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Posted on 06/28/2012 7:29:13 AM PDT by for-q-clinton
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What is there to analyze....HE VOTED WITH KAGAN ON THIS!!!!
Question. Didn’t SCOTUS declare part of the law unconstitutional medicaid? If they didn’t address the severability issue, then by declaring part of it void, didn’t they void the whole thing? What am I missing here?
I’ve been in the fight against 0 and MR from day one.
Like I said, not a spit’s worth of difference between the 2.
Congress is key, take it back.
“I think that you are a cynical quitter because you are gutless and lazy and selfish.”
And I love you too, Yam.
To repeal Obamacare over an Obama veto requires 67 Senators.
To repeal Obamacare with Romney willing to sign requires 51 Senators.
One is possible. The other is not.
And Kagan voted it was unconstitutional per the Commerce clause
As if that means jack squat.
Dear RedState Reader,
As you have no doubt heard by now, the Supreme Court largely upheld Obamacare with Chief Justice John Roberts writing the majority 5 to 4 decision. Even Justice Kennedy called for the whole law to be thrown out, but John Roberts saved it.
Having gone through the opinion, I am not going to beat up on John Roberts. I am disappointed, but I want to make a few points. John Roberts is playing at a different game than the rest of us. Were on poker. Hes on chess.
First, I get the strong sense from a few anecdotal stories about Roberts over the past few months and the way he has written this opinion that he very, very much was concerned about keeping the Supreme Court above the partisan fray and damaging the reputation of the Court long term. It seems to me the left was smart to make a full frontal assault on the Court as it persuaded Roberts.
Second, in writing his opinion, Roberts forces everyone to deal with the issue as a political, not a legal issue. In the past twenty years, Republicans have punted a number of issues to the Supreme Court asking the Court to save us from ourselves. They cant do that with Roberts. They tried with McCain-Feingold, which was originally upheld. This case is a timely reminder to the GOP that five votes are not a sure thing.
Third, while Roberts has expanded the taxation power, which I dont really think is a massive expansion from what it was, Roberts has curtailed the commerce clause as an avenue for Congressional overreach. In so doing, he has affirmed the Democrats are massive taxers. In fact, I would argue that this may prevent future mandates in that no one is going to go around campaigning on new massive tax increases. On the upside, I guess we can tax the hell out of abortion now. Likewise, in a 7 to 2 decision, the Court shows a strong majority still recognize the concept of federalism and the restrains of Congress in forcing states to adhere to the whims of the federal government.
Fourth, in forcing us to deal with this politically, the Democrats are going to have a hard time running to November claiming the American people need to vote for them to preserve Obamacare. It remains deeply, deeply unpopular with the American people. If they want to make a vote for them a vote for keeping a massive tax increase, let them try.
Fifth, the decision totally removes a growing left-wing talking point that suddenly they must vote for Obama because of judges. The Supreme Court as a November issue for the left is gone. For the right? That sound you hear is the marching of libertarians into Camp Romney, with noses held, knowing that the libertarian and conservative coalitions must unite to defeat Obama and Obamacare.
Finally, while I am not down on John Roberts like many of you are today, i will be very down on Congressional Republicans if they do not now try to shut down the individual mandate. Force the Democrats on the record about the mandate. Defund Obamacare. This now, by necessity, is a political fight and the GOP sure as hell should fight.
60% of Americans agree with them on the issue. And guess what? The Democrats have been saying for a while that individual pieces of Obamacare are quite popular. With John Roberts opinion, the repeal fight takes place on GOP turf, not Democrat turf. The all or nothing repeal has always been better ground for the GOP and now John Roberts has forced everyone onto that ground.
It seems very, very clear to me in reviewing John Roberts decision that he is playing a much longer game than us and can afford to with a life tenure. And he probably just handed Mitt Romney the White House.
*A friend points out one other thing go back to 2009. Olympia Snowe was the deciding vote to get Obamacare out of the Senate Committee. Had she voted no, wed not be here now.
Good question. I think they just make it up as they go.
You call me a name and then say that I am the one who is too stupid to participate?
Fred Thompson is a useless idiot.
It’s kind of funny how in his various commericals it looks like his nads are hooked up to electrodes that someone sends a shock through every two seconds to make him randomly convulse so he doesn’t look like a talking corpse...
Show me a guy who posts idiotic garbage and then sobs like a little girl when someone points this out, and I’ll show you a guy who posts idiotic garbage.
Sorry, this was not going through and I kept refreshing and then you see what happened! So sorry about all the posts.
If this thing stands past 2013, it stands forever. Once this thing goes live it will never die...until the country goes belly up. We cant get 67 seats in the Senate before this thing goes into effect, and its highly unlikely we’d get them at all.
Romney says he will repeal it. Now, Romney may be a liar. I’m not being smart about that. Its a distinct possibility. I dont think he’s a conservative. He may be lying every time he opens his mouth. He may get in office and immediately endorse Obamacare, and sign a bill to accelerate funding. Hell, he may put his hand on a copy of the ACA to take the oath of office, and pledge to defend and protect Elena Kagan. To those of you who make your main point that you dont believe Romney, I can not give you any concrete evidence that you are wrong.
But I take Obama at his word. He will not repeal it. He will fight any and all efforts to repeal it by any means that he can, and to advance it and the government control of healthcare at every turn. I Challenge anyone on this board to dispute this point. If Obama wins, there is no doubt that Obamacare stands. I KNOW what Obama is, and that he isn’t lying.
If you have, to this point, sworn that you wont vote for Romney, I ask you respectfully to reconsider. We can’t take this one back. We dont get a do over. There is no live to fight another day on universal health care. If you will not reconsider, I wont call you names and if you choose to call me some, well, again I can’t stop you. I wont care, but I wont reciprocate.
Again, Romney may be a liar. But Obama is certainly telling you the truth. If you take a knee on this one, then understand that Obamacare is a part of your future, and your children’s and grandchildren’s future...forever. As always, vote your conscience.
It was all us Conservatives who wanted Roberts.
Rush Levin Ingram all wanted Miers out,
She would not have done this.
Post #13 is Righton!
It’s now time for all to support Romney to save America!
Exactly. It's time for choosing. Romney or Obama. One of them will be POTUS next year and not supporting one of them is to stand for nothing.
There are Americans buried around the world who gave us these rights Obama wants to take away. We owe it to them to to stand our ground and not be cheese eating surrender monkeys in this dark hour.