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The War Zone Cargo Copter That Lifts 6,000 Pounds Without a Pilot
gizmodo ^ | 6.26.2012 | Andrew Tarantola

Posted on 06/26/2012 2:57:12 PM PDT by q_an_a

But for work in a war zone, Lockheed modified the K-1200 to operate via remote control—because, with a couple of tons worth of cargo swaying beneath it, the K-1200 isn't particularly quick or nimble. By removing the pilot, and necessary interfaces and life support systems, the autonomous K-1200 can fly higher and with more and heavier loads than any other helicopter in service.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afgan; kmax; marines; warcopter
wow - first drones now heavy lift copters with no pilots. This is a 3 minute video of it in action in Colorado - maybe 20 or 30 could work on some fires too.
1 posted on 06/26/2012 2:57:17 PM PDT by q_an_a
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To: q_an_a

Weakest link are the signals. If they can be hijacked or jammed.


2 posted on 06/26/2012 2:59:00 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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3 posted on 06/26/2012 3:04:51 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

i’m sure you are correct - so far it has moved 1 million + tons with no losses.


4 posted on 06/26/2012 3:05:15 PM PDT by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: q_an_a

how would this work in combat?
Someone has to be close by to control the thing and what range could it have if it has to be remote controlled?


5 posted on 06/26/2012 3:10:39 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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We are moving cargo without putting any Marines, Soldiers or Airmen at risk. If we had a fleet of these things flying 24-7, we could move cargo around and not put people in jeopardy.” This is from the linked story - go to the story for more.


6 posted on 06/26/2012 3:39:16 PM PDT by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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...the autonomous K-1200 can fly higher and with more and heavier loads than any other helicopter in service.

Can it do this?


7 posted on 06/26/2012 3:48:12 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: q_an_a

Nice. I’ve seen some of these FIREMAX helitankers this week dropping water on our Waldo Canyon fires. But it looks like ours have a pilot. These are flying at 9 to 11 thousand feet locally. The good thing is they are built in Bloomfield CT. USA.


8 posted on 06/26/2012 3:48:21 PM PDT by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: DuncanWaring
Or this?


9 posted on 06/26/2012 3:49:48 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

They might be jammed but I bet they won’t be hijacked. I fly model rc helis and my $160 transmitter has 2.4 ghz digital spread spectrum technology. More expensive radios add frequency hopping to that.


10 posted on 06/26/2012 3:51:21 PM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: DuncanWaring
Piker...


11 posted on 06/26/2012 3:56:11 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: DuncanWaring

Those 47s fly over our place all the time. They shake they floor enough to knock things off of tables and shelves.


12 posted on 06/26/2012 4:00:10 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: bill1952

We fly drones in Iraq & Afghanistan & the Stans thru secure Satellites from a work station in Colorado.


13 posted on 06/26/2012 4:00:39 PM PDT by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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The plucky little K-MAX! Gotta love it. I worked on another Kaman helicopter when I was in the Navy...the SH-2 Seasprite.

The Army/Boeing isn't having such good luck with their drone...

14 posted on 06/26/2012 4:09:29 PM PDT by shorty_harris
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yep!

That’s the K-MAX, I worked on them to qualify them for flight in the early 90’s

back then, 4000 was it’s max


15 posted on 06/26/2012 4:35:46 PM PDT by RaceBannon (I wont vote for a gay marriage marxist gun grabber, or vote for Obama, either)
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By removing the pilot, and necessary interfaces and life support systems, the autonomous K-1200 can fly higher and with more and heavier loads than any other helicopter in service.

Pilot: (2)@ 230 pounds with helmet and survival vest and gear.
Instrument panel with instruments: < 100 pounds.
Seats: (2)@ ~ 70 pounds
"Life support systems"? On a helo?

16 posted on 06/26/2012 4:36:04 PM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party of NO! Nobama, No Way, No How!)
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17 posted on 06/26/2012 4:44:53 PM PDT by RaceBannon (I wont vote for a gay marriage marxist gun grabber, or vote for Obama, either)
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helicopters have been droned since the 1950’s

Kaman used to go to Alamagordo and yuma and White Sands to the missile ranges to drone helos to be shot down

the K-MAX drone program started about 10 years ago


18 posted on 06/26/2012 4:46:31 PM PDT by RaceBannon (I wont vote for a gay marriage marxist gun grabber, or vote for Obama, either)
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This program is not new, the K-MAX conversion is just one of many converted/dedicated drone helicopter programs.

And the K-MAX has nowhere the lift and altitude capabilities of other helicopters.

Geez, I wonder who at Kaman wrote this drivel.

19 posted on 06/26/2012 5:17:46 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: Joe 6-pack

Is there something hanging from the -47 in that picture?


20 posted on 06/26/2012 6:22:43 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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It looks like there’s some kind of chains draped from the landing gear, but it doesn’t look like they’re attached to anything.


21 posted on 06/26/2012 6:41:17 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: diogenes ghost

6000 lbs at sea level...Afghanistan’s average altitude is about 4000 ft.....this puppy is not going to haul anywhere near it’s sea level max.

You’re right, this is a fluff piece.


22 posted on 06/26/2012 7:01:10 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: shorty_harris

I love all the comments - the story was new to me and so, no matter if the copter is old or new - it’s good to see taht something is working for th troops.


23 posted on 06/26/2012 7:21:24 PM PDT by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Any jammer powerful enough to interfere with something like this would be stationary and lit up like the Fourth of July. It would be an easy target to destroy.


24 posted on 06/26/2012 9:44:15 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: DuncanWaring


25 posted on 06/27/2012 8:28:17 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: q_an_a

Unmanned K-Max makes first delivery for Marines in Afghanistan

23 Dec, 11

Unmanned systems have revolutionized combat aviation, providing a colossal advantage in the fight against terror with surveillance and close-air support.

Recently, a detachment of Marines from Marine Unmanned Aerial Vehicle Squadron 1 in Afghanistan added aerial resupply to the list of UAV capabilities.

The detachment completed its first unmanned aerial system cargo delivery in a combat zone using a helicopter in Afghanistan, Dec. 17.

“We delivered cargo today that was supposed to be delivered by convoy, now that convoy has three pallets that it does not have to carry, “explained Maj. Kyle O’Connor, the officer-in-charge of the squadron’s cargo resupply unmanned aerial system detachment.

The unmanned helicopter moved about 3,500 pounds of food and supplies to troops at Combat Outpost Payne. The helicopter, an unmanned variant of a K-MAX, completed the delivery in about an hour and a half.

“It is a milestone, certainly. We have delivered a lot of loads in the States during training, testing and evaluation,” said Steven Athanas, a representative from Lockheed Martin. “Now that we have integrated it into the battlespace, we have gone from what you think can happen — to what can happen.”

A human-piloted variant of the K-MAX helicopter was first developed in the 1990s. The manned version is used for heavy-lifting in corporate industry, including logging.

“This is a demonstration phase to test the true capabilities of this aircraft and how well it can perform its job in a combat environment,” said O’Connor. “With every flight in theater we are collecting data, and at the end of the day we are going to look at all of that data and decide whether or not to make it a program of record.”

“During this phase we will be making some adjustments to make it easier to use, but mostly I think the biggest adjustments will be seeing how many different ways we can use the unmanned aerial system,” said Athanas.

At the end of a six month assessment in Afghanistan, the Marine Corps will have the option to fully implement the platform.

Marines in Afghanistan Execute the World's First Cargo Resupply with an Unmanned Helicopter

26 posted on 06/27/2012 8:36:07 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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good update to my post. I think there is a whole generation of new products - using old ones and making them better that will change the battlefield.


27 posted on 06/27/2012 10:28:18 AM PDT by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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