Skip to comments.Issa's Right: Tougher Gun Laws Fast And Furious Goal
Posted on 06/26/2012 5:23:33 PM PDT by marktwain
Scandal: The head of the House oversight panel suggests the real reason for the administration's invoking executive privilege in the Fast and Furious case is to hide proof that the operation was part of a push for gun control.
Defenders of President Obama's use of executive privilege to provide cover for Attorney General Eric Holder in the gun-running fiasco that resulted in the deaths of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and ICE Agent Jaime Zapata may dismiss it as just another conspiracy theory. But the suggestion by Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., that the deadly operation was conceived to advance the administration's gun-control agenda is quite plausible.
"Here's the real answer as to gun control," Issa said on ABC's "This Week": "We have email from people involved in this that are talking about using what they're finding here to support the basically assault weapons ban or greater reporting."
Issa was asked about the possible connection after comments he made at an NRA convention. "Could it be," he said on NRA News' "Cam & Company" program, "that what they really were thinking of was in fact to use this walking of guns in order to promote an assault weapons ban? Many think so. And they haven't come up with an explanation that would cause any of us not to agree."
Perhaps the answer is in the documents that Holder and Obama are risking much to hide. As we observed recently, the way Fast and Furious, the government's gun-running operation, was executed made no sense unless its intended purpose was to facilitate violence with U.S. weapons in the interests of pursuing the administration's gun-control agenda.
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Is it true that even if there was evidence that Obama and Holder did this to manipulate public opinion on guns laws that they would still not face any criminal charges despite the hundreds of deaths in Mexico and 2 border agents in the United States?
If so, why bother?
Because it would send the NRA over the edge and give them a bully-pulpit from which to preach that Dear Leader and the Democratic Party would never live down.
It would also expose to many middle class and uncommitted voters the degree to which the Administration is willing to influence public opinion behind the scenes.
It would not go well for Dear Leader or the Dem's in the Nov elections.
My grandmother used to say, “Give them an inch and they’ll take a mile.”
Lots’o’miles on holder.
So basically Chris Matthews (according to what you’re saying) is right and this is political and not really to seek justice for the deaths of the border agents and hundreds of Mexicans including women and children? Do the family members appearing at the committees know this?
Considering that the purpose of the gunwalking was to have the weapons turn up at Mexican crime scenes, it is hard to see another logical purpose.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
IMHO there was another purpose: The arming of reconquista guerillas in Texas, New Mexico , and Arizona. Few understand the scope of Obama’s usurpation, or why it would be done. Obama is a fascist*. Few understand that. We have the worst possible enemy of the People sitting in the White House.
Holder and Obama have perpetrated acts of war on Mexico , which have resulted in the genocide deaths of 300+ Mexican citizens, and two US BATF agents, and maybe more.As such they both are war criminals who deserve arrest, trial and execution.
Thats the ugly truth in total.
Even if the Kenyan pardons Holder he may still face charges if Mexico moves to extradite him for the crime of moving guns to drug cartels. It would be wonderful of the attorney general of the US under the Kenyan lived out hs days in a squalid violent Mexican prison.
Thanks for the link!
Why aren't folks asking H0lder to go get the rest of the guns he sent over?
And it couldn’t happen without Holder, Hillary, and the Obama knowing and approving.
How do we know the Mexican govt isn’t complicit in this?
I'm sure that Mexico has even more outlaws in their gov't than we do in ours.
It has also been posited that Obama wanted to cause Mexico to slide into civil war. Then any Mexicans who came across the border would automatically be a refugee and could immediately go on the government dole and be relocated.
We don’t and cannot know if the Kenyan continues to stonewall on the documents. If the Kenyan won’t release the documents we can only assume Mexico is a victim and not a co-conspirator
It may not have been domestic gun control. The target could have been the UN international Small Arms Treaty.
Something else to consider is money. Maybe all the guns went to the SAME CARTEL with the goal of enabling that cartel’s business and power, in return for traceless cash and dope, plus the chance for increased controls of the deadly black guns.
Vincente Fox left office in December of 2006
my bad, I meant Calderone.
All of the Arizona guns did go to one cartel -- the Sinaloa cartel.
Consequently, your conjecture is something that needs to be taken seriously.
I think one of the things being hidden is either Obama or Holder making a statement that no gun control would be possible unless a few Americans die, because the public wouldn’t get angry until then. I think they welcomed these border murders.
Makes one wonder how many other Obama-orchestrated secret operations are underway in order to change policy through public outrage? With lefties the ends always justifies the means regardless of how many laws are broken or how many people die in the process.
Help me out here. About 2 years ago the marxists were crying about all the guns illegally coming from the US to Mexico. (A big lie, of course) The media had a cute term for it ‘River of Steel’ or something similar. I’ve been searching the web for stories about the topic but can find nothing.
Does anyone remember the media term? Seems that info and statements by pols at the time may have been scrubbed.
It is not just Obama. I suspect that there have been dozens of operations over Democratic administrations since Wilson, that have been covered up with the assistance of the MSM.
I think they more than welcomed these murders, I think they orchestrated the murder of Border Patrol agents. Brian Terry just happened to be the one who was in the wrong place at the right time.
God help us if I am right. ...
schumer and feinstein were in on it also with their bogus report on the number of guns traced to Mexico...its an all demrat team effort...
While I had considered this possibility from the perspective of increasing the flood of illegals, I had not included this idea of "refugee status" with which to legalize it.
This means the pubbies could build a fence and they'd still come flooding in under that "legal" cover. Thanks, I hadn't thought of that.
I’m pretty sure that any existing documents were shredded months ago.
Sort of like how we’ll fund and supply “freedom fighters” in Nicaragua or Ivory Coast, except that this is a criminal gang.
They wouldn’t even have to sneak in. They would walk right up to the border crossing and walk across.
With a horde of affirmative action Dream Act lawyers to guide their way into taking full advantage of the welfare state.
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