Retaining Harder than Declaring Our Independence

Townhall.com ^ | June 28, 2012 | Jackie Gingrich Cushman

[Pollster1]

“Well, Doctor (Ben Franklin), what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”
“A Republic, if you can keep it.”

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” - Thomas Jefferson

The Founding Fathers were right even in their predictions for the future.

[Candor7]

Its simple really.We just follow the same format and declare iourselves independent from the nationalist socialists led by Obama.Obama BTW is guilty of many of the
same crimes, and similar ones, as perpetrated by George III against the People.

[count-your-change]

That’s already been tried, it was called the Civil War. The right to alter or abolish a form of government is the right of the winner of a conflict.

[Bob Buchholz]

If at first you don’t succeed.........

[Conservative Vermont Vet]

Though it is disputed whether George Washington was the author (or even uttered these words, though I'd like to believe it is something he would have said) of the following, I nevertheless subscribe thereto:

"I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees!"

[phockthis]

sfl

[SampleMan]

The 17th amendment and the abuse of the commerce clause have ripped the Republic to shreds.

[X-spurt]

The only thing more difficult now than what they faced when declaring independence from King George is how to maintain our liberty without necessity for a second armed revolt.

Our test comes from how insistant and successful the liberal/socialists prove to be in playing the Constitution against itself. In the past the “progressives” have not been willing to push hard enough or far enough to reignite a revolt similar to 1776. I’m betting that up against our holding steadfast and resolute they will slink back into the shadows again to plot further.

[An American!]

The Constitution’s Article I, Section 8, paragraph 3 gives Congress authority “To regulate Commerce with Foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes.”

James Madison, the father of our Constitution, explained, “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite.”

U.S. Supreme Court ruling in Wickard v. Filburn. Mr. Filburn was a small farmer in Ohio. The Department of Agriculture had set production quotas. Mr. Filburn harvested nearly 12 acres of wheat above his government allotment. He argued that the excess wheat was unrelated to commerce since he grew it for his own use. He was fined anyway. The Court reasoned that had he not grown the extra wheat he would have had to purchase wheat; therefore, he was indirectly affecting interstate commerce.

So here we are today with the largess of federal control trumping every freedom and right reserved to the State and the People.

[Wurlitzer]

“That’s already been tried, it was called the Civil War. The right to alter or abolish a form of government is the right of the winner of a conflict”

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Certainly could be “tried” again. Sort of if at first you don’t succeed (or secede) try, try again.

We need a divorce:
Half of the country wants to live off of the other half. Half of the country thinks it is the moral high ground to kill the unborn. Half of the country believes in a political philosophy that has failed every time it has been tried and usually with millions of casualties.
Half the country disagrees with the founders brilliance of limited government. Half the country claims to support the troops while with every move they undermine them.

These are not minor differences which can be reconciled by 1 or more elections. Out public schools have done the work described in the communist manifesto and have succeed in creating that half of the population at complete odds with the founders.

I want a divorce. Lets split it up. Give us the producers. Give us those who believe in very limited government. Give us the military.

We, again thanks to our public schools, have irreconcilable differences which can only be resolved by a divorce.

[Candor7]

We may have to do it again, which is the point made.

[HMS Surprise]

Another important question> Are we more free now than we were before the Revolution? I would say no, and it’s not even close. And that begs another question> If there had never been a revolution, would we be in better or worse shape now? Was the only point of the Revolution to hang a shingle with stars and stripes? Can anyone argue with a straight face that self-determination has given us more freedom than the average Englishman enjoys today? I don’t trust my fellow Americans to preserve my rights anymore.

[Dysart]

IMO, the fundamental problem is there is no “our” anymore. IOW, no diverse but cohesive peoples who place their greater sense of country ahead of personal gain or interest; only fragmented and selfish identity collectives pursuing distinct domination goals.

[Candor7]

I don’t trust my fellow Americans to preserve my rights anymore.>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Ditto. The fact is that its every man for himself at this point, and to do that you have to know the constitution and its associated law.

[count-your-change]

Revolutions inevitably fail as the new regime becomes just as oppressive as what it replaced.

[Wurlitzer]

“Revolutions inevitably fail as the new regime becomes just as oppressive as what it replaced.”

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While recorded history tends to prove this, at least there was a period of time when this country followed the concept of limited government as set forth by the founders.

They gave us the escape clause and it is on our shoulders to use it or lose it.

Governments are always power hungry and just as Lord Acton said; “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

We have reached our absolute power point with our federal government and many state governments. There can be no dispute that the founders gave us a constitution to retain a limited government and for whatever reason we the people have allowed the government to exceed its constitutional limits.

Decades of public education have given this country millions of spineless parasites which have made generations who live off the productivity of others.

If we ended public education in its current form today it would take generations to repair the damage. We do not have generations as the Marxist communist filth are at the door, they are running the country and IMO they have pushed far enough to trigger the Jefferson escape plan.

[jospehm20]

Right on. It looks like it is time to try again.

[count-your-change]

“Governments are always power hungry and just as Lord Acton said; “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

Acton was a supporter of the South and its cause as few are today due to the incessant propaganda and ignorance of history.

“There can be no dispute that the founders gave us a constitution to retain a limited government and for whatever reason we the people have allowed the government to exceed its constitutional limits.”

They, being keen students of history and without illusions about human nature, realized that any document however lofty its sentiments, always depended upon a moral and self regulating citizenry.

That we don't have. Instead we have a population that collectively is in the grip of an infantile fantasy where they can have what they want without consequence.

Hundreds of tons of drugs are snorted, injected, swallowed, smoked and huffed by the same population that supposedly is going to govern itself. and on and on.

So why should there be a revolution when the majority have what they want?

[Wurlitzer]

“So why should there be a revolution when the majority have what they want?”

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That is not the case. In Health Care over a majority DO NOT WANT THIS.

This country is almost 50/50 when compared with what the founders intended. The media, given their loud megaphone or being able to buy ink by the tanker load make it sound like most Americans want to live like parasites.

I do not believe for a moment that the left represents more than 50% of the country but what I do believe to my very core is that these position are diametrically opposed and no number of elections will ever resolve the issue.

Should we as a free people (questionable) decide to split and go our separate ways I would make sure we never create public schools with commie teacher’s unions and simply allow vouchers so parents have some control of what is being taught to their children. We cannot afford to have communists continue to teach our kids and just sit back and HOPE the kids reject such stupidity.

I want nothing to do with the left. They are vile human beings who absolutely have to use Saul Alinsky tactics to debate anything as the truth would destroy their position from the get go.