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The Truth About the Fast and Furious Scandal (Major MSM pushback)
Fortune - CNN ^ | Wednesday, June 27, 2012 | Katherine Eban

Posted on 06/27/2012 10:31:42 AM PDT by kristinn

A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust.

In the annals of impossible assignments, Dave Voth's ranked high. In 2009 the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives promoted Voth to lead Phoenix Group VII, one of seven new ATF groups along the Southwest border tasked with stopping guns from being trafficked into Mexico's vicious drug war.

Some call it the "parade of ants"; others the "river of iron." The Mexican government has estimated that 2,000 weapons are smuggled daily from the U.S. into Mexico. The ATF is hobbled in its effort to stop this flow. No federal statute outlaws firearms trafficking, so agents must build cases using a patchwork of often toothless laws. For six years, due to Beltway politics, the bureau has gone without permanent leadership, neutered in its fight for funding and authority. The National Rifle Association has so successfully opposed a comprehensive electronic database of gun sales that the ATF's congressional appropriation explicitly prohibits establishing one.

Voth, 39, was a good choice for a Sisyphean task. Strapping and sandy-haired, the former Marine is cool-headed and punctilious to a fault. In 2009 the ATF named him outstanding law-enforcement employee of the year for dismantling two violent street gangs in Minneapolis. He was the "hardest working federal agent I've come across," says John Biederman, a sergeant with the Minneapolis Police Department. But as Voth left to become the group supervisor of Phoenix Group VII, a friend warned him: "You're destined to fail."

(Excerpt) Read more at features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
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Becca Glover Watkins, spokeswoman for Chairman Darrell Issa on the House Oversight Committee said on Twitter that this article is a "fantasy."

This is a long article and will be used by opponents to turn the Fast and Furious investigation in to a partisan fight. Read the article to learn what you are up against so you will be able to respond appropriately when needed.

1 posted on 06/27/2012 10:31:48 AM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

Fortune is a TIME brand.
What does anyone expect ?


2 posted on 06/27/2012 10:36:44 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: kristinn
No federal statute outlaws firearms trafficking

From the third paragraph - I'm sure there are other lies before that one, but that's the one I know for sure is blatant.

Look up ITAR. Also known as Export Control, it explicitly forbids you from sending weapons outside the country.

3 posted on 06/27/2012 10:36:44 AM PDT by HiJinx (He who controls the water, controls life.)
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To: kristinn

oh for cripe’s sake... how are they able to know ANY of this, and present it AS FACT, when Holder will not release the documents needed to assemble this story?????

That’s the whole f*^%ing POINT!!!

(not yelling at you kristinn)


4 posted on 06/27/2012 10:40:02 AM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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To: kristinn

iF this were true - WHY NOT RELEASE THE DOCUMENTS IF IT’S SO INNOCENT?


5 posted on 06/27/2012 10:41:27 AM PDT by expat2
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To: kristinn
The Department of Justice ’ s Operation Fast and Furious: Accounts of ATF Agents

(above) Four ATF field agents testify under oath that they "never even heard of intentionally letting guns "walk" before F&F."

‘Wide Receiver’ CI: ‘It had nothing to do with Bush or even DOJ’

New Documents Highlight Differences in Bush-Era, Obama-Era Gunrunner Investigations

Operation Wide Receiver vs. Operation Fast and Furious

Mexico's Gun Supply and the 90 Percent Myth


6 posted on 06/27/2012 10:41:36 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: HiJinx
No federal statute outlaws firearms trafficking

In that case the DoJ and ATF have spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to stop people from engaging in legal acts of commerce. They should be prosecuted for that then.

7 posted on 06/27/2012 10:45:07 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: expat2

No reason for the executive privilege is there? It was written before the executive privilege was announced.


8 posted on 06/27/2012 10:45:07 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
"A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug "

How is 'Fortune' able to investigate this, and come to this conclusion, when Issa cannot get Holder to release the documents so that Congress can do an investigation?

Wasn't that the whole point of Fast and Furious?- to intentially let guns go to Mexico and 'track' them?

For what purpose, we can not know... UNTIL HOLDER RELEASES THE DOCUMENTS

9 posted on 06/27/2012 10:45:21 AM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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To: kristinn
The MSM is now locked in a furious attempt to explain why they have completely ignored this incredible story for almost two years now. The sitting AG is about to be held in contempt by a BIPARTISAN vote of the House tomorrow(!) and anybody who only gets their news from DNC/CNN/ABC/NBC/MSNBDNC/WAPO/NYT will be saying ... HUH!? What is Fast & Furious?!

And the fantasy being concocted by the desperate MSM will be laughable in the face of ... Issa: 31 Democrats Will Vote To Condemn Holder

10 posted on 06/27/2012 10:47:15 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: kristinn

THE REAL TRUTH about F+F:

Some undercover DEA agents in one cartel got in a battle with some undercover FBI agents in another cartel using guns that ATF agents forced gunshops owners to sell to undercover CIA agents who were ‘gun mules’, and Agent Terry’s unit got caught in the crossfire.

The Sinola Cartel is coming out the ‘big winner’, and Obama and Calderon have promised the ‘winner’ rights to all smuggling through ARIZONA. (that is why the FEDS are all over AZ and the immigration laws).

Smuggling will drop along other areas of the border (Texas, for example) and Obama and Calderon will declare they have CLOSED the border.


11 posted on 06/27/2012 10:47:47 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: kristinn

An article purposely written with many an anecdotal aside to draw the reader to confidence in the author.

Very cleverly written. Points for that even though I believe it total BS.


12 posted on 06/27/2012 10:49:09 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Mr. K
"A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug "

Straw argument. Sure, they may not have targeted the drug rings...but they intentionally allowed guns to fall into whatever hands they might fall into to accelerate the flow.

The cartels would have been only one of the natural recipients.

13 posted on 06/27/2012 10:49:34 AM PDT by what's up
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To: kristinn
Here is my theory on why Obama issued his order severing ties with Arizona after the Immigration ruling from SCOTUS:

I wonder if Obama won't help Arizona because he's afraid that Fast And Furious guns will eventually be found combing back across the border with an illegal alien. It's just a matter of time.

He doesn't want to step up illegal immigration enforcement because if they find a gun, everything would begin to unravel. He's using immigration as an excuse to look the other way on everything else.

-PJ

14 posted on 06/27/2012 10:53:34 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: Mr. K
Just posted on Twitter by the Daily Caller's Matthew Boyle:

"Dem Adam Schiff just told me "absolutely" there was " government misconduct" in #FASTANDFURIOUS. His admission invalidates exec privilege"

15 posted on 06/27/2012 11:04:55 AM PDT by kristinn (Dump the Chump in 2012)
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To: kristinn

This article is an attempt to further the cause of Fast and Furious, which is gun control. It drips with disdain for the right of Americans to purchase firearms without interference and registration from the Fed. ...Several things beg an explanation. If Feds observed straw purchases from American citizens who passed an instant check, why didn’t a flag go up to prevent those same people from making future straw purchases? The Fed must have had a plan or scheme going on that allowed the practice to continue. Since the Fed knew about these straw purchases, and knew they were going into Mexico, why weren’t Mexican officials notified? This entire article stinks of ass covering. Of course the real solution to this problem isn’t more gun control in the US, but more border control, and we know Obama, Holder, and the entire criminal regime running this country want nothing to do protecting our border from invaders.


16 posted on 06/27/2012 11:04:55 AM PDT by pallis
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To: kristinn

holy cow!


17 posted on 06/27/2012 11:15:10 AM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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To: TigersEye
No federal statute outlaws firearms trafficking

This falls into the same level of absurdity as George Costanza on "Seinfeld" whining about being fired from his job for having sex in the office with the cleaning lady...

"Was that wrong? Should I not have done that? I tell you, I gotta plead ignorence on this thing, because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing is frowned upon... you know, cause I've worked in a lot of offices, and I tell you, people do that all the time."

18 posted on 06/27/2012 11:25:32 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: pallis

This Eban is either and idiot or a tool for Obama. She trys to blame the fact that guns were walked to Mexico on prosecutors!

She states that there were no laws in place to stop straw purchasers!

She states that there were no laws in place to stop guns from going to Mexico!

So, it’s all because there weren’t enough laws in place. But it has nothing to do with gun control. To think that is to be a conspiracy nut.

Hell, this is so nuts that even George Orwell wouldn’t have been able to come up with it. But “big sister” Eban has the balls to write this screed.


19 posted on 06/27/2012 11:26:17 AM PDT by saleman (!!!!)
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To: kristinn

Move along. Those aren’t the droids you’re looking for.


20 posted on 06/27/2012 11:29:28 AM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: kristinn

You have to be real suspicious when an article purports to have the truth on the Gunwalkergate Scandal.

And doubly suspicious when they use the word ‘intentionally’ in the subhead.


21 posted on 06/27/2012 11:54:30 AM PDT by BerserkPatriot (Why is the Democratic National Committee waging a War on liberty?)
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To: kristinn
Let's remember where, when, and who started all of this. Only the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIF would arm U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry with “less than lethal” beanbag rounds.
Read Did flawed US policies play role in death of a border patrol agent? You might be interested in the book below.


22 posted on 06/27/2012 12:00:07 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: kristinn

Going to be hard to claim it’s a “partisan fight” if the news stories about how many democrats are also going to vote for contempt tomorrow.....


23 posted on 06/27/2012 12:05:27 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: kristinn

My friends . . . welcome the Fantasy Island . . . .


24 posted on 06/27/2012 1:10:48 PM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: 6SJ7
LOL Seriously, you're right, there's not a lick of difference in the maturity level.
The 0bama WH is the Sitcom Presidency. Winning!
25 posted on 06/27/2012 2:32:53 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: kristinn; All

“... A spokesman for the House Oversight Committee sends along this response to the story:

Fortune’s story is a fantasy made up almost entirely from the accounts of individuals involved in the reckless tactics that took place in Operation Fast and Furious.  It contains factual errors — including the false statement that Chairman Issa has called for Attorney General Holder’s resignation — and multiple distortions. It also hides critical information from readers — including a report in the Wall Street Journal — indicating that its primary sources may be facing criminal charges. Congressional staff gave Fortune Magazine numerous examples of false statements made by the story’s primary source and the magazine did not dispute this information. It did not, however, explain this material to its readers. The one point of agreement the Committee has with this story is its emphasis on the role Justice Department prosecutors, not just ATF agents, played in guns being transferred to drug cartels in Mexico. The allegations made in the story have been examined and rejected by congressional Republicans, Democrats, and the Justice Department.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/304142/did-fast-and-furious-not-happen-robert-verbruggen


26 posted on 06/27/2012 3:27:01 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: kristinn

If being a partisan hack is a crime, we’d have to round up most of the media.


27 posted on 06/27/2012 3:35:01 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: HiJinx

Hell, I recently bought an EOTech sight and that is prohibited from being exported.


28 posted on 06/27/2012 3:49:42 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: HiJinx

Hell, I recently bought an EOTech sight and that is prohibited from being exported.


29 posted on 06/27/2012 3:49:53 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: kristinn
If they broke it into chapters, added a few dozen unnecessary side plots (lunch menus, description of the drive from Scottsdale to Paradise Valley prison to interview suspects, etc.):

And, if they made lead case agent, Hope MacAllister, 41,... tough, squared-away Phoenix veteran...
an uber hot late twenties blond to provide a romantic interest for Dave Voth, 39...Strapping and sandy-haired, the former Marine (and) outstanding law-enforcement employee of the year (and) the "hardest working federal agent I've come across...

Whoever penned this opus would have a decent novel, pure fantasy, but salable.

30 posted on 06/27/2012 4:01:36 PM PDT by norton
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To: Yosemitest

31 posted on 06/27/2012 7:54:10 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: prairiebreeze

marker


32 posted on 06/27/2012 8:03:27 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Don't be afraid to see what you see. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: pallis

If we guard the border, how will the Sinolas get the drugs to Chicago?


33 posted on 06/28/2012 12:32:25 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: rockinqsranch

I must protest giving any kind of credit for being a good liar.


34 posted on 06/28/2012 3:29:43 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: kristinn

This story and journalist is still getting play.

She was on WNYC (NPR in New York City) this morning.

http://www.wnyc.org/shows/bl/2012/jul/03/facts-fast-and-furious/


35 posted on 07/03/2012 9:52:44 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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