. The other two are what you would expect: one was a career professor & “civil rights” lawyer; the other worked as a legal aide in the office of Washington D.C.’s mayor. Great, this is how major policy decisions are made in this country.


14 posted on 06/26/2012 2:47:17 PM PDT by Stingray51
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To: Jean S

This decision more or less follows from the Supreme Court’s idiotic 2007 5-4 decision in Massachusetts v. EPA that the EPA must regulate “Greenhouse Gas”. Sad. BTW, it was 3-judge panel, not the whole court. Sentelle is a Reagan appointee who I guess has gone mad. The other two are what you would expect: one was a career professor & “civil rights” lawyer; the other worked as a legal aide in the office of Washington D.C.’s mayor. Great, this is how major policy decisions are made in this country.


15 posted on 06/26/2012 2:47:17 PM PDT by Stingray51
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To: Nifster

“It is the DC circuit. My hope is that this will work its way up and that it will be overturned. Elsewise it is even more important that conservatives be elected to end this monstrosity brought to us by Nixon”

Not making it to the Supremes, because the law will be modified specifically to limit their powers by then.


16 posted on 06/26/2012 2:58:20 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Jean S

I’ve always been curious as to what in the background of a Judge on the bench, or Judges of a court qualifies them to determine scientific findings, and rule on such issues.

Seems to be who argues the best, perhaps more plausible argument, or whatever the Judge’s personal perspectives are rather than quality science that determines the judges edict.

IOW how can these “Judges” be all, and know all? Not possible, and how does one “rule” on a scientific finding with only those of like social, or political mentality performing positive peer review, and those of opposing social values, thus political perspective the negative review. A crap shoot? Go for the gut instinct?

Does this boil down to if in doubt...? WHAT?

How does a judge have confidence to rule on such issues as Science is the study of ‘?’


17 posted on 06/26/2012 3:33:54 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Jean S

So this means they are going to want to accelerate logging by the timber industry. A whole lot of CO2 emissions could be avoided by getting rid of all those darn trees.


18 posted on 06/26/2012 3:42:32 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Jean S

Forget Obamacare, forget Immigration. If the left forces our major energy producing companies completely out of America then the U.S. is done. This will end up being the biggest hoax ever pulled off on the world when it is finally history.


19 posted on 06/26/2012 4:22:06 PM PDT by 3rdcoastislander
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To: Jean S

Green house gas and incondescent, lightbulbs and 18 oz soda is bad but big g’mint, drugs, abortions, and perverted sex is good for you?


20 posted on 06/26/2012 4:30:12 PM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the StatistI)
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To: Leep

Green house gas, incondescent lightbulbs, and 18 oz soda are bad for you but big g’mint, drugs, abortions, and perverted sex is good for you?


21 posted on 06/26/2012 4:31:55 PM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the StatistI)
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To: The Antiyuppie

As it should. Some conservatives are starting to sound like liberals. When we don’t like the law we want the SCOTUS to save us. Elections have consequences. Bush had the majority and could have gutted the EPA but didn’t. So they are free to use the law that was passed to regulate emissions. The Clean Air and Clean Water acts were brought to us by Republicans.


22 posted on 06/26/2012 4:33:23 PM PDT by paul544
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To: paul544

>> “When we don’t like the law we want the SCOTUS to save us.” <<

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False issue.

The regulations are based in total falsehood. The courts are a proper place to take up such things,but they are acting as a rubber stamp for global tyranny.


23 posted on 06/26/2012 4:37:17 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: Bushbacker1
the EPA is an unconstitutional and illegal socialist tool of the out of control executive branch

The primary purpose of the EPA is absolute government control, not protection of the environment

the court has no authority to grant legislative authority to the EPA

Greenhouse gasses protect the Earth, plants thrive on it, it keeps the earths temperatures stable

the EPA has no evidence whatsoever that CO2 is harmful, or what levels may be harmful the evidence supports that CO2 is beneficial in all quantities

24 posted on 06/26/2012 4:45:44 PM PDT by KTM rider
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To: Jean S
This calls for a non-silent but not really violent demonstration. Tonight, I am having a massive bean dinner and sitting outside. Perhaps a styrofoam bonfire is in order as well.
25 posted on 06/26/2012 4:46:17 PM PDT by y2gordo
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To: paul544
BREAKING NEWS !

Bush and the Republicans are in NO WAY even slightly conservative, in actual deed, they are merely slightly less liberal/socialist than Clinton or Obama

26 posted on 06/26/2012 4:52:24 PM PDT by KTM rider
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To: Jean S

Jackson, a marxist protege of former EPA leader CArol Browner, another marxist, is full of shit.

There is no science that says that CO2 is a dangerous greenhouse gas. It is the twisting of science by the leftists and pseudoscientists (read, getting fat govt grants to promulgate their BS), that has created a “danger”.

Take away CO2 and you die because plants won’t be able to create oxygen, which we need.

This decision is a prime example of how our educational system has failed America, esp. over the past 50 years.

Time to fight back by joining conservative scientific groups who are fighting this voodo science.


27 posted on 06/26/2012 5:04:54 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: cripplecreek

My congressman..Good job Tim.


28 posted on 06/26/2012 5:30:33 PM PDT by Engedi
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To: Engedi

Yeah I like him too.

He needs a second term to get out from under that “freshman” cloud.


29 posted on 06/26/2012 5:54:48 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Jean S
the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Mordor-on-the-Potomac...
30 posted on 06/26/2012 5:55:50 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Proud2BeRight

Don’t forget the elderly and minorities.


31 posted on 06/26/2012 6:45:23 PM PDT by matt04
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To: Graewoulf

“The drumbeat of Obamanation rolls on: regulate -— control -— destroy...]

I for one would like to toss the whole lot of them in a carbon-free, greenhouse gas=free environment for the remainder of their time. Let them ponder the folly of their assertions and subsequent actions.

Their remaining time would be very short.


32 posted on 06/26/2012 7:16:42 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: The Antiyuppie

are we that doomed?


33 posted on 06/26/2012 7:43:48 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: ElkGroveDan

Actually, trees are a C02 trapping mechanism. They do emit C02 at night, but they absorb more duriing the day than they emit at night.


34 posted on 06/26/2012 7:56:25 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Jean S

To the fools that think we have a chance of getting our country back via the courts, not gonna happen. The courts will never roll back big government despotism.

The federal courts, including SCOTUS, don’t give a damn about the Constitution. And that is not going to change in our lifetimes.


35 posted on 06/26/2012 7:59:48 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Bshaw

1. CO2 is essential for all life because it is the main source of Carbon for ALL organic cells. All organic cells have CHON in them.

2. There is no know cause and effect between a change in temperature and CO2.

3. The most abundant “Green House Gas” is water vapor: 25,000 ppm vs < 400 ppm for CO2.

4. CO2 is an environmentally essential AND friendly green house gas.

End of Science.
______________

Algore Politics:

A. The Federal Politicians have used CO2 as a scare tactic to ram through their liberal agendas.

B. Your taxes will go up.

_________

Between you, me and the fencepost: (drink as much Carbonated Beverages, as often as you can).


36 posted on 06/26/2012 8:46:17 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Jean S

The liberals are choking the life out of us.

No one is going to stop them?

Does anyone care?

Anyone?

:(


37 posted on 06/26/2012 10:00:04 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: Graewoulf

I can’t believe how we are witnessing, so swiftly, the gutting and evisceration of the Constitution by the tyrants on the bench, in the White House, and within Congress. I can’t imagine what will be left of it in a matter of just a few more years now.


38 posted on 06/26/2012 10:07:19 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

Right you are!

If your stomach is strong read Ayn Rand’s book “Atlas Shrugged,” or the book “Left Behind.”

Movies include “Judgement at Nuremberg,” and “Red Dawn” with Patrick Swayze.

I just now pinged you on another thread, and while there read my comment # 18 ? +/-.


39 posted on 06/26/2012 10:44:09 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Bushbacker1
Exhaling is dangerous to the public and should be regulated!

We need to outlaw jogging and make it illegal to ride one of those skinny wheeled bicycles on public streets.

Healthy people are a danger to the planet's health.

40 posted on 06/26/2012 10:45:14 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Virgil Goode! Because everyone else is Bad!)
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To: Jean S

Was watching Greta last night and Dick Morris was on and they were talking about fast and furious. Well, towards the end of his interview he said: by the way, Hillary is in Brazil to set up an international “world” EPA, and is giving them 2 billion dollars. Greta says, what does this have to do with F&F? (clearly unscripted) he said it has nothing to do with it, Its just a really big deal and the American people should know.

I agree with Dick Morris, the American people need to know how Obama and his cohorts are selling the country to the UN.


41 posted on 06/26/2012 10:53:25 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Jean S

“the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia...”

The what? Court of Appeals for DC? It lacks jurisdiction for anything outside the 10 mile square District, does it not? FUBO...FUDC. FUEPA.


42 posted on 06/26/2012 11:05:43 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: rockinqsranch

To put it in military terms from 1965, (I don’t know the current jargon) it amounts to a combination of a Circle —— and a Cluster ——. It has absolutely nothing to do with science, a gathering of Shamans would be far more scientific. My very limited exposure to judges leads me to believe that most are incapable of remembering that they are not Gods.

Some of them remind me of his honor “Pigmeat”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvMBxlu62c0&feature=related


43 posted on 06/27/2012 4:05:55 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: Magic Fingers
That should be said repeatedly by every conservative running for office, and by Romney.

What are you talking about? Romney's a fan of big government, after all he signed Romneycare into law.

44 posted on 06/27/2012 11:43:46 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: paul544

Yeah democrats are innocent waifs who are for small government. They share no blame for the exploding government size, EPA, global warming lie etc.. Sure and hell has frozen over too.


45 posted on 06/27/2012 11:48:00 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: paul544

Yeah democrats are innocent waifs who are for small government. They share no blame for the exploding government size, EPA, global warming lie etc.. Sure and hell has frozen over too.

In reality democrats are all corrupt, socialist, statist,marxist , evil bastards.


46 posted on 06/27/2012 11:49:29 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: OneWingedShark

“What are you talking about? Romney’s a fan of big government, after all he signed Romneycare into law.”

I said he should, not that he would. What are you talking about?


47 posted on 06/27/2012 12:31:16 PM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: Magic Fingers

The misguided idea that a Pr. Romney would be at all good for the nation.
In fact, I’m not entirely convinced that the man wouldn’t do worse than Obama — oh he wouldn’t be quite so blatant about it — but didn’t even Bush give us the Patriot Act and start the bailouts? Simply put I do not trust the Republican-party not to solidify what ‘precedents’ have been made, with maybe a token ‘win’ here or there, and the selection of Romney only heightens my distrust.


48 posted on 06/27/2012 12:56:42 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Graewoulf

defacto ‘nationalization’ of the means of production through taxation and regulation. Facism (or corporatism). As a business owner you have two choices, submit or quit.


49 posted on 06/27/2012 1:03:47 PM PDT by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: OneWingedShark

“In fact, I’m not entirely convinced that the man wouldn’t do worse than Obama”

Romney was my last choice (other than Paul) but I am convinced there is no one on the political landscape in either party who could be as successfully, deliberately destructive as Obama.


50 posted on 06/27/2012 1:06:14 PM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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