Skip to comments.What Did SCOTUS Just Do?
Posted on 06/28/2012 9:50:50 AM PDT by Resettozero
Was today's Supreme Court Obamacare decision a win for conservatives or a loss? It depends on what you were rooting for.
If you were above all interested in the bill being struck down, it was mostly a loss. On the other hand, if you were more concerned about the qualitative expansion in the power of the government that the bill represented, it was definitely a win.
First, the Roberts Court put real limits on what the government can and cannot do. For starters, it restricted the limits of the Commerce Clause, which does not give the government the power to create activity for the purpose of regulating it. This is a huge victory for those of us who believe that the Constitution is a document which offers a limited grant of power.
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Dread pirate Roberts just upheld government tyranny and power. Look at the taxes Roberts said were ok.
This decision says that the government can compel you to do anything, as long as it makes the penalty for non-compliance a tax.
There is no victory here, no silver lining. The court has affirmed what they began with in Kelo -- to remind us that we are nothing but serfs who don't actually own property but must do whatever the government orders us to do.
No, it doesn't.
Jay Cost is a moron. We lost. We lost big. The whole country lost.
Did the commerce clause get a real bonk on the nose? I’ll believe it when Uncle Sam can only “tax” against things like locally grown marijuana (which I do not recommend that anybody smoke except for possible bona fide medicinal use, but as a test case in point).
Personally I think they solidified the GOP hold on the house and guaranteed GOP control of the senate.
The SC said the federal government can order us to do anything they please as long as they call it a tax, even though they don’t call it a tax. Confused?
Well, this is an echo of how Social Security was sold to the USSC. It’s a tax, mon!
Our forefathers overthrew a king now it's our turn -- and we have a two-hundred-plus-year tradition of elections to overthrow this clown king peacefully.
Uh,...exactly where/how did the the SC limit any of the law? You must have to go through a law school to have this little sense. It’s like they called a cat a rabbit, therefore it is, so don’t worry about it being a cat because cat’s aren’t allowed.
This clown is dillusional. When the court can simply change the word penalty to tax and say the government is restricted, there are no restrictions. Liberals change the meaning of words all the time to fit an agenda.
This author is in la-la land riding unicorns through rainbows whilst smoking wacky-weed and sniffing pixy dust.
They didn’t just not call it a tax, they said it was not a tax.
Roberts is W Bush’s spawn. W Bush made Obama and Obamacare possible, and Roberts finalized it.
They can pass a law that you must kill grandma or will be penalized $100,000. That’s perfectly okay with Roberts, the statist.
It won't matter unless Obama is defeated in November. He has been moving heaven and earth to make Congress a ceremonial body and has already established many ways to raise and spend money without Congressional authorization. He is now legitimizing millions of illegal aliens and will give them work permits while preventing states from purging and protecting the voting rolls. You can bet that these illegals will be registered to vote and will vote as many times as physically possible.
This decision reaffirms the goverment’s ability to coerce / dictate individual behavior by tax policy. Hurray, hurray what a wonderful victory for conservative principles.
Personally I think they solidified the GOP hold on the house and guaranteed GOP control of the senate.”
While that is true, the only way to get rid of obamacare is to get 60 in the senate. I don’t think that is likely.
Cost is a MORON.
They took a not surprising course and kicked the matter back into the hands of the voters.
The showdown is in November.
This decision continues the process of dissolving the States and says, in effect, that the People and the States have no powers which the central government is bound to honor or respect.
It certainly, in effect, repeals the ninth and tenth amendments.
It can be defunded and a new health care law passed through reconciliation.
The lesson here: If you want something done, do it yourself.
Don’t expect the SCOTUS to pull our political chestnuts out of the fire. Don’t even trust them to pull our constitutional chestnuts out of the fire. The libs have relied on the court to do for them what they could not do through the political branches. I think the long term political tide is against them, and this tactic will ultimately fail them, as it has failed us today.
At the end of the day, O-care will stand or fall, based on the actions of the political branches of gov’t.
Therefore, we need to be loud, support candidates that support liberty and limited gov’t, vote, and convince others to vote. No RINO’s. All of our elected officials need to hear explicitly and loudly from us. We must contribute and support those who are true conservatives.
For those “Doom and Gloomers” who’ve been predicting a ‘Second Amendment Solution’ to government intrusion into our lives... the timetable has moved forward.
Let us pray they’re wrong.
“Personally I think they solidified the GOP hold on the house and guaranteed GOP control of the senate.”
Doesn’t matter. Even if the GOP turns conservative and reverses Obamacare, any future administration/congress can use today’s ruling to compel citizens to do whatever they mandate. There is no longer a limited government, no longer any freedom of choice.
The constitution died today.
Yes lets put a happy face on the acts of a tyrant! * Sarcasm*
Because Roberts threw a few ultimately meaningless bones we should not take that silver and leave. He riped the heart of our freedom away. He declared government may tax inaction and in doing so made us slaves.
Roberts is a traitor to liberty and the Constitution and no man can be free until he is removed.
Real conservatives need to stop listening to psychobabble from PhonyCon pubs like Weakly Standard
America was pretty much neutered today, led by a Chief Justice who was appointed by a FraudCon Bush II and pushed by a FraudCon GOP senate.
No more whiny psychobable...time to pee or get off the pot. There needs to be some serious action from Real Conservatives to start fixing this nation
Just made it legal for them to tax us for not buying something.
Just made it legal for them to tax us for not buying something.
Huh? They can now mandate any freaking activity they want and tax you if you don't comply.
” Eat 5 pounds of spinach a week, or pay a $1,000.00 tax.”
“Buy a exploding golf cart, or pay a $10,000.00 tax.”
Etc Etc Etc...
True, but worse yet, it says the government can lie about it being a tax in the written law, say it's not, and because it could be a tax, it's OK.
Social Security was at least honest in the written law, SS was a TAX paid to the government. True, it was publicized as a retirement contract, but there was no lie in the actual law.
Here Roberts requires citizens to purchase a product from a private business or go to prison.
A government BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE just died. :(
They did us a favor even though I did not ask for it. The FEDS can tax you into oblivion. Sort of knew that. Know it for sure now. I, for one, think we just won 2012. We shall see. I not, then the America as founded is over.
“Roberts is W Bushs spawn.”
Yes, like many other issues, this ruling is “Bush’s Fault!” And in a larger sense, we are where we are today thanks to George W. Bush and to a lesser extent, his worthless father. I sit here in wonderment, reading various “conservative pundits” who are in the process of blowing smoke up our collective asses saying this is a “victory” for the right. John Roberts is just what several have labeled him, a Benedict Arnold.
We now need to pass a new constitutional amendment, to reverse this horrible precedent created today by the Roberts’ Court, making it clear that Fedzilla cannot tax us in this manner.
Congress (by way of our electorate) got us into this mess...
Roberts now ranks with Roger Taney as being the most gutless coward ever to hold office. Taney’s decision directly led to the Civil War. Roberts decision will do the same. In one fell swoop, he overthrew the Constitution and our republican form of government.
Any pretense to upholding the Constitution - AS HE SWORE TO DO - is gone. Any pretense that the federal government is subject to the will of the people is a monstrous joke. My personal feeling is the the court’s opinion and Roberts can go straight to the Mammon’s home. I REFUSE TO OBEY.
Social Security is a tax on WORKERS. If you don’t work, you don’t pay SS. For SS to be the same as Obamacare, then you would have to tax non-workers.
They also made it an absolute certainty that O'Bungsuck will be swept out of our White House like the pile of putrid, stinking waste that he is. This has just gone from a touch-and-go election with the potential for minimal voter fraud swaying the outcome to a trembling, quaking landslide of previously unheard-of mandate majority.
A margin of victory way too big for even massive voter fraud to outweigh the natural outcome.
Obama, and The Obamacare Middle Class Income Tax, are done for. Yes, Chief Justice Roberts is a gutless dirtbag, an even bigger conservative disappointment than Justice Souterbut he just handed Conservatives both Houses of Congress and the White House come this November.
On the bright side, Chief Justice Roberts will be recorded in the history books as the biggest traitor to the Conservative Cause ever. I urinate on his vile name. What a despicable spineless eunuch.
Obamacare as is has provisions for not taxing the unemployed and indigent.
Taxing non workers could be tricky.
I would include the WH.
It is impossible to effectively tax the drug pot, if it is legalized.
I suggest we enact legislation that if you do not purchase products from Koch Industries, you will be taxed.
Boehner needs to be the first to go
Well yes and no. The secession that led into the Civil War wasn’t precipitated by high dudgeon about whether or not keeping slaves was okay. However the curse of practicing slavery did hang over the south, with typical confederate state laws affirming slaves to be as much property as horses and houses were. That can’t have pleased God at all, and on the human level it beckoned on a certain level of moral blindness in other areas.
The ruling is a loss for our side or anyone who believes in a limited government, but it may prevent Obama having another 4 years to damage the country.
So basically, you're in favor of a pure majority rules democracy, not a constitutional republic? Because that's what you are saying if we can't count on SCOTUS to defend the constitution. Given demographics, I can almost guarantee you won't like the results.
Obamacare itself is no longer the issue. A Supreme Court who rules that we are serfs/slaves who can be ordered about at will by our federal "massa" is now the most critical issue facing this country.
Answer: Join in inflicting great damage upon the American people.
Comment: "In declining states the leadership intuitively choses the most harmful course of action."- A Great Historian 1888
Amen to that sentiment. We need to stand up and fight to clean out the Liberals in the upcoming election! Count me in. I refuse to give in to these people by hiding in my parents basement with my guns and a years supply of dried beans. That’s NOT the way America was built.