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Issa's Right: Tougher Gun Laws Fast And Furious Goal
IBD Editorials ^ | June 26, 2012

Posted on 06/26/2012 6:29:36 PM PDT by raptor22

Scandal: The head of the House oversight panel suggests the real reason for the administration's invoking executive privilege in the Fast and Furious case is to hide proof that the operation was part of a push for gun control.

Defenders of President Obama's use of executive privilege to provide cover for Attorney General Eric Holder in the gun-running fiasco that resulted in the deaths of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and ICE Agent Jaime Zapata may dismiss it as just another conspiracy theory. But the suggestion by Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., that the deadly operation was conceived to advance the administration's gun-control agenda is quite plausible.

"Here's the real answer as to gun control," Issa said on ABC's "This Week": "We have email from people involved in this that are talking about using what they're finding here to support the — basically assault weapons — ban or greater reporting."

Issa was asked about the possible connection after comments he made at an NRA convention. "Could it be," he said on NRA News' "Cam & Company" program, "that what they really were thinking of was in fact to use this walking of guns in order to promote an assault weapons ban? Many think so. And they haven't come up with an explanation that would cause any of us not to agree."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 2deadfeds; 300deadmexicans; atf; bamglist; banglist; brianterry; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ibd; ibdguns; ice; jaimezapata; murdergate; obama; terry; zapata

1 posted on 06/26/2012 6:29:47 PM PDT by raptor22
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To: raptor22

Already posted

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2899783/posts


2 posted on 06/26/2012 6:31:26 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: raptor22

Of course. A false flag operation instituted to discredit American gun dealers in Arizona. Dead people were just expected collateral damage so they could gin up a crack down on legitimate American gun owners and dealers.

That’s what is hidden in the documents Issa wants!


3 posted on 06/26/2012 6:37:14 PM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
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To: raptor22

Tougher gun laws was the intermediate goal. Disarming the American populace was a step to the ultimate goal of takeover of America by international socialism.


4 posted on 06/26/2012 6:38:20 PM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: raptor22

It is vital to realize that such a scheme would never work unless American lives were *sacrificed*.

Unlike the Columbus, NM massacre by Poncho Villa, that was enough to stimulate Americans to demand the invasion of Mexico to catch or kill Villa, Obama would never do *that*, because his objective was not for the Mexicans to be the bad guys, but for American gun sellers to be blamed for the death of Americans.

The scary part is to realize that the death of Brian Terry would not have been enough for this goal. So the intention of Obama and Holder was to *kill* even more Americans!

Obama and Holder wanted to *murder* Americans for their agenda! If that degree of ruthlessness doesn’t get to you, I don’t know what would.

And if they are willing to kill Americans for that reason, what other “agenda items” are they serious enough about to *murder* Americans?


5 posted on 06/26/2012 6:42:51 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

H0lder needs to be sent into Mexico to retrieve “his” guns.


6 posted on 06/26/2012 6:44:04 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: raptor22

Take an oath of office and not uphold the law and lie under oath and wonder why he is held in contempt? The MSM has not covered the big story again and again and they wonder why the ratings are in the can?


7 posted on 06/26/2012 6:50:19 PM PDT by FreedBird
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To: Defiant

I wonder how many of the Chicago deaths belong to Obama.

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/09/codrea-exclusive-project-gangwalker.html


8 posted on 06/26/2012 6:50:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: TsonicTsunami08

I believe the leader of this operation is in the documents that Issa wants. That leader is Barrack Hussein Obama.

This is a criminal enterprise.


9 posted on 06/26/2012 7:06:08 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Nachum; markomalley; Clairity; Carlucci; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; ...

Fast and Furios Ping


10 posted on 06/26/2012 7:06:54 PM PDT by raptor22 (Join me on Twitter @gerfingerpoken)
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To: tsowellfan

Not to “Editorial” which it is


11 posted on 06/26/2012 7:12:13 PM PDT by raptor22 (Join me on Twitter @gerfingerpoken)
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To: raptor22
If you have an interest in this, you MUST read Katie Pavlich's book "Fast and Furious". We have all gotten the inoi piecemeal because the MSM has ignored it. Katie puts all of this in perspective. The back 1/3 of the book is "proofs" for what she states. There is also an excellent timeline that is worth spending time with. She has put actual copies of the emails with the redactions into the appendix ... No wonder Issa said these were "black" documents. To me, it was a surprise that Napolatano was up to her ears In this too, and real purgery has occurred. I read the Kindle edition, but tonight ordered a hard copy so I could share the redacted documents and timelines with friends.

Hats off to this young lady for an excellent job...finally we encounter a real journalist.

12 posted on 06/26/2012 7:13:48 PM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (Anybody but Obama.)
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To: raptor22
in case this has been missed -

http://www.pjtv.com/page/Afterburner_with_Bill_Whittle/127/

Bill Whittle of PJ TV did a video a few days ago aout the ideology of Obama and Holder - his take seems to be what is driving plenty of congress people and radio talking heads. The really good news is that now there are dozens of sites like PJ, Daily Caller, Examiner, etc etc to go with the long time work of Freepers. The wilderness is full of folks like us who want to expsoe the crap in government.

13 posted on 06/26/2012 7:28:42 PM PDT by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: raptor22
in case this has been missed -

http://www.pjtv.com/page/Afterburner_with_Bill_Whittle/127/

Bill Whittle of PJ TV did a video a few days ago aout the ideology of Obama and Holder - his take seems to be what is driving plenty of congress people and radio talking heads. The really good news is that now there are dozens of sites like PJ, Daily Caller, Examiner, etc etc to go with the long time work of Freepers. The wilderness is full of folks like us who want to expose the crap in government.

14 posted on 06/26/2012 7:28:53 PM PDT by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: raptor22
Zer0 and H0;der need to personally go into Mexico to disarm the whole country.

(They could practice in Chicago.)

15 posted on 06/26/2012 7:29:25 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: raptor22

Why is it that the Left goes ape$hit over the supposed revealing of Valerie Plame, whose name was actually in Who’s Who and was not an active agent in harm’s way, yet they cannot seem to muster a tiny bit of sentiment for Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, slaughtered by the lies, deceit and incompetence of Atty General Holder. The balance is out of whack, and it doesn’t serve their purposes politically to mourn the actual death of an American agent killed by their leader’s negligence, but they can caterwaul relentlessly for the exaggerated threats to a woman who was safely ensconced in her Washington home.

All I see is hypocrisy.

I thought the Plame story was trumped up when I heard it.

I thought Patrick Fitzgerald did a huge disservice to the country with that bull dinky prosecution of a non-crime.


16 posted on 06/26/2012 7:37:44 PM PDT by Titus-Maximus (Light from Light)
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To: raptor22
Obama is a corrupt political liar who is trying to cover up his murderous policy.

Just like the communists.

Some people must die for the revolution to more forward.

If this is true, Obama has caused the death of 300 people.

Is jail time in his future?

http://www.bravenewwave.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Obama_CommunismKills.jpg">

17 posted on 06/26/2012 7:44:29 PM PDT by garjog
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To: TsonicTsunami08

As punishment for this underhanded and totally illegal and Unconstitutional scheme, the Government needs to lose a LOT of control over firearms. They have shown that they are NOT trustworthy with the current restrictions and these restrictions must be removed.

Nothing short of this will be acceptable.


18 posted on 06/26/2012 8:00:00 PM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: BCR #226

Forget about “punishing” the officials who want this — they should simply be ousted.


19 posted on 06/26/2012 8:02:05 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: raptor22; Lazamataz; MestaMachine; marktwain; Joe Brower; Nachum

20 posted on 06/26/2012 8:06:58 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: raccoonnookkeeper

The individuals that were responsible for this should to a person stand trial for mass murder. Then upon conviction, they should be placed against a wall and shot for their Treason.

But, the Government as an entity must also surrender some power because of the abuse shown by these individuals. Especially due to the attempted cover up and contempt not only for Congress but for the American People that is being shown by these scum bags. A power cannot be abused that is not there to be abused. The Government has lost all credibility when it comes to 2nd Amendment issues.


21 posted on 06/26/2012 8:07:45 PM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: BCR #226

Well that’s supposedly what the Constitution is for. A Con Con may be needed to put visible and explicit teeth in this “living” document. If it’s alive then it ought to be able to bite.


22 posted on 06/26/2012 8:13:41 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: raptor22

I had an interesting conversation with MADem at DU - very nasty twit, but has 4 trillion posts so I thought I’d engage her. Not get engaged to her.

There is this really soul-less feeling over there that (CAPS for screaming borderline personality disorder) “THIS IS NOT ABOUT BRIAN TERRY IF THEY DIDN’T GET THE GUNS FROM F&F THEY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THEM ANYWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!.” While that in itself is a loaded statement, given the 3rd gun and the paid informants, keeping it unloaded ...

Does anyone notice the curiousness of this argument? (Not the callousness, the curiousness.)

(And I’m not talking here about the argument that “OK why don’t I just go sell some meth to the kids at Charlestown High School down the street, after all, they’ll get it anyway from somewhere.”)

Isn’t an argument that says ‘If it wasn’t Holder’s gun it would have been some other gun’ an argument that says “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people?” I knew it was too complex an idea to get across to the shrill sociopathic hag (as Ayn says - those who deny reason can not be conquered by it - just avoid them), but here in Boston there are 5 conservatives total, and I ran it by 2 of them (so 66.6% of Boston conservatives including me), and they thought it was kind of an ironic argument too.

Anyway - I’m new sort of. I know FR pretty well from reading for ten years or so ... thanks for having me. Oh I am a godfather to a cat with 26 claws which is two short of the world record. Polydactyl Maine Coon cats were very popular on British ships in the 16/17 hundreds ... thought to be good luck ... good friends ... and crazy hunters ... the extra two claws on each front foot form opposable thumbs. She’s very hungry and conservative and family lore says 1/32 Viking Indian. Can she play?


23 posted on 06/26/2012 8:52:24 PM PDT by skeama (Mankind and the State: "Farce followed by Farce followed by Tragedy" -Steyn)
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To: raccoonnookkeeper

Forget about “punishing” the officials who want this — they should simply be ousted.

______________________________________________________________

Not only NO! But HELL NO!

These people, Obama and Holder, have killed in cold blood, you don’t just throw murderers out of office. These people need to be exposed and PUNISHED!

I have believed for a long time that Obama would not be the Democrat nominee for president for the next election and now I’m beginning to see why. Once Obama is exposed I just don’t see how he can continue to run. But then again I’m not very smart, I thought the semen stains on the blue dress would do Clinton in.

I wonder if Hillary will have any trouble beating Mitt Romnie.


24 posted on 06/26/2012 8:55:41 PM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig

I’m talking about thoughtcrime, not acted crimes. Trying to put a grudge over on a soulless object is silly.


25 posted on 06/26/2012 9:06:15 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: raccoonnookkeeper
I'd like to see this as an amendment:
Section 1
The congress shall not have the power to regulate the value of the currency of the United States with respect to itself. The Dollar shall be equal to the one hundred twenty-eighth part of an avoirdupois ounce -- approximately 28.35 grams -- of gold, the impurities of which shall not exceed one part in ten-thousand,.

Section 2
The United States shall assume no debt which shall cause the total debt obligation to exceed one hundred and ten percent of the physical monies under the actual control of the treasury.

Section 3
The treasury shall make available to the congress and the public the total amount of the physical under the actual control of the treasury no less frequently than annually. Misrepresentation of this amount shall, upon conviction, carry the death penalty.
Some people might think that section 3 is a bit over-the-top though.
26 posted on 06/26/2012 10:52:30 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: raptor22
The only logical explanation for Fast and Furious is that it was a ruse to justify more gun control laws. There is no other possibility. To believe the Regime's official story, you have to believe that they had no idea that it's actually impossible for US law enforcement to maintain surveillance on someone after they cross an international border; that this was a complete shock to them. To believe their story, you would also have to believe that the officials involved are also incapable of dressing themselves in the morning. You would have to believe that they cannot go to the bathroom without assistance. Only someone that impaired would truly believe that it's possible to observe how a firearm moves through another country. Since the BATFE doesn't own a fleet of short buses to transport its employees, they can't be that stupid. No one with more than a room temperature IQ could be that stupid.

The one and only explanation left is that it was a deliberate act. And the only possible benefit the Regime could expect from such an act would be to gin up support for more gun control.

27 posted on 06/27/2012 12:16:27 AM PDT by Redcloak (Mitt Romney: Puttin' the "Country club" back in "Republican".)
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To: raptor22

Im glad they are Finally Publicly saying these things, there is Evidence of exactly that. Just ask HILLARY the Beast,Diane Feinstein, Janet Napolitano who were touting the Lie That 90% Of the guns found in Mexico were coming from American Gun Shops,Fox at the time Debunked those Numbers. What Hillary and the rest were Doing was Pumping for Fast and Furious


28 posted on 06/27/2012 3:17:07 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: raptor22

That’s all this was about. It turned on them and bit them. They intended to claim that it was American guns that were killing people. Too bad there was a paper trail that was discovered when the border agent got shot.


29 posted on 06/27/2012 5:30:37 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: maxwellsmart_agent

Those hundreds of millions of dollars for the Clintons didn’t just come from speaking engagements and his retirement in such a short time. Wonder how deeply our government is involved in the drug trade?


30 posted on 06/27/2012 8:28:16 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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