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EDITORIAL: Obama to shoot down armed pilots
The Washington Times ^ | June 26, 2012 | Editorial

Posted on 06/26/2012 6:02:29 PM PDT by jazusamo

Removing ‘last line of defense’ would be risky move

The Obama administration’s hatred for the Second Amendment has reached new heights. After nearly a decade of safe operation, the White House is looking to reduce the number of pilots who provide an extra layer of security against airborne terror by packing a pistol in the cockpit. This plan shouldn’t fly.

The federal flight-deck officer program was put in place as a direct response to the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, when terrorists barged into the cockpits and seized control of airliners. The initiative provides $25.5 million for weapons training for pilots, including for cargo carriers and private charters. President Obama’s budget would slash the amount in half.

Uncle Sam spends about $4,800 per pilot for the training administered by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), but aside from that, it doesn’t suffer from the usual bureaucratic bloat. Participants must pay their own travel, lodging and meal expenses. About 10,000 pilots have been certified, but the Obama administration’s goal is to see the number of armed aviators dwindle.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano defended her department’s 2013 proposed budget before the House Committee on Homeland Security in February. “The cuts are predicated on the fact that the program is not risk-based,” she claimed. That’s government-speak for wanting more money to grope people who aren’t terrorists instead of doing something that would stop actual terrorists.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; dhs; napolitano; obama; tsa

1 posted on 06/26/2012 6:02:44 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

“$4,800 per pilot”???? That SHOULD be cut!


2 posted on 06/26/2012 6:06:33 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Let's name a law after a kid who died because of CAFE standards!)
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To: jazusamo

I wonder if Air Farce One has armed pilots?


3 posted on 06/26/2012 6:07:53 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: jazusamo
Obama is the best pilot in the galaxy!

But ... they said the same thing about Anakin Skywalker, and look how that turned out.

4 posted on 06/26/2012 6:09:14 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: jazusamo
How many more days until we can vote this anti-American HATER out of office????
It can't come soon enough.
5 posted on 06/26/2012 6:10:18 PM PDT by Jerrybob (Truth -- the new hate speech.)
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To: jazusamo

This should be no surprise: this after all is what “Operation Fast and Furious” was all about in the first place: an attack on our basic freedoms.


6 posted on 06/26/2012 6:12:37 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Forgotten Amendments

That seems high to me when people can get CC training from NRA instructors for a fraction of that. At the same time that’s less than what two TSA screeners make per month and they haven’t caught a terrorist as yet.


7 posted on 06/26/2012 6:13:01 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

The government creates the $4,800 TSA requirement then bitches about it, and so do you.


8 posted on 06/26/2012 6:13:25 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: jazusamo

Every jet operating in US airspace should have a shotgun rack mounted by the pilot and co-pilots seat, with quick access to multiple weapons, loaded with the appropriate rounds for use inside of an airplane, and with orders to use them as deemed necassary. Thousands of cop cars in the US have this setup, and we can’t have this in a commercial jet? It would definitely improve my peace of mind while flying, knowing that the flight crew is armed for bear.


9 posted on 06/26/2012 6:14:13 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Jerrybob

BTTT!


10 posted on 06/26/2012 6:14:56 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Jerrybob

It will take an entire term just to figure out all of the Executive Orders he’s written and another one or two years to reverse them all.


11 posted on 06/26/2012 6:16:52 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: tsowellfan

One term is all he gets.

Then it’s over to Palin...


12 posted on 06/26/2012 6:19:17 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: factoryrat
I agree. Tens of thousands of police vehicles have them and many of those vehicles have young new officers in them.

Commercial airline pilots are not young inexperienced people.

13 posted on 06/26/2012 6:20:17 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: tsowellfan

Couldn’t the next pres just pass one executive order nullifying all Obama’s executive orders ... LOL! Just ax’n. ;-)


14 posted on 06/26/2012 6:22:09 PM PDT by doc1019 (Voting for the better of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: jazusamo

Bath-House Barry is HOPING for a violent incident to scare the beejeezus out of the public before the election.

OR...he’ll just have Manchelle impregnated by a turkey baster in plenty of time for all the liberal “ooohs and aaahs”.


15 posted on 06/26/2012 6:22:19 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Forgotten Amendments
“$4,800 per pilot”???? That SHOULD be cut!

My reaction as well. It shouldn't cost that much.

16 posted on 06/26/2012 6:22:19 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Forgotten Amendments

“$4,800 per pilot”???? That SHOULD be cut!

honestly, not even considering the FAA red tape, 4,800 for any government program is the cheapest deal I’ve ever seen.
At least its money well spent on something that really helps us, rather than billions going into the TSA.
In fact, if all pilots were armed asa matter of policy, we could disband the TSA and save a ton of money


17 posted on 06/26/2012 6:23:20 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Palin would be a breath of fresh air that’s for sure.


18 posted on 06/26/2012 6:24:44 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: jazusamo

I think I know one pilot who is part of this program, but I’ve never asked because they can’t acknowledge their participation.


19 posted on 06/26/2012 6:25:57 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Mortrey

hopefully it’s tied to a 2x4


20 posted on 06/26/2012 6:27:40 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: jazusamo

Arm the passengers. I would fly again after a 20-year hiatus if that happened.


21 posted on 06/26/2012 6:28:01 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: plain talk

This is classic. Instead of just allowing the pilots to have a gun, they create a giant boondoggle. Then, we can’t afford it.

Just let the pilots drink while flying. Then, it will be unsafe to have guns and we can save the $4,800!


22 posted on 06/26/2012 6:29:50 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Let's name a law after a kid who died because of CAFE standards!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Palin would be a definite improvement over this man but Michael Savage would have a cow.


23 posted on 06/26/2012 6:31:13 PM PDT by Jean2
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To: jazusamo

Obama is The Green Lantern. He is a Super Fag Super Hero.


24 posted on 06/26/2012 6:32:08 PM PDT by coon2000 (Give me Liberty or give me death!)
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To: SeaHawkFan
It'd be interesting to talk to a friend that was part of the program if they could talk about it freely.

I guess like anything that's classified it's better left unsaid. My son has a top secret clearance and we don't discuss things that are classified. :)

25 posted on 06/26/2012 6:32:08 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Candor7
There should be some reciprocity here. If flight personnel must be disarmed on civilian commercial aircraft then flight personnel must be disarmed on government owned passenger aircraft such as AF1.

I don't want a situation coming up where the President feels more comfortable than i do.

26 posted on 06/26/2012 6:35:50 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: elkfersupper
Can't see a thing wrong with that as long as they have CCW’s, and they should be reciprocal throughout the states.
27 posted on 06/26/2012 6:35:55 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

Right. The feds get involved so the pilots have to have GOVERNMENT training and we all know how much GOVERNMENT costs. Probably have staff positions created to oversee the training and then staff to oversee the staff overseeing the training and then additional staff to count and allocate bullets, etc


28 posted on 06/26/2012 6:39:51 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: jazusamo

Bump


29 posted on 06/26/2012 6:48:32 PM PDT by Aevery_Freeman ("Hope and Change" is PolitiSpeak for "New and Improved")
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To: Candor7

With all the SS agents aboard I wouldn’t think it would be necessary.


30 posted on 06/26/2012 6:52:33 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: factoryrat

“knowing that the flight crew is armed for bear.”

Or Moose;)


31 posted on 06/26/2012 7:04:54 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: ClearCase_guy; All
"Obama is the best pilot in the galaxy!


32 posted on 06/26/2012 7:08:09 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: jazusamo
Can't see a thing wrong with that as long as they have CCW’s

I don't have one of those and don't intend to get one. Free men don't ask for permission.

33 posted on 06/26/2012 7:14:35 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Frank_2001
Or Moose;)

Showing my age and tenure here. Did a moose once bite your sister?

34 posted on 06/26/2012 7:17:44 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: elkfersupper
Showing my age and tenure here. Did a moose once bite your sister?

You know the moose was really after cheese and a shower. Seriesly.

35 posted on 06/26/2012 7:20:19 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$ or PETA.)
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To: elkfersupper

Ha! Remember the ‘All in the Family’ gun control episode where Archie was on a TV news show and said “Arm all your passengers”?! The clip was on youtube a while back.


36 posted on 06/26/2012 7:20:52 PM PDT by bobby.223 (Retired high up in the mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: SCalGal

Oh, my. You too.


37 posted on 06/26/2012 7:27:34 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: elkfersupper
Oh, my. You too.

Yep. We're old.

38 posted on 06/26/2012 7:32:15 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$ or PETA.)
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To: SCalGal

Old? Hah! I’m old enough to have forgotten it!


39 posted on 06/26/2012 7:47:42 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN
Old? Hah! I’m old enough to have forgotten it!

Time flies, doesn't it?

40 posted on 06/26/2012 8:20:55 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$ or PETA.)
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To: SCalGal

It does indeed. I was laying in bed last night listing the names of men I have known as friends who are already gone. I almost scared myself at how long the list has become!


41 posted on 06/26/2012 8:32:27 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN
I was laying in bed last night listing the names of men I have known as friends who are already gone. I almost scared myself at how long the list has become!

I understand. I carry such a list in my heart.

42 posted on 06/26/2012 8:36:30 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$ or PETA.)
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To: SCalGal

I reserve that location for family ... and my two ex-wives.


43 posted on 06/26/2012 8:40:59 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Candor7
I wonder if Air Farce One has armed pilots?

Are the pilots of Air Force One allowed forks ?

(/s)

44 posted on 06/26/2012 8:47:40 PM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: doc1019

Simply, a sublime concept! Yes!


45 posted on 06/27/2012 12:25:40 AM PDT by Minnesota fox
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Well it might be “necessary” :-)


46 posted on 06/27/2012 4:45:00 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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