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Syria talks of war as tension escalates with Turkey
CBC News ^ | Tuesday, June 26, 2012 | (with AP)

Posted on 06/26/2012 7:47:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

"We live in a real state of war from all angles," Syrian President Bashar al-Assad told his cabinet on Tuesday... "When we are in a war, all policies and all sides and all sectors need to be directed at winning this war." ...

"Any military element that approaches the Turkish border from Syria ... will be regarded as a threat and treated as a military target," said Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan...

Tuesday also saw Russia enter the war of words, albeit with a call for calm and restraint. Russia's Foreign Ministry said the loss of Turkey's jet should not be seen as a "provocation" by Syria, its close ally in the region.

"It is important that what happened is not viewed as a provocation or a premeditated action," said the ministry in a statement, according to Reuters...

Russia also reportedly warned world leaders against using the incident to push for stronger action against Syria.

The head of the NATO military alliance called the downing of the jet unacceptable on Tuesday, shortly after Turkey briefed NATO's North Atlantic Council in discussions held under Article 4 of NATO's founding treaty, which allows a NATO member to request consultations if its security has been threatened.

NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen... expressed solidarity with Turkey, but made no mention of retaliatory action.

Erdogan said Syria shot down the unarmed plane in international airspace in a "deliberate" and "hostile" act and without warning. He said border violations in the region were not uncommon, and that Syrian helicopters had violated Turkish airspace five times recently, without Turkish response...

The public anger in Turkey is largely muted, and Huseyin Celik, a senior member of Erdogan's ruling party, said the party grassroots is against going to war.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbc.ca ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: russia; syria; turkey; waronterror
Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan says the Turkish Armed Forces 'will respond to all violations on the Syrian border' following the downing of one of its jets by Syria. (Umit Bektas/Reuters)

Syria talks of war as tension escalates with Turkey

1 posted on 06/26/2012 7:47:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

The US should have wrecked Syria on the way into Iraq from the (second front) west.


2 posted on 06/26/2012 7:49:33 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Erdogan can’t deliver. Just as it was in our operation to snuff Saddam, he says something will happen, and he won’t have the votes.

More accurately, the policy he appears to advocate won’t have the votes.

Erdogan, like the rest of his partisans (and Obama), are Islamofascists, and don’t give a damn about the best interest of their own nation.

Syria in a Real Situation of War, Says Assad
Arutz Sheva | 27/6/12 | Elad Benari
Posted on 06/26/2012 2:51:15 PM PDT by Eleutheria5
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2899732/posts


3 posted on 06/26/2012 7:52:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

My first hope would be that they give up their demonic religion and find God, but I my second hope is that Turkey gets imperialistic again, rolls over Syria, and then gets bogged down in a messy Mu-on-Mu war of occupation for the next 40 years.


4 posted on 06/26/2012 7:54:02 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Are they nuts? Turkey backed by NATO takes Syria out in about 10 minutes.


5 posted on 06/26/2012 7:56:56 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Paladin2

After it became clear that Assad supported the terrorist bastards killing US troops, we should have used western Iraq as a staging area to roll right over Assad, shooting down his plane taking him into exile, and not stopping until the Hizzies were annihilated in Lebanon.


6 posted on 06/26/2012 7:57:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Paladin2; a_Turk
The US should have wrecked Syria on the way into Iraq from the (second front) west.

It was Turkey that stopped us in violation of NATO treaty. Turkey is nothing but another Islamic turd world country. When I lived there, Ataturk's dream of a secular modern country was still viable. Since then they've devolved into an ordinary Islamic basket case sliding towards the 13th century.
7 posted on 06/26/2012 7:58:28 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: DManA

Bashar al-Assad must be trying to get the nation to rally around him.


8 posted on 06/26/2012 8:00:18 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: Tailback

Did you ever get to visit Armenia? If so, what was that like?


9 posted on 06/26/2012 8:02:09 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: DManA

Even without NATO’s backing, Turkey’s army and airforce would smash the Syrian army in under a week. It would be not be bloodless on the Turkish side, either, but Turkey has armed forces to the tune of 600,000 (obviously not all combat infantry, but it’s the second largest army in Europe, after Russia’s). And Syria’s armed forces would start to come apart at the sectarian seams when the shooting started.


10 posted on 06/26/2012 8:06:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SampleMan

I doubt that Erdogan could use the Turkish army to keep order if his fellow Islamofascist Turks were to rush into the streets to riot and demand immediate imposition of shariah “law”. He’s treated the Turkish army as the enemy throughout his time in power. One patriotic Turkish bullet could have changed all that — instead, the Turkish army will probably fall down and split its pants (figuratively) on the remote possibility that Erdogan manages to get authorization for Turkish intervention in Syria.


11 posted on 06/26/2012 8:06:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Who gives a damn; they are all ragheads, the more they kill each other the happier I will be.


12 posted on 06/26/2012 8:07:58 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: DManA
Are they nuts? Turkey backed by NATO takes Syria out in about 10 minutes.

Turkey's ability to project power more than a few miles beyond its own borders is pretty limited.

13 posted on 06/26/2012 8:12:36 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: SunkenCiv
Rumors of Brit Sp Ops being 10 clicks inside Syrian boarder to set up first of many free-zones for opposition and no-fly’s. Awaiting Hezzi, Iranian and Russian response to blatant incursion....
14 posted on 06/26/2012 8:16:00 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: tsowellfan
Did you ever get to visit Armenia? If so, what was that like?

The closest I got was 3 days in Erzerum. (end of Rome) It was Kurd country so while I didn't feel threatened, I didn't feel a whole lot of welcome either. I may as well have gone back in a time machine 150 years. Some electricity, almost no sanitation (very common in islamist countries) farmers still used horse drawn carts, women in full burkas.
15 posted on 06/26/2012 8:22:58 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: Tallguy

Nonsense. NATO said today they back Turkey unequivocally.


16 posted on 06/26/2012 8:27:11 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Paladin2

Could be the start of WWIII in my view. This is major to these countries and likely to be ignored by Western countries. Bad for us.


17 posted on 06/26/2012 8:29:45 PM PDT by Deagle (nOT Get a)
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To: 5th MEB

I agree. Stand back and let the bastards have at it.


18 posted on 06/26/2012 8:30:01 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Turkey is hated by:

kurds
iranians
russians
the balkan states
eastern europe
armenians and other states in the caucasus region.

Syria would get plenty of help.


19 posted on 06/26/2012 8:30:09 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: DManA

Great, we’re going to go to war for frikkin’ Turkey, just great.


20 posted on 06/26/2012 8:30:53 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: DManA

Right, and Iran, Israel, and Egypt will just stand by, who are you kidding...not to mention NATO (after all, they are obligated to be involved).


21 posted on 06/26/2012 8:33:10 PM PDT by Deagle (nOT Get a)
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To: dfwgator

I know. It seemed like such a good idea to let Turkey into NATO at the time. If you make a deal with Muslims eventually you will regret it.


22 posted on 06/26/2012 8:35:00 PM PDT by DManA
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To: dfwgator

It’s called an agreement against aggression. You can argue with the terms, but we have agreed to help them in crisis. What do you want to do?


23 posted on 06/26/2012 8:36:48 PM PDT by Deagle (nOT Get a)
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To: Deagle

Try to make a deal with a Muslim they will slip a knife into your back as soon as you turn it.


24 posted on 06/26/2012 8:38:57 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Deagle
You can argue with the terms, but we have agreed to help them in crisis.

You mean like Turkey helped us against Iraq?

25 posted on 06/26/2012 8:39:18 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: DManA

With that, I don’t disagree! We may have made a pact with the devil here. It is in force though and if we do not disavow it, we are required to help.

Not sure which way I would vote here though. It seems that Turkey has long become a part of the Islamist creed. They have stopped out conveys, argued with us about drones, etc.

Maybe this is the time to kick them out of NATO and disregard any previous relationships.


26 posted on 06/26/2012 8:41:13 PM PDT by Deagle (nOT Get a)
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To: DManA
Not exactly. Turkey has no Chemical or Biological WMD. They have signed onto the nonproliferation treaty. Syria has not signed onto the treaty and they possess a large stockpile of Chemical WMD. And it is possibly that their biological capability was enhanced with Saddams stockpile. Syria can take out Turkey by attacking its civilians. Turkey has no defense from that and can only retaliate by having the US use its nukes that are stored in Turkey for NATO’s defense. Now can you imagine how difficult it would be to get the green light to retaliate with those nukes ?
27 posted on 06/26/2012 8:51:33 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: DManA

Turks know about how honest Arabs are—They would mince no words on these fellows—This could spin out of control really fast. A border skirmish turns into a battle, Turkey attack a Syrian City, Syria hits Ankara with poison gas or germs. Turks go crazy swarm across the border killing all in their way. Iran gets involved, hits Turkey, battle at sea Syria-Russia vs. Turkish navy. Israel joins the Turks in battle. Just one set of things that could happen.


28 posted on 06/26/2012 9:59:06 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Deagle

You slept thru WWIII? We lost almost 100,000 KIA in that one.


29 posted on 06/26/2012 10:04:44 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: ASA Vet

Maybe you should look at current NATO agreements instead of looking at the past.


30 posted on 06/26/2012 10:14:35 PM PDT by Deagle (nOT Get a)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
Looks like a proxy war between Turkey and Iran.

The Growing Iran-Turkey Rivalry

31 posted on 06/26/2012 11:11:09 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
And according to Iran, Cold War II has begun.

SYRIA: Cold War II, Edging Closer to a "Hot War"?

32 posted on 06/26/2012 11:13:12 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: DManA

Talking in the name of Balkan countries (Serbia, Bulgaria, Greece) we would go against Turkey in no time. We just need a reason to get them once and for all.
And as far as I see, Israelis would too.


33 posted on 06/27/2012 1:21:01 AM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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Thanks Jumper.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2899826/posts?page=14#14


34 posted on 06/27/2012 2:56:32 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Most of the operations would be conducted by the Turkish 2nd Army. VI Corps (Adana district) is along the border with VII and VIII in support to the northeast.

VI Corps consists of a single mech brigade along with an armored brigade and an artillery regiment. That corps won’t get far without a lot of help from the other heavy corps. BTW, the “Heavy Corps” infantry brigades are all listed as “motorized”, ie. unarmored, truckborne infantry.

The best armor that the Turks have is around 400 Leopard 2A4’s. The bulk of their armored forces still use modernized M60’s with M48’s in reserve.

As we’ve seen, the Turkish Phantoms are not going to survive long in a modern SAM environment without sophisticated Wild Weasel support. I can’t say if the Turkish AF’s F-16’s train for that mission.

Basically if Turkey wanted to hit Syria with their Sunday Punch, they’d have to strip their forces along the Russian border. I don’t think that they’ll do that given the noises that Putin is making.

The Turks will do what they did in Northern Iraq. A puntative raid. They’ll go in to a depth of a few miles and sit. And that’s about all they are really capable of unless they go all in.


35 posted on 06/27/2012 4:53:49 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Tailback; Wilum
Good morning.

The closest I got was 3 days in Erzerum.

I spent a few weeks in Erzerum. Used to go to the outter detachments all the time. Sinop was fun too. < /s>

I was in country 77-78. TUSLOG Det 67. When were you there?

5.56mm

36 posted on 06/27/2012 5:11:54 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: M Kehoe

87-88 @ Cakmakli


37 posted on 06/27/2012 6:20:40 AM PDT by Tailback
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To: Tailback
Cakmakli is still there, wow. Cakmakli means, "hill of fire," in Turkish. Did you have decent barracks? Electricity, and potable water?

Did the Det still have nukes in '88? If so, Pershings?

What was your MOS? It has been 20 yrs, so you can probably talk about it now.

Sorry about all the questions.

5.56mm

38 posted on 06/27/2012 6:33:15 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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Wow! Between the three of us, we covered the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s!


39 posted on 06/27/2012 8:00:07 AM PDT by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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To: M Kehoe

Cakmakli was closed and turned back over to the Turks in 1990 or so. It was a nice tour, the best I had in my enlistment. I was a finance clerk, there were things that the ordnance guys wouldnt talk about.


40 posted on 06/27/2012 9:21:22 AM PDT by Tailback
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