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1 posted on 06/26/2012 2:13:45 PM PDT by Jean S
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If the EPA is that worried about emissions they need to shut up.


2 posted on 06/26/2012 2:19:44 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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The drumbeat of Obamanation rolls on: regulate -— control -— destroy -— Regulate -— control -— destroy -— REgulate -— control -— destroy -— REGulate -— control -— destroy -— REGU


3 posted on 06/26/2012 2:21:33 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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Handing a setback to industry and a victory to the Obama administration,

Setback to whom? The industry which will be forced to charge higher prices?

Bias, bias, bias. This is not a big bad industry vs. Mr. Smith. This is big bad government vs. Mr Smith.

4 posted on 06/26/2012 2:23:12 PM PDT by Raycpa
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All should write to their congressman and urge them to support the Defending America’s Affordable Energy & Jobs Act introduced and sponsored by Tim Walberg (MI 7th). He already has more than 100 co sponsors but more are always welcome.

It would take the decision making out of the hands of the EPA and back into the hands of congress and by extension, into the hands of we the people.


5 posted on 06/26/2012 2:27:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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Obama wins and the American people get the shaft. There is no question Obama hates the United States and the American people.


6 posted on 06/26/2012 2:27:29 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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...finding that carbon dioxide is a public danger...

Exhaling is dangerous to the public and should be regulated!

7 posted on 06/26/2012 2:29:41 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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Headline: Obama Wins Significantly Higher Energy Costs, Women and Children Hurt the Most


8 posted on 06/26/2012 2:30:30 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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It is the DC circuit. My hope is that this will work its way up and that it will be overturned. Elsewise it is even more important that conservatives be elected to end this monstrosity brought to us by Nixon


9 posted on 06/26/2012 2:37:54 PM PDT by Nifster
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“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis.”- David Rockefeller

It has been well established that the hoopla over the threat of climate change is all drama and little fact. The famous “hockey stick” graph created by Dr. Michael Mann asserting the 20th century was the warmest in 1,000 years was debunked by Canadian scientists McIntyre and McKitrick , who found serious errors in Mann’s analysis. (This is the famous graph used by Al Gore and the U.N. science panel to support their claim of man-caused global warming.)

In 2009, “Climategate” exposed the fact that climate scientists at the University of East Anglia and the U.S. had been manipulating and erasing data to arrive at predetermined outcomes supporting climate change. For instance, temperature measurements from stations in China failed to take into account their location and the influence of the warming effects of expanding cities.

In an attempt to make October 2009 the hottest on record, scientists at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) were caught using September figures for Russia. New Zealand’s NIWA, (National Institute of Water and Atmospheric research,) was caught manipulating raw data to show a significant rise in temperatures over the last century where none exists. This was followed by another discovery that a scientist (Briffa) had cherry-picked tree ring data in Russia to produce results indicating global warming.

A 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) claimed 80 per cent of Himalayan glacier area would be gone by 2035. However, 2012 research done by scientists at the University of Colorado based on observations from the Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE) satellite shows that the world’s greatest snow-capped peaks have lost no ice in the last decade and that polar ice is melting at a much lower rate than claimed.

In an actual field stdy by the Norwegian Polar Institute, a team found that past studies, which were based on computer models without any direct data for comparison or guidance, overestimated the water temperatures and extent of melting beneath the Fimbul Ice Shelf. This has led to the misconception, that the ice shelf is losing mass at a faster rate than it is gaining mass, leading to an overall loss of mass. Overall, according to the team, their field data shows “steady state mass balance” on the eastern Antarctic coasts – ie, that no ice is being lost from the massive shelves there. The research is published in the journalGeophysical Research Letters.

Studies have now shown that clouds over the poles, rather than trapping greenhouse gases, actually cool, rather than heat, the stratosphere. [Paper published in Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics June 2012] A comparison of the ARGO-ERA Global Ocean Heat Content Model projections for January 2003-2011 with actual measurements shows that the actual mean trend was negligible compared to model projections.

One of the fathers of Germany’s modern green movement, Professor Dr. Fritz Vahrenholt, found hundreds of errors in an IPCC report on renewable energy, but was ignored when he raised concerns. He proceeded to research the evidence and wrote a book based on 800 sources and using 80 charts critiquing the latest science. His conclusion: the science was hyped and exaggerated the impact of CO2 on climate. According to his analysis, we should expect only a few tenths of a degree of future cooling.

Increasingly, men of science are coming forward to go on the record as skeptical of climate change claims. In January, 16 noteworthy international scientists wrote a letter to the Wall Street Journal stating:

 “The lack of warming for more than a decade—indeed, the smaller-than-predicted warming over the 22 years since the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) began issuing projections—suggests that computer models have greatly exaggerated how much warming additional CO2 can cause. Faced with this embarrassment, those promoting alarm have shifted their drumbeat from warming to weather extremes, to enable anything unusual that happens in our chaotic climate to be ascribed to CO2.”

In April, fifty top astronauts, scientists and engineers at NASA signed a letter stating: “We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated, especially when considering thousands of years of empirical data. With hundreds of well-known climate scientists and tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief in the catastrophic forecasts, coming particularly from the GISS leadership, it is clear that the science is NOT settled.”

When is the American public going to wake up to the fact that it is about power, control and taking your property and liberty - not some climate change crisis?


12 posted on 06/26/2012 2:40:26 PM PDT by marsh2
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Thus the problem we had with the Terry Shindler-Schiavo case. The appellate process is geared towards whether or not the judge made an error of law, not that his or her decision was sound. At least this wasn't SCOTUS making the determination - yet.

To paraphrase Obi Wan Kenobi - this was not the change you were hoping for.

13 posted on 06/26/2012 2:44:19 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Steyn: "One can argue about whose fault it is, but not ... whose responsibility it is: it's his")
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This decision more or less follows from the Supreme Court’s idiotic 2007 5-4 decision in Massachusetts v. EPA that the EPA must regulate “Greenhouse Gas”. Sad. BTW, it was 3-judge panel, not the whole court. Sentelle is a Reagan appointee who I guess has gone mad. The other two are what you would expect: one was a career professor & “civil rights” lawyer; the other worked as a legal aide in the office of Washington D.C.’s mayor. Great, this is how major policy decisions are made in this country.


14 posted on 06/26/2012 2:47:17 PM PDT by Stingray51
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This decision more or less follows from the Supreme Court’s idiotic 2007 5-4 decision in Massachusetts v. EPA that the EPA must regulate “Greenhouse Gas”. Sad. BTW, it was 3-judge panel, not the whole court. Sentelle is a Reagan appointee who I guess has gone mad. The other two are what you would expect: one was a career professor & “civil rights” lawyer; the other worked as a legal aide in the office of Washington D.C.’s mayor. Great, this is how major policy decisions are made in this country.


15 posted on 06/26/2012 2:47:17 PM PDT by Stingray51
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I’ve always been curious as to what in the background of a Judge on the bench, or Judges of a court qualifies them to determine scientific findings, and rule on such issues.

Seems to be who argues the best, perhaps more plausible argument, or whatever the Judge’s personal perspectives are rather than quality science that determines the judges edict.

IOW how can these “Judges” be all, and know all? Not possible, and how does one “rule” on a scientific finding with only those of like social, or political mentality performing positive peer review, and those of opposing social values, thus political perspective the negative review. A crap shoot? Go for the gut instinct?

Does this boil down to if in doubt...? WHAT?

How does a judge have confidence to rule on such issues as Science is the study of ‘?’


17 posted on 06/26/2012 3:33:54 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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So this means they are going to want to accelerate logging by the timber industry. A whole lot of CO2 emissions could be avoided by getting rid of all those darn trees.


18 posted on 06/26/2012 3:42:32 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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Forget Obamacare, forget Immigration. If the left forces our major energy producing companies completely out of America then the U.S. is done. This will end up being the biggest hoax ever pulled off on the world when it is finally history.


19 posted on 06/26/2012 4:22:06 PM PDT by 3rdcoastislander
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Green house gas and incondescent, lightbulbs and 18 oz soda is bad but big g’mint, drugs, abortions, and perverted sex is good for you?


20 posted on 06/26/2012 4:30:12 PM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the StatistI)
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This calls for a non-silent but not really violent demonstration. Tonight, I am having a massive bean dinner and sitting outside. Perhaps a styrofoam bonfire is in order as well.
25 posted on 06/26/2012 4:46:17 PM PDT by y2gordo
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Jackson, a marxist protege of former EPA leader CArol Browner, another marxist, is full of shit.

There is no science that says that CO2 is a dangerous greenhouse gas. It is the twisting of science by the leftists and pseudoscientists (read, getting fat govt grants to promulgate their BS), that has created a “danger”.

Take away CO2 and you die because plants won’t be able to create oxygen, which we need.

This decision is a prime example of how our educational system has failed America, esp. over the past 50 years.

Time to fight back by joining conservative scientific groups who are fighting this voodo science.


27 posted on 06/26/2012 5:04:54 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Mordor-on-the-Potomac...
30 posted on 06/26/2012 5:55:50 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To the fools that think we have a chance of getting our country back via the courts, not gonna happen. The courts will never roll back big government despotism.

The federal courts, including SCOTUS, don’t give a damn about the Constitution. And that is not going to change in our lifetimes.


35 posted on 06/26/2012 7:59:48 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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