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Issa's Right: Tougher Gun Laws Fast And Furious Goal
investors.com ^ | 26 June, 2012 | NA

Posted on 06/26/2012 5:23:33 PM PDT by marktwain

Scandal: The head of the House oversight panel suggests the real reason for the administration's invoking executive privilege in the Fast and Furious case is to hide proof that the operation was part of a push for gun control.

Defenders of President Obama's use of executive privilege to provide cover for Attorney General Eric Holder in the gun-running fiasco that resulted in the deaths of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and ICE Agent Jaime Zapata may dismiss it as just another conspiracy theory. But the suggestion by Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., that the deadly operation was conceived to advance the administration's gun-control agenda is quite plausible.

"Here's the real answer as to gun control," Issa said on ABC's "This Week": "We have email from people involved in this that are talking about using what they're finding here to support the — basically assault weapons — ban or greater reporting."

Issa was asked about the possible connection after comments he made at an NRA convention. "Could it be," he said on NRA News' "Cam & Company" program, "that what they really were thinking of was in fact to use this walking of guns in order to promote an assault weapons ban? Many think so. And they haven't come up with an explanation that would cause any of us not to agree."

Perhaps the answer is in the documents that Holder and Obama are risking much to hide. As we observed recently, the way Fast and Furious, the government's gun-running operation, was executed made no sense unless its intended purpose was to facilitate violence with U.S. weapons in the interests of pursuing the administration's gun-control agenda.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
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Considering that the purpose of the gunwalking was to have the weapons turn up at Mexican crime scenes, it is hard to see another logical purpose.
1 posted on 06/26/2012 5:23:44 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
the executive branch was knowingly using data corrupted by the fast and furious operation to justify a need for more gun control months before the scandal broke wide open and their plan unraveled. There was a conspiracy at the highest level. By hiding behind executive privilege, Obama has shown his hand. he's trying to hide the fact that that he knew about fast and furious. The flak gets heaviest when you're right over the target. We're right over the target. guaranteed.
2 posted on 06/26/2012 5:31:39 PM PDT by RC one (this space intentionally left blank)
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To: marktwain

Is it true that even if there was evidence that Obama and Holder did this to manipulate public opinion on guns laws that they would still not face any criminal charges despite the hundreds of deaths in Mexico and 2 border agents in the United States?

If so, why bother?


3 posted on 06/26/2012 5:33:28 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: tsowellfan
“...why bother”

Because it would send the NRA over the edge and give them a bully-pulpit from which to preach that Dear Leader and the Democratic Party would never live down.

It would also expose to many middle class and uncommitted voters the degree to which the Administration is willing to influence public opinion behind the scenes.

It would not go well for Dear Leader or the Dem's in the Nov elections.

4 posted on 06/26/2012 5:41:43 PM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: marktwain; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; ...

My grandmother used to say, “Give them an inch and they’ll take a mile.”

Lots’o’miles on holder.


5 posted on 06/26/2012 5:45:25 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: marktwain
Hillary Clinton using bogus gunwalker data as evidence to justify the need for gun control in America before the administration's plans were undone by random events. FFW to 38 second mark.
6 posted on 06/26/2012 5:46:55 PM PDT by RC one (this space intentionally left blank)
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To: Robert357

So basically Chris Matthews (according to what you’re saying) is right and this is political and not really to seek justice for the deaths of the border agents and hundreds of Mexicans including women and children? Do the family members appearing at the committees know this?


7 posted on 06/26/2012 5:49:15 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: marktwain; stephenjohnbanker; TigersEye; Fred Nerks

Considering that the purpose of the gunwalking was to have the weapons turn up at Mexican crime scenes, it is hard to see another logical purpose.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

IMHO there was another purpose: The arming of reconquista guerillas in Texas, New Mexico , and Arizona. Few understand the scope of Obama’s usurpation, or why it would be done. Obama is a fascist*. Few understand that. We have the worst possible enemy of the People sitting in the White House.

Holder and Obama have perpetrated acts of war on Mexico , which have resulted in the genocide deaths of 300+ Mexican citizens, and two US BATF agents, and maybe more.As such they both are war criminals who deserve arrest, trial and execution.

Thats the ugly truth in total.

*
See:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html


8 posted on 06/26/2012 5:54:09 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: marktwain

Even if the Kenyan pardons Holder he may still face charges if Mexico moves to extradite him for the crime of moving guns to drug cartels. It would be wonderful of the attorney general of the US under the Kenyan lived out hs days in a squalid violent Mexican prison.


9 posted on 06/26/2012 5:56:13 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: muir_redwoods
Video: Mexican officials want Fast & Furious officials extradited for trial
10 posted on 06/26/2012 6:01:55 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: Candor7

Thanks for the link!


11 posted on 06/26/2012 6:04:24 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: marktwain
Straightforward Treason.

Why aren't folks asking H0lder to go get the rest of the guns he sent over?

12 posted on 06/26/2012 6:12:13 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: marktwain

And it couldn’t happen without Holder, Hillary, and the Obama knowing and approving.


13 posted on 06/26/2012 6:12:16 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: muir_redwoods

How do we know the Mexican govt isn’t complicit in this?


14 posted on 06/26/2012 6:15:57 PM PDT by virgil
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To: virgil
"How do we know the Mexican govt isn’t complicit in this? "

I'm sure that Mexico has even more outlaws in their gov't than we do in ours.

15 posted on 06/26/2012 6:22:38 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: marktwain

It has also been posited that Obama wanted to cause Mexico to slide into civil war. Then any Mexicans who came across the border would automatically be a refugee and could immediately go on the government dole and be relocated.


16 posted on 06/26/2012 6:26:48 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: virgil

We don’t and cannot know if the Kenyan continues to stonewall on the documents. If the Kenyan won’t release the documents we can only assume Mexico is a victim and not a co-conspirator


17 posted on 06/26/2012 6:32:22 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: muir_redwoods
if Mexico was a victim, as opposed to a conspirator, I would expect a bit more outcry. As it is, Fox has made no more than few token comments. He doesn't sound like a victim, he sounds like a man playing from the same sheet of music as the administration and I strongly suspect that the documents that are not being released by reason of executive privilege would reveal this to be the case.
18 posted on 06/26/2012 6:40:02 PM PDT by RC one (this space intentionally left blank)
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To: marktwain

It may not have been domestic gun control. The target could have been the UN international Small Arms Treaty.


19 posted on 06/26/2012 6:47:53 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: marktwain

Something else to consider is money. Maybe all the guns went to the SAME CARTEL with the goal of enabling that cartel’s business and power, in return for traceless cash and dope, plus the chance for increased controls of the deadly black guns.


20 posted on 06/26/2012 6:51:46 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: RC one

Vincente Fox left office in December of 2006


21 posted on 06/26/2012 6:52:33 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: muir_redwoods

my bad, I meant Calderone.


22 posted on 06/26/2012 7:00:13 PM PDT by RC one (this space intentionally left blank)
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To: DBrow
Something else to consider is money. Maybe all the guns went to the SAME CARTEL with the goal of enabling that cartel’s business and power, in return for traceless cash and dope...

All of the Arizona guns did go to one cartel -- the Sinaloa cartel.

Consequently, your conjecture is something that needs to be taken seriously.

23 posted on 06/26/2012 7:10:54 PM PDT by okie01
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To: marktwain

I think one of the things being hidden is either Obama or Holder making a statement that no gun control would be possible unless a few Americans die, because the public wouldn’t get angry until then. I think they welcomed these border murders.


24 posted on 06/26/2012 7:31:15 PM PDT by Grammy
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To: marktwain

Makes one wonder how many other Obama-orchestrated secret operations are underway in order to change policy through public outrage? With lefties the ends always justifies the means regardless of how many laws are broken or how many people die in the process.


25 posted on 06/27/2012 6:01:29 AM PDT by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: marktwain

Help me out here. About 2 years ago the marxists were crying about all the guns illegally coming from the US to Mexico. (A big lie, of course) The media had a cute term for it ‘River of Steel’ or something similar. I’ve been searching the web for stories about the topic but can find nothing.

Does anyone remember the media term? Seems that info and statements by pols at the time may have been scrubbed.


26 posted on 06/27/2012 6:38:26 AM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: Rockitz; All
Makes one wonder how many other Obama-orchestrated secret operations are underway in order to change policy through public outrage? With lefties the ends always justifies the means regardless of how many laws are broken or how many people die in the process.

It is not just Obama. I suspect that there have been dozens of operations over Democratic administrations since Wilson, that have been covered up with the assistance of the MSM.

27 posted on 06/27/2012 7:04:28 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Grammy
I think they welcomed these border murders.

I think they more than welcomed these murders, I think they orchestrated the murder of Border Patrol agents. Brian Terry just happened to be the one who was in the wrong place at the right time.

God help us if I am right. ...

28 posted on 06/27/2012 7:06:45 AM PDT by snowtigger (.)
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To: RC one

schumer and feinstein were in on it also with their bogus report on the number of guns traced to Mexico...its an all demrat team effort...


29 posted on 06/27/2012 7:11:54 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: marktwain
Methinks I'll add the keywords, "Operation Castaway," to let Hillary know that we know she is up to her cankles in this whole mess.

5.56mm

30 posted on 06/27/2012 7:36:56 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Blood of Tyrants
It has also been posited that Obama wanted to cause Mexico to slide into civil war. Then any Mexicans who came across the border would automatically be a refugee and could immediately go on the government dole and be relocated.

While I had considered this possibility from the perspective of increasing the flood of illegals, I had not included this idea of "refugee status" with which to legalize it.

This means the pubbies could build a fence and they'd still come flooding in under that "legal" cover. Thanks, I hadn't thought of that.

31 posted on 06/27/2012 7:39:56 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: muir_redwoods

I’m pretty sure that any existing documents were shredded months ago.


32 posted on 06/27/2012 7:43:14 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: okie01

Sort of like how we’ll fund and supply “freedom fighters” in Nicaragua or Ivory Coast, except that this is a criminal gang.


33 posted on 06/27/2012 8:17:43 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Carry_Okie

They wouldn’t even have to sneak in. They would walk right up to the border crossing and walk across.


34 posted on 06/27/2012 8:49:04 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
They would walk right up to the border crossing and walk across.

With a horde of affirmative action Dream Act lawyers to guide their way into taking full advantage of the welfare state.

35 posted on 06/27/2012 9:37:59 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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