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German Court Makes Circumcision for Religious Reasons a Crime
Cybercast News Service (CNSNews.com) ^ | June 27, 2012 | Patrick Goodenough

Posted on 06/27/2012 10:55:11 AM PDT by Olog-hai

A German court has ruled that circumcising male infants for religious reasons, as Jews in particular have done for thousands of years, constitutes grievous bodily harm and is a crime, regardless of parental consent.

A public health specialist who is also a traditional Jewish circumciser called the ruling “stupid,” suggesting Wednesday that while “politically-correct modern liberal thinkers” would not be open to persuasion about Jewish values, they should at least consider studies finding wide-ranging health benefits from the procedure.

In a ruling bound to fuel a long-running debate over circumcision, a regional court in Cologne said Tuesday that the “fundamental right of the child to bodily integrity outweighed the fundamental rights of the parents.”

“A child’s body is irreparably and permanently changed by a circumcision,” German media outlets quoted the ruling as saying. “This change contravenes the interests of the child to decide later about his own religious affiliation.”

“The religious freedom of the parents and their right to educate their child would not be unacceptably compromised, if they were obliged to wait until the child could himself decide to be circumcised,” it said.

For Jews, however, circumcision of baby boys at eight days has been a key tenet of faith for some 4,000 years. Prescribed by God in Genesis 17, it symbolized that a person was in covenant with his Creator. …

The head of Germany’s Jewish Central Committee, Dieter Graumann, called the ruling an “outrageous and insensitive act.” …

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: circumcision

1 posted on 06/27/2012 10:55:17 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Perhaps Jews are not welcome in Germany...


2 posted on 06/27/2012 11:01:56 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Olog-hai

I love the lib hypocrisy of this quote: ‘A child’s body is irreparably and permanently changed by a circumcision,” German media outlets quoted the ruling as saying...’ This from POS libs that support the mass murder of children through their support of abortion.


3 posted on 06/27/2012 11:07:18 AM PDT by ABQHispConservative
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To: Olog-hai

I just went around with a pro-choice type about this. She’s anti-circumcision but pro-infanticide.

Logic fail...


4 posted on 06/27/2012 11:07:37 AM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: Olog-hai
Here we go again....
5 posted on 06/27/2012 11:09:45 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: TSgt
I just went around with a pro-choice type about this. She’s anti-circumcision but pro-infanticide. Logic fail...

Tell her it reduces the risk of AIDS

6 posted on 06/27/2012 11:09:51 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

She believes that boys have rights that should be protected but only after they’ve passed the cervix...


7 posted on 06/27/2012 11:11:41 AM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: Olog-hai

“It had no face, no personality.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH2Jg5soZig


8 posted on 06/27/2012 11:14:31 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: Olog-hai

I agree with the Jewish circumsizer.

This is stupid and only shows that Germans are still in out to get the Jews.


9 posted on 06/27/2012 11:15:21 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Izzy Dunne

Seven years ago, my son actually had to strong arm physicians to get his son circumcised here in the United States.

I doubt we’re far off from the same types of rulings here.

That being said, this is the very last area Germany should be addressing with their sterling history.

Anything that might touch on Jews by design, I would think the German government would use better common sense.


10 posted on 06/27/2012 11:16:11 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: Olog-hai
Protect foreskin, but not unborn children. Makes perfect sense to me.

“Hi, I'm a retarded liberal; I am pro-smegma and anti-life. I'll let you sort that one out.”

/s

11 posted on 06/27/2012 11:16:37 AM PDT by twister881
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To: Olog-hai

It won’t stop with this. They’ll find objections to other parts of the Mosaic Code.

Thinking along the same lines as Antiochus Epiphanes around 168 BC.


12 posted on 06/27/2012 11:22:43 AM PDT by bereanway
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To: Olog-hai

Muslims exempted?


13 posted on 06/27/2012 11:25:00 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

I don’t believe so.


14 posted on 06/27/2012 11:26:49 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

plus the doctors were complaining that they shouldn’t have to work for tips.


15 posted on 06/27/2012 11:30:43 AM PDT by stylin19a (Obama - The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Could be that Jews are not welcome in Germany, but I will bet this is aimed at Muslims, for they require circumcision also.


16 posted on 06/27/2012 11:33:52 AM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: Olog-hai

Ummmmm, Christians also circumcise their infants, too. Germany, wtf?


17 posted on 06/27/2012 11:35:04 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Olog-hai

Germany is whacked. Are too many boys there being named “Nick” or something?


18 posted on 06/27/2012 11:37:12 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Olog-hai

Keep the government away from my foreskin!


19 posted on 06/27/2012 11:37:44 AM PDT by Gamecock (I worked out with a dumbbell yesterday and I feel vigorous!)
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To: Olog-hai

And so it begins

lest we forget

lest we forget


20 posted on 06/27/2012 11:47:51 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Secret Agent Man
Ummmmm, Christians also circumcise their infants, too. Germany

Actually the USA is about the only place in the world where large numbers of Christians circumcise infants. In Europe, Gentiles do not (and never have) circumcised. One reason why identifying Jewish men 70+ years ago there was very easy.

I do not know what Muslim practice is, does anyone know?

21 posted on 06/27/2012 12:12:08 PM PDT by AnalogReigns (reality is analog, not digital...)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Way to make Germany Judenrein again. Why didn’t Hitler think of this?


22 posted on 06/27/2012 12:13:29 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: TSgt

So doctors need to perform circumcisions on boys in utero, and then this gal would be fine with it?


23 posted on 06/27/2012 12:17:50 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: AnalogReigns

Seems to vary with Muslims. I read that some Hadiths cite circumcision on the seventh day after birth (which is one day earlier than Jews), and some at age 14 (most likely derived from Ishmael, who was circumcised at age 13).


24 posted on 06/27/2012 12:18:11 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: kabumpo
If they had gotten the bomb back then, they might have made the world Menschenrein.
25 posted on 06/27/2012 12:20:43 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: ABQHispConservative

I trust that they have also outlawed parents having their children’s ears pierced or body tattooed before the child reaches legal age of consent, based on the same reasoning?


26 posted on 06/27/2012 12:24:29 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Olog-hai

Abortion must be illegal in a nation so concerned with the welfare of children, right?


27 posted on 06/27/2012 12:29:29 PM PDT by wizwor
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To: Olog-hai

They will be. Muslims will go on a rampage the moment the first one is arrested for this.


28 posted on 06/27/2012 12:36:07 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: AnalogReigns
I do not know what Muslim practice is, does anyone know?

Something to do with also being children of Abraham...

29 posted on 06/27/2012 12:37:36 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: jonno

Ishmael was circumcized at 14 or whatever it was.

Arabs have done so ever since, muslim or no.


30 posted on 06/27/2012 1:26:49 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
“Perhaps Jews are not welcome in Germany...”

Too true, but the bright side is that the Euro-trash socialists replaced the Jews killed during WW II with lots of Muslims.

Wait until MadMo’s drooling followers hear that the kufer Eurotrash have banned circumcision. Let the riots and ‘neck cuttings begin”

31 posted on 06/27/2012 1:34:15 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: onedoug

Nope, this case came to the German court as the result of a circumcision performed on an infant belonging to Muslim parents.


32 posted on 06/27/2012 1:48:45 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: TSgt

So, we need to invent a procedure to circumcise the kid while he is still in the birth canal. That way, it’s the mother’s choice!


33 posted on 06/27/2012 2:57:27 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman; butterdezillion

Exactly!

Isn’t liberal logic grand? :)


34 posted on 06/27/2012 3:08:09 PM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: TSgt

I’m sure she’s perfectly fine with the people walking around without arms or legs because they were cut off in a failed abortion...

I wonder if she thinks a child who survived a late abortion should be given back into custody of the mother who tried to abort the child. The child is beyond the cervix so has some rights at that point (according to her logic); would this gal see any safety issues in the child being under the sole care of someone who tried to kill him just a short time ago?


35 posted on 06/27/2012 3:16:49 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Let’s not forget those nasty, use a rusty knife type female circumcisions as well....


36 posted on 06/27/2012 5:12:48 PM PDT by Engedi
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To: Engedi

I could see banning those - and particularly if done against the girl’s will. It’s a totally different situation than male circumcision though, because FGM would make it painful for a woman to have sex, for the rest of her life. It serves no medical purpose and it only harms. It harms the woman because it steals one of the few joys of life that a Muslim woman would otherwise be allowed to have, and it harms her husband because he never gets to know what it’s like to be a REAL man, whose joy is to please and serve another rather than simply use her as an inflate-a-doll.

But that’s the difference between the Lord and the demon the Muslims worship: the Lord gives abundant life, whereas the thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy.


37 posted on 06/27/2012 5:32:03 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Melas

Thanks for the info. I sense trouble afoot.

I think any Jew who would purposely live in Germany, or anywhere in Europe for that metter, is crazy. But then, there are a lot of crazy, i.e., lefty, Jews in this country too.


38 posted on 06/27/2012 5:38:13 PM PDT by onedoug
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