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Vanity, On the Eve: What's the Future If ObamaCare Survives?
6/27/12 | dagogo redux

Posted on 06/27/2012 9:13:14 PM PDT by dagogo redux

I'm curious: with what may be our country's most important Supreme Court decision due tomorrow, what do all you fellow Freepers see as our collective, national future - and your personal future - if ObamaCare is left intact?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; future; obamacare; vanity; zerocare
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1 posted on 06/27/2012 9:13:22 PM PDT by dagogo redux
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To: dagogo redux
Win or lose there is no future. We crossed the Rubicon on Monday. The Constitution is a meaningless document.

Turn out the lights.

2 posted on 06/27/2012 9:14:42 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Virgil Goode! Because everyone else is Bad!)
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To: dagogo redux

Higher taxes, rationed medical care, I die younger than I should have.


3 posted on 06/27/2012 9:15:54 PM PDT by LOC1 (Let's pick the best, not settle for a compromise.)
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To: dagogo redux

I don’t think it would be the big boost Obama will surely crow about it being. I think it will hang a big stink on his administration, as the issue becomes politically live again. And the GOP will get energized. Mitt will doubtless reiterate his promise to excuse all 50 states from it on the day of his inauguration. Polls will leap at least 5 points Romney.


4 posted on 06/27/2012 9:16:12 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: dagogo redux

I’m afraid if Obamacare is allowed to stand we will have to face the fact that we already have the liberal court that we fear could materialize in the next for years.


5 posted on 06/27/2012 9:16:49 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." Hussein Obama, Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009)
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To: dagogo redux

I expect to get a letter from Obama demanding I buy a GM car.


7 posted on 06/27/2012 9:17:24 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: dagogo redux

I’m afraid we will be screwed.
IF the Individual mandate goes down they lose their funding Mechanism but that doesn’t kill the bill.

Lord knows how they will fund it, but I fear we will be stuck with it.

They’ve already hired a bung of goobermint ahole’s that have to be paid.


8 posted on 06/27/2012 9:17:37 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Graewoulf

The USSC didn’t even touch one more constitutional option Arizona has: wage WAR on the illegales.


9 posted on 06/27/2012 9:17:56 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: Graewoulf

once was enough


10 posted on 06/27/2012 9:18:17 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: mylife

Congress has killed things by defunding in the past.


11 posted on 06/27/2012 9:18:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: dagogo redux
The future was years ago. This is it. This is what it looks like. Constant roiling punctuated with nauseating atrocities.

12 posted on 06/27/2012 9:19:34 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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bung= bunch


13 posted on 06/27/2012 9:19:48 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Cross your fingers.


14 posted on 06/27/2012 9:20:36 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
bung= bunch

I was wondering what in the heck bung meant. :-)

15 posted on 06/27/2012 9:21:17 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." Hussein Obama, Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009)
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To: South40

Keyboard needs replacement.


16 posted on 06/27/2012 9:23:11 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: dagogo redux

We hang it around every Democrats neck until they are defeated.

The left always talks about legislation passed mostly by republicans as not being representative of the country.

This POS was passed ONLY by democrats, and they had to rig things in the senate to do it. Let this drag every single stinking democrat down to the fires of hell.

Whether it stands or falls tomorrow. Take the democrats down for forcing the entire country to have to deal with their bullsh!t the last two years. And forcing 26 states to have to stop fedgov from usurping powers it never had.


17 posted on 06/27/2012 9:23:11 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Don’t sugar coat it, SAM.


18 posted on 06/27/2012 9:25:23 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
Ahhh.

I thought it might have been a PEBKAU. :-)

19 posted on 06/27/2012 9:26:15 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." Hussein Obama, Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009)
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To: dagogo redux

We live in an interesting time.


20 posted on 06/27/2012 9:27:21 PM PDT by seton89 (Forward! to despotism.)
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To: dagogo redux

If Obamacare stands, the government will be free to interfer in every aspect of our lives. Health stems from what we eat, what we drink, where we live, where we work, how we exercise, what we think (mental heaalth), if we smoke, etc.

If it stands, America the Free is over.


21 posted on 06/27/2012 9:27:32 PM PDT by super7man
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To: South40

I type with fists and The characters are worn the heck off.

That makes for PEBKAU.


22 posted on 06/27/2012 9:29:18 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Graewoulf

Calling for Constitutional Conventions is completely crazy and insane.

It won’t work in our favor at all.


23 posted on 06/27/2012 9:29:29 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: dagogo redux

Prudence, indeed, will dictate


24 posted on 06/27/2012 9:29:52 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Another option comes to mind too.

Since citizens have more rights and less restrictions than do sworn officers of the law, why not have massive Citizens Arrests of ANYONE they suspect of breaking our Sacred Federal Immigration Laws?

What would Wyatt Earp do?


25 posted on 06/27/2012 9:30:44 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Congress hasn’t funded anything in years. obama and Reid simply write checks.


26 posted on 06/27/2012 9:31:52 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: mylife

lol!


27 posted on 06/27/2012 9:32:19 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." Hussein Obama, Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009)
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To: Graewoulf; xzins
Let us build a more perfect Union! Long live the Second Republic of TEXAS!

What Texas should do is to Petition the Federal Government to cede Texas back to Mexico. I think maybe Nevada, Arizona and Utah should join in the request. Then if it were to actually happen Texans and other patriotic Americans could start a Civil War and declare their independence from Mexico and then re-fight the Texas war of independence and the Mexican American war and start a new country and adopt the Original constitution of the US and maybe then we might have a Constitutional Republic.

Washington effectively wants to effectively give Texas and Arizona (and every other flyover Red State) back to Mexico so let's challenge them to do it.

28 posted on 06/27/2012 9:33:27 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Virgil Goode! Because everyone else is Bad!)
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To: Kansas58

A 38 state plurality will not be found for any screaming liberal item. Not one.


29 posted on 06/27/2012 9:33:52 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: Terry Mross

Good point.


30 posted on 06/27/2012 9:34:41 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: dagogo redux
To answer, I'll quote ol' Sultan Knish in his column tonight.

"We can't depend on the Supreme Court to do the right thing, though it can occasionally be an important ally in the struggle to restore the Constitution, the rule of law and the rights of the individual. The ball is not in their court, it is in ours."

and...

"Many of the modern violations of our rights went through this process, losing a Supreme Court decision and then finding another way through the door. Once the policy apparatus has agreed on something, the mere objection that it is against the law will not halt them for long. The only way to stop the machine is to break the machine. To tear out its levers and gears, to fill it with sand, spill out its oil and turn it to grind uselessly facing a wall."

You can figure out the rest...

31 posted on 06/27/2012 9:36:14 PM PDT by Prospero
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To: Secret Agent Man
"I expect to get a letter from Obama demanding I buy a GM car."

...for someone else.

32 posted on 06/27/2012 9:40:28 PM PDT by norton
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To: P-Marlowe
We crossed the Rubicon on Monday. The Constitution is a meaningless document.

I was I could say you're wrong. But I cannot.

33 posted on 06/27/2012 9:42:25 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: dagogo redux

THE FUTURE OF OBAMACARE!
34 posted on 06/27/2012 9:46:31 PM PDT by AZ.CONSERVATIVE.PATRIOT77
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To: Graewoulf

Well thought out. The only problem being everyone with any smarts would leave California and overburden other more desirable regions. Me for one! Then we’d end up with good regions which would become overpopulated, and bad regions which would become modern day badlands??? We’d end up with half a dozen borders, passports, etc.


35 posted on 06/27/2012 9:46:38 PM PDT by kiltie65 (ui)
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To: dagogo redux

I suppose many will go Galt and stop feeding the beast.


36 posted on 06/27/2012 9:46:56 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: P-Marlowe
All I can say is that the rubicon was crossed the moment Hawaii refused to confirm Obama as constitutionally eligible and Nancy Pelosi signed her name on the documents without verifying what HI was unable to do and then no elected official on either side ever questioned it.

That's where the rubicon was crossed and the envelope's been pushed ever since.

Can't be picking and choosing which parts of the Constitution are meaningless because when we do someone will eventually pick one part we hold dearly and consider that meaningless too.

In the beginning I never really thought Obama was born outside of the country or that he was hiding anything regarding his eligibility. I figured he wanted to prove to America that the Constitution no longer matters. And that he has done.

After having watched this man govern, I have concluded he cannot be a real American.

37 posted on 06/27/2012 9:50:52 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: dagogo redux

Slavery.


38 posted on 06/27/2012 9:54:04 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: All

Lots of old denizens and heavy hitters checking it! Thanks for all your comments so far.


39 posted on 06/27/2012 9:54:12 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: dagogo redux

OK-file this under “just kidding” but I suggest we take a page from the jihadis’ book and start chopping heads.


40 posted on 06/27/2012 9:56:30 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: Graewoulf

The Civil War brought us the 14th Amendment which binds the extension of equal protection and due process of law upon the States themselves individually.

Before the 14th the Bill of Rights was viewed as protecting citizens Only from incursions upon those rights by the Federal Government.

14th was ratified in 1868 and since then Every SCOTUS has dodged the issue of incorporating under the 14th and making binding upon the States the protections of the 2nd and 7th Amendments. Hence, Over 22,000 infringements on the 2nd’s shall not be infringed.

SCOTUS needs to begin embodying its true Constitutional function and quit ducking the tough and extremely unpopular, (among the political class) calls on What is directly violative of the Founders Intent, and written expressions of their Intent.

Even if SCOTUS tosses the whole O’care thing, wild celebration is uncalled for. We are headed for the brick wall. Repealing it in toto only removes the latest brick off of the pile of them already weighting down the gas pedal.


41 posted on 06/27/2012 9:58:00 PM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: dagogo redux

There is only one potential favorable, which would be decreased age discrimination in hiring and retention. This is greatly outweighed by the negatives, however. One topic that is rarely touched upon would be the very likely introduction of racial and gender beancounting as far as attempting to manage the statistics. Some will receive extensive care and others less so, for the same condition. Look only to education and hiring practices to see this aspect of the future under Obamacare.


42 posted on 06/27/2012 10:02:56 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: super7man

But every Merkan will get free 2way satellite TV. 1984 channels.


43 posted on 06/27/2012 10:07:21 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Secret Agent Man
I expect to get a letter from Obama demanding I buy a GM car.

You mean a new mandate that every garage must include at least one car made by Government Motors?

Don't laugh, my company's collaborator outfit from India, HMT, had won just such a mandate. Before any outfit could buy a metal forming machine in India, they were required by law to ask HMT if they could manufacture their machine. Only if HMT was unable to manufacture it, then they could buy it from others. HMT (Hindustan Machine Tools) was of course a government owned and run outfit in Bangalore.
44 posted on 06/27/2012 10:07:47 PM PDT by entropy12 (Hate is the most insidious emotion, it will rot your gut from the inside.)
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To: entropy12

I am not laughing. If they can force us to buy ONE thing, they can force us to buy ANYTHING.


45 posted on 06/27/2012 10:14:58 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: dagogo redux
and your personal future - if ObamaCare is left intact?

It's my line in the sand. That's what I decided when I first heard of it.. Maybe I can get a cell near Ann Barnhardt, and we can rant all day.

46 posted on 06/27/2012 10:18:10 PM PDT by sockmonkey (I will vote for Romney to get Obama out of the White House..)
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To: dagogo redux

47 posted on 06/27/2012 10:19:56 PM PDT by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: jocon307

You’re not kidding and that’s ok.


48 posted on 06/27/2012 10:22:11 PM PDT by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: dagogo redux
If the bill left intact we will have to begin a new amendment to redefine the commerce clause.

If only the mandate is taken out, we will be left with a crippled bill that must be reversed by a republican majority in both houses and the presidency in November.

49 posted on 06/27/2012 10:24:00 PM PDT by oldbrowser (Blue state sickness must not be rewarded)
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To: super7man

Total shutdown and resistance against the beginning of the Forced Labor Camp, U.S. Territory.


50 posted on 06/27/2012 10:24:27 PM PDT by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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