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Hoyer: Some Dems Will Vote To Hold Holder In Contempt For Fast And Furious
CBS DC ^ | 06/26/2012 | Unknown

Posted on 06/26/2012 4:37:03 PM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000

WASHINGTON (AP) — Now that the politically potent National Rifle Association is keeping score, some Democrats may join House Republicans if there’s a vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress in a dispute over documents related to a botched gun-tracking operation.

The chief Democratic House head counter, Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland, declined to tell reporters how many defections he expected, but acknowledged that some in his party would consider heeding the NRA’s call for a “yes” vote.

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(Excerpt) Read more at washington.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: 2deadfeds; 300deadmexicans; atf; banglist; brianterry; dea; dhs; ericholder; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; jaimezapata; murdergate; obama; terry; zapata

1 posted on 06/26/2012 4:37:11 PM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

The only way Dems will vote for it is if it is going to pass anyway and they are just providing political cover


2 posted on 06/26/2012 4:41:26 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

I thought bipartisanship was “good”?


3 posted on 06/26/2012 4:41:50 PM PDT by mikrofon (Oops, wrong way...)
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To: RummyChick

Boehner has the votes or he wouldn’t bring it to the floor.

Lotta Dems trying to distance themselves from Dumb0 now that they can see November from their houses...


4 posted on 06/26/2012 4:44:14 PM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: RummyChick

It’s going to pass ANYWAY so political cover is the order of the day!


5 posted on 06/26/2012 4:44:54 PM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya.".. he's lying now or then?)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000
if there’s a vote

What's with the if?

OK, it does come from CBS, but still.............

6 posted on 06/26/2012 4:45:25 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

Thursday shaping up to be an epic day. The King will need to stock up on the nicorette.


7 posted on 06/26/2012 4:46:39 PM PDT by Dysart (Race card is tryranny)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

This is awesome news. I’m sure that some of the delay on this was to make sure that they would have some Dem votes for the contempt charge.


8 posted on 06/26/2012 4:49:08 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

You can bet Steny will vote whichever way Nancy Pelosi tells him to.

But Steny has a chance of being whipped this year too. Last year Lollar gave him a rune for his money and made a fool of him at every debate they had. Only the Blacks in PG and Upper Charles County saved him.

This year he faces O’Donnell and O’Donnell has a following.
Lollar is saving himself for the Governorship I believe.


9 posted on 06/26/2012 4:50:58 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Dysart

Contempt AND stike down of obamacare would cause much whiskey ingestion.......and spiking the football.


10 posted on 06/26/2012 4:51:02 PM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: RummyChick
The only way Dems will vote for it is if it is going to pass anyway and they are just providing political cover

Isn't it a simple majority vote? That should make it close to a sure thing. Unless there are a number of Republicans yearning to be tarred and feathered.

11 posted on 06/26/2012 4:51:44 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Servant of the Cross

Dana Perino said 31 dems would vote contempt.


12 posted on 06/26/2012 4:52:20 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (Ia)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

How about the GOA (Gun Owners of America) which was formed in 1975. Many NRA Members, who have gotten fed up with the NRA, for various reasons, have joined the GOA. They need to make their presence known on this matter as well.


13 posted on 06/26/2012 4:59:46 PM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000
Anyone else catch this little gem: The gun owners association injected itself last week into the stalemate...

Injected? CBS just couldn't let a story about the NRA go by without some kind of cheap shot.

14 posted on 06/26/2012 5:03:47 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: pistolpackinpapa
^^^

This right here.

15 posted on 06/26/2012 5:04:38 PM PDT by OKSooner (Never take a "known safety risk" shooting with you even if he is an ordained minister.)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000; All

Numerous Congressmen and Senators (like Joe Manchin of WV) have stated they are NOT attending the Dem Convention in NC in September. Also, the Gov. of WV is declining to go and be associated with Obama. The latest to announce as a will be “no show” is U.S. Senator Clair McCaskill of Missouri and the State’s Gov. Jay Dixon; who is also up for reelection this year and wants to disassociate himself from Obama. Rats deserting a sinking ship comes to mind.

And, to think: Claire McCaskill was “in love” with Obama his first two years in office. I told everybody, she was his “girlfriend”. She looked at him with adoring eyes and defended his every bone-head move. What a difference one little reelection campaign makes. But, Claire is going to get her butt handed to her on Election Day.


16 posted on 06/26/2012 5:06:31 PM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: All

17 posted on 06/26/2012 5:15:14 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: Dysart
"Thursday shaping up to be an epic day. The King will need to stock up on the nicorette."

Yeah buddy, and it's my work from home day, Señor Limbaugh will be blaring out of my speakers!!!

18 posted on 06/26/2012 5:15:20 PM PDT by erod (This Chicagoan will crawl over broken glass to vote the fake Chicagoan Obama out!)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000
The chief Democratic House head counter, Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland, declined to tell reporters how many defections he expected,

Ahhhh....Good old SeeBS. Its not about truth or doing THE RIGHT THING.

Its about keeping allegiance with THEIR party.

19 posted on 06/26/2012 5:19:32 PM PDT by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000
While I have had a 50 year love-hate relationship with the NRA, I do like how they get the attention of politicians of both parties on important issues.
20 posted on 06/26/2012 6:02:04 PM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000
"a botched gun-tracking operation."

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It wasn't "botched". It was planned to work exactly that way -- to provide anti-2nd Amendment "anecdotal evidence"...

"botched" = LIE -- every time you read it!!

Da*ned, lying MSM!!!

21 posted on 06/26/2012 6:23:03 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: HerrBlucher

“Contempt AND stike down of obamacare would cause much whiskey ingestion.......and spiking the football.”

Indeed! Although I’d stick with the Bud Light!

As for spiking the ball, I’ll like Cuba Gooding snapping to in Jerry Maguire the whole day!


22 posted on 06/26/2012 7:05:19 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000
Gun-walking long has been barred by Justice Department policy, but federal agents in Arizona experimented with it in at least two investigations during the George W. Bush administration before Fast and Furious.

That statement is a bald-faced lie!

The Department of Justice ’ s Operation Fast and Furious: Accounts of ATF Agents

Agent Casa recounted a similar situation. He had also never heard of, nor seen, guns being allowed to walk until he got to Phoenix:

. . . . But from the time I started as an ATF special agent . . . up until the time I got to Phoenix, that was my understanding, that we do not let guns walk, absolutely, positively not. And if we –if ever a case [where]we would do that, there better be a really good explanation why we did not grab that gun when we could.

Q. But that changed when you came to Phoenix, I mean the practice at least changed, correct?

A. Yes.

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As Agent Dodson testified:

Q. Based on our training and experience, what did you think about [walking guns]?

A. It was something I had never done before, sir. And quite frankly, I took great issue with it and concern.I felt like I understand the importance of going after the bigger target, but there is a way to do that. We did it successfully in the dope world all the time. And those skills and practices that we used there, a lot of them transfer over, and more than applicable in gun trafficking investigations, but we weren’t allowed to use any of them.

Q. And did you ever have a recollection of sharing your frustration with Special Agent Casa?

A. Oh, yes, sir.

Q. And any other special agents that you can –

A. Yes, sir.

Q. And maybe you could just tell us what other agents you –

A. Pretty much everyone, sir. It was, I shared my reservations and concerns with Special Agent [L], with Dave Voth, with Special Agent [D]Special Agent [H], Special Agent Alt, Special Agent [P], several of the special agents that came on the GRIT, G-R-I-T. The gunrunner initiative is what it stands for. I shared them with or I voiced my concerns to other agents inside the Phoenix field division that was on other groups.

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Despite this e-mail, agents continued to experience dismay and frustration as Operation Fast and Furious continued along its perilous path. As Agent Casa testified:

Q. And is it fair to say that. . .the folks on your side of the schism wanted to do everything they could to interdict these weapons so they wouldn’t get any farther down the street than they have to?

A. Yes, sir. We were all sick to death when we realized that –when we realized what was going on or when we saw what was going on by the trends. We were all just, yes, we were all distraught.

The rift widened when the Assistant Special Agent in Charge (ASAC) authoritatively and unambiguously told Group VII that guns were not being walked, that the special agents were incorrect in their terminology, and that there would be no more discussion or dissension about this topic. Agent Dodson testified:

A. Then we get an e-mail that . . . there is going to be a meeting. [the ASAC] is coming down, [the ASAC] comes into the Group 7 office and tells us essentially we better stand down with our complaints, that we didn’t know what the definition of walking guns was, we weren’t familiar with the Phoenix way of doing things, that all of this was sanctioned and we just needed to essentially shut up and get in line. That’s not a quote, but that’s the feel of the meeting, so . . .

All four agents define "walking" guns as deliberately letting them go not losing control due to circumstances. All four say they never let guns "walk" before F&F. No guns ever "walked" under Wide Receiver. None!

23 posted on 06/26/2012 10:24:38 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; ...

Stimpy Hoyer calls the alarm.

Maryland “Freak State” PING!


24 posted on 06/27/2012 8:37:46 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; ...

FNC started reporting this yesterday or Sunday, This will sting (Dems), “The Bipartison vote indicting Holder”, OUCH HA-HA.

This is why the Newsweek article was rushed out to try to give Dems cover.


25 posted on 06/27/2012 8:51:09 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: sickoflibs

Standing by..


26 posted on 06/28/2012 9:21:40 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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