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Firing squad ends clerk’s EBT stand
Boston Herald ^ | 27 June 2012 | Howie Carr

Posted on 06/27/2012 6:12:04 AM PDT by smokingfrog

Jackie Whiton, age 65, had worked as a cashier at the Big Apple convenience store in Peterborough, N.H., for years. But then a couple of weeks ago she committed a firing offense.

She refused to allow a welfare recipient to use his EBT card to buy a pack of smokes.

How dare a taxpayer say no to a member of the non-working class? This is verboten in Obama’s America.

So she was fired. That’ll teach her. The gimme guy was a young man, about 20, and when he asked for cigarettes, Jackie Whiton handed them to him but asked for his ID. He handed her his EBT card.

“I said to him, ‘Do you think that the man in line behind you and the lady behind him want to buy you your cigarettes?’ And he said ‘Yes.’ Then he said, ‘Give me back my card.’ And I said, ‘Give me back my cigarettes.’ ”

The kid left and the man behind him in line then told Jackie Whiton, “You said just exactly what I was thinking.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: dependentclass; ebt; foodstamps; onein7; wastedtaxdollars
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1 posted on 06/27/2012 6:12:16 AM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

You can buy cigs with welfare?? No wonder the feds don’t want to give you an accounting.


2 posted on 06/27/2012 6:19:54 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: smokingfrog
Carr summed it up pretty well. “What's theirs is theirs and what's yours is theirs.”
That plus the fact that the poor young prince of the urban jungle was probably one of Eric Holder's people means that Jackie Whiton is SOL. Just like the rest of us.
3 posted on 06/27/2012 6:21:33 AM PDT by Tupelo (TeaParty member, but no longer a Republican)
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To: smokingfrog

Purchasing smokes, lots of smokes, with EBT cards should be encouraged for obvious reasons.


4 posted on 06/27/2012 6:22:43 AM PDT by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: smokingfrog
I listen to Howie from here in VT as often as I can and he has been on a tear of late over the [mis]use of EBT cards.

And our Dear Leader (the the Dept of Agriculture) is advertising for more people to apply while at the same time, it has ordered States not to divulge where these cares are being used or what the "recipients" are purchasing with them.

5 posted on 06/27/2012 6:23:59 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: Tupelo

Probably heading for the strip club with his EBT card?


6 posted on 06/27/2012 6:26:09 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: smokingfrog

I have a part time job in the wine and spirits department of a large grocery store. Our card reader will not allow EBT cards to purchase tobacco products, beer, wine or liquor. Sadly I have frequently seen EBT users buy about $10 worth of junk food and then pay cash for about $20 worth of beer. What dismays me most about the EBT cards is that users can buy all sorts of junk food and even bottled water, large steaks and crab legs. If Michelle Obama or Mayor Bloomberg wanted to end obesity simply restrict EBT card purchases only to healthy food items similar to the WIC program.


7 posted on 06/27/2012 6:26:32 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: WKUHilltopper

Is this federal or state? As a taxpaying citizen, I should know but don’t.


8 posted on 06/27/2012 6:27:25 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: FrdmLvr

And bath salts.............


9 posted on 06/27/2012 6:27:25 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: smokingfrog
Foods To Buy With Your New Hampshire EBT Card

Cigarettes and tobacco are not eligible. The clerk was fired for the "these other people probably don't want to buy your smokes" remark. The outcome might have been different if she'd said something like "that product isn't eligible for purchase on an EBT card."

10 posted on 06/27/2012 6:29:24 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: The Great RJ

The only “food aid” that should be available is 3 MRE’s a day. Period. If it’s good enough for our troops it’s good enough for them.


11 posted on 06/27/2012 6:29:29 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is, it is the only answer.)
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To: The Great RJ
Michelle Obama or Mayor Bloomberg wanted to end obesity simply restrict EBT card purchases only to healthy food items similar to the WIC program.

Wouldn't you LOVE to ask them that question on national tv?

12 posted on 06/27/2012 6:29:48 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: FrdmLvr

I was thinking that, too. For one thing, heavy smokers have lower rates of obesity, and we know there’s a terrible obesity epidemic among people too poor to purchase food.


13 posted on 06/27/2012 6:30:51 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Spinach at every meal.)
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To: Portcall24

My understanding it is like Medicaid—the state and fed splits the cost.


14 posted on 06/27/2012 6:32:16 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: smokingfrog
Those are the same people who will be hogging the emergency lines in Obamacare.
They will have made up illnesses to acquire drugs and have free time because they refuse to work.
So the working class, will be last in line. Bank on it.

Oh, and where did the stories go about Doctors taking early retirement if
Obocare is implemented? The Gov cannot force them to care.

15 posted on 06/27/2012 6:32:28 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: Portcall24

So I tried answering my own question. I looked at Virginia EBT and found the following:

Items that can be purchased with SNAP include:

Food or food products meant to be eaten by people
Vegetable seeds and food producing plants, roots, and trees for family consumption
Baby formula, diabetic, and diet foods
Edible items used in preparing or preserving food such as spices and herbs, pectin, and shortening
Water and ice labeled for human consumption
Snack foods
Meals delivered to elderly or disabled SNAP recipients if the organization providing the meal is authorized to accept EBT cards

Items that cannot be purchased with benefits include:

Prepared hot foods in grocery stores
Any prepared food (hot or cold) sold and meant to be eaten at the store
Alcoholic beverages and tobacco
Cleaning products, paper products, toiletries, and cooking utensils
Pet foods
Items for food preservation such as canning jars and lids, freezer containers, or food wrapping paper
Medicines, vitamins or minerals
Items for gardening such as fertilizer and peat moss


16 posted on 06/27/2012 6:32:44 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: smokingfrog
New Food Stamp (EBT) commercial that YOU are paying for!!
17 posted on 06/27/2012 6:33:15 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: smokingfrog

In the book ‘Brave New World’ a drug called ‘soma’ was used to control the masses, especially the lower class castes that did menial labor and had room temperature IQs.

EBT (Obama bucks)is the ‘soma’ of today............


18 posted on 06/27/2012 6:34:57 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Lurker

Too good. when I was in the Army, in 1969 in Korea, I got issued a box of ‘Cs’ [we were on patrol] that had been boxed when my Pop was in the Army - in 1944. Bet you there’s a whole of of those beauties stashed somewhere, and ready to go.


19 posted on 06/27/2012 6:35:58 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: nascarnation; The Great RJ

WIC subsidies can be used for milk, cheese, and all kind of vitamin-fortified processed grain gunk, as well as baby foods, formula, and so on. None of this stuff (except single-ingredient baby foods) is any “healthier” than steak and crab legs: it’s just cheaper.

If you give people money or the equivalent, you simply can’t control what they do with it.


20 posted on 06/27/2012 6:38:47 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Spinach at every meal.)
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To: FrdmLvr

And half the price of a pack of cigs is taxes, so they get a big chunk of the money back.


21 posted on 06/27/2012 6:39:12 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Red Badger

Soma: “A gramm is better than a damn.”

EBT: “A swipe is better than a gripe.”


22 posted on 06/27/2012 6:42:12 AM PDT by Carlucci
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To: FrdmLvr
"Purchasing smokes, lots of smokes, with EBT cards should be encouraged for obvious reasons."

The problem with that is it takes to long and some people can smoke 10 packs a day and still make it to 90 years old!!

Must be a better way.......

23 posted on 06/27/2012 6:43:40 AM PDT by Johnny_cash
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To: Cboldt

With some cards they can buy smokes and beer, read the story.
And I know this lady and she doesn’t take any crap.


24 posted on 06/27/2012 6:44:54 AM PDT by sopwith (don't tread on me)
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To: PzLdr

I saw my share of C’s in training in 68 that had been in storage since WW2 also.

Makes one wonder exactly where we are heading in the country: cannot stop illegals from coming in, cannot deport them, cannot limit what goes out for food, cannot deny housing assistance and cannot force anyone to work.

We no longer have too few pulling the cart, the cart is now sliding backwards over the cliff.


25 posted on 06/27/2012 6:45:04 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: sopwith

It’s sad.
In better times, she’d leave a job like this and just go find another one.
In the Baraqqi Depression, losing any job is scary.


26 posted on 06/27/2012 6:47:15 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Lurker

The only “food aid” that should be available is 3 MRE’s a day.


I think that should be the only food they should get, but they will get fatter than ever.

http://www.mreinfo.com/us/mre/mres.html
From the site:
“Each MRE provides an average of 1,250 calories”


27 posted on 06/27/2012 6:48:25 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It's time to take out the trash in DC.)
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To: MaxMax
they refuse to work.

Because of automation there is a small percentage of the population that has nothing to offer the labor market. They can perform no task that can't be done cheaper and better with less hassle by machines. As automation increases this percentage will grow to 100% of the population someday. What we're witnessing is the beginning of that trend. Poor Americans starving is a thing of the past but we're pretty much stuck with more and more people permanently on food stamps.

28 posted on 06/27/2012 6:49:09 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: Cboldt
I think there may be 2 different kinds of EBT cards. One to take the place of food stamps, and another kind that is a debit card, which they can use to pay you disability benefits and stuff like that.

The following DFA programs are eligible to receive benefits using EBT:


29 posted on 06/27/2012 6:49:41 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: FrdmLvr
Purchasing smokes, lots of smokes, with EBT cards should be encouraged for obvious reasons.

Rethink that one; the lung cancer kills slowly and Medicaid will pay for treatment all that time.

30 posted on 06/27/2012 6:50:11 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of LibertyI'm st! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Cloward-Piven?


31 posted on 06/27/2012 6:51:39 AM PDT by monocle
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To: smokingfrog

Obama’s America = EBT


32 posted on 06/27/2012 6:51:46 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Lurker
The only “food aid” that should be available is 3 MRE’s a day.

A big AMEN to that!

33 posted on 06/27/2012 6:52:15 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of LibertyI'm st! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Arrowhead1952

I stood in line, along with 5 other people while a 20-something and her Mama pulled out their EBT card and paid . . . $75.00 worth of chocolate candy.

When they left, everyone in the store had something to say and it was all negative.


34 posted on 06/27/2012 6:52:55 AM PDT by imemyself
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To: smokingfrog

we’re in the computer age that being said the cash register could be programed to kick out items when the card is used or swipe the card first and the item won’t ring up.


35 posted on 06/27/2012 6:56:38 AM PDT by jrd (DO AWAY WITH THE EPA)
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To: Mouton; PzLdr
First they fed us the K-Rations. Then for a "treat" C-Rations. Then "LRRP" Rations. Edible. Have tried "Meals refused by Ethiopians." Better. Not great, but better than my generation of rations.

_______________

What angers me most about many welfare recipients is they always seem to buy prepared food. One would assume they have nothing to do, so why not buy cheaper food, fresh food, and prepare it themselves? Homeless aside of course. I particularly enjoy watching welfare shoppers buy packaged, prepared food. Then head for liquor dept. then stop at the Red Box for a movie. Life is great!

36 posted on 06/27/2012 6:57:34 AM PDT by donozark (Col. C.Beckwith:I'd rather go down the river with 7 studs than with a hundred shitheads.)
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To: smokingfrog

A common usage of the EBT card is to give it and the PIN number to the heroin dealer in exchange for product. The dealer then goes and gets all his steaks and lobster on it. He either gives it back or the user reports it stolen or lost and gets another.

I can also tell you that nearly every person I ever arrested that had an EBT card also had a casino card as well.


37 posted on 06/27/2012 6:58:23 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: WKUHilltopper

I don’t know about other places, but in Oklahoma it is illegal to buy cigarettes with those cards.


38 posted on 06/27/2012 7:01:40 AM PDT by pepperdog (Why are Democrats Afraid of a Voter ID Law?)
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To: Lurker

The only “food aid” that should be available is 3 MRE’s a day. Period. If it’s good enough for our troops it’s good enough for them.

GREAT IDEA!


39 posted on 06/27/2012 7:10:11 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (Obama is like Ron Burgundy - he will read ANYTHING that is on the teleprompter)
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To: pepperdog
Lookie here, and isn't this "special"! "Special" I say!

Her manager called the New Hampshire Department of Health and Human Services and was told that cigarettes — and beer — can be purchased with a cash (as opposed to a food) EBT card.

There are "cash" EBT cards! Special!

40 posted on 06/27/2012 7:11:57 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: smokingfrog

41 posted on 06/27/2012 7:12:22 AM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: smokingfrog

The a-holes who came up with the EBT claimed it would remove the stigma of using food stamps.
There should be shame for being a parasite.


42 posted on 06/27/2012 7:16:18 AM PDT by hecht (restore Hetch-Hetchy, and screw San Francisco)
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To: smokingfrog

The ‘Free State’ strikes again...any conservative that is in a position to flee the New England ‘police state’ should do so...while they still can. It’s only going to get worse...


43 posted on 06/27/2012 7:19:04 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Cboldt

There are ways around it. Almost all large grocery stores rely on the bar code on every package. This tells the register (really a computer) what the item is. Then the computer can tally the total food items and non food items. The user swipes their EBT card selects the “food stamps/food” button on the pin pad, the computer deducts the amount from the total that the EBT card is qualified to pay for and the customer is left with the cash total (that the cash portion of the EBT card can also pay).

Now.. the small mom and pop gas station/convenience store. Many of these establishments rely on a simple cash register and CC terminal. It’s up to the cashier to know what can, or can not be paid for with EBT. Since the EBT card is swiped through a second terminal it does NOT know what is being paid for and thus, until audited, the store could sell anything, smokes, gas, propane and bill it to a EBT card using the food benefits. There are stories of smaller shops getting busted for food stamp fraud all the time.

There is also the very possible chance this “customer” was attempting to pay for his smokes with the cash benefits many get. Since they are linked to the same card the only way to know if they get cash benefits is to run the card as a EBT/Cash transaction. As wrong as it may sound, the “cash” benefit is just that. Cash. It can be spent on anything or even withdrawn from a ATM in cash.

(Yes I know a bit about this. No I do not have a EBT card. But I do install/repair/maintain Point Of Sale equipment in grocery stores and a rather large “mart” that sees a a lot of EBT cards)


44 posted on 06/27/2012 7:21:58 AM PDT by cableguymn (If your policies are pushing the economy in to headwinds.. TURN YOUR POLICY AROUND!)
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To: smokingfrog; Andonius_99; Andy'smom; Antique Gal; Big Guy and Rusty 99; bitt; Barset; ...

thanks for posting

Howie Carr list ping


45 posted on 06/27/2012 7:23:05 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: Cboldt

“that product isn’t eligible for purchase on an EBT card.”


But it is. If the card holder also gets a “cash” benefit the card CAN be used to pay for smokes.

Sad.. but true.


46 posted on 06/27/2012 7:28:39 AM PDT by cableguymn (If your policies are pushing the economy in to headwinds.. TURN YOUR POLICY AROUND!)
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To: smokingfrog

Someone needs to make an Indiegogo account for this little old lady since she lost her job. I bet a lot of people would donate what a pack a cigarettes cost. I don’t fault the store for letting her go, but I applaud her spirit in speaking out while so many don’t.


47 posted on 06/27/2012 7:29:46 AM PDT by jamz
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To: smokingfrog

In most (if not all) states one card can access both accounts. It’s like the debit or credit question on the pin pad. It just says cash or food stamps.


48 posted on 06/27/2012 7:32:29 AM PDT by cableguymn (If your policies are pushing the economy in to headwinds.. TURN YOUR POLICY AROUND!)
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To: donozark

Funny you mention that about prepared foods. I’ve noticed that the prepared food sections of our local supermarkets are now taking up much more of the store than in the past. I believe that as long as the food is not prepared to be eaten on premise, that counts for EBT usage. Of course, we don’t use that avenue much as we watch our food budget but then again, we don’t get the government freebees either.


49 posted on 06/27/2012 7:42:11 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: cableguymn

I was going to say the same thing. The EBT card can contain two accounts. One for food stamps, the other for cash assistance(TANF). It may appear that a person is using food stamps for beer or smokes, but they are using their cash account. Not saying its right, but they can spend the cash on whatever they wish. We need another welfare reform when there is a conservative president and a majority. Limit TANF to 2 yrs, not 4. And place a time limit on food stamps.


50 posted on 06/27/2012 7:51:38 AM PDT by goseminoles
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