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What Did SCOTUS Just Do?
weeklystandard.com ^ | 11:31 AM, Jun 28, 2012 | Jay Cost

Posted on 06/28/2012 9:50:50 AM PDT by Resettozero

Was today's Supreme Court Obamacare decision a win for conservatives or a loss? It depends on what you were rooting for.

If you were above all interested in the bill being struck down, it was mostly a loss. On the other hand, if you were more concerned about the qualitative expansion in the power of the government that the bill represented, it was definitely a win.

First, the Roberts Court put real limits on what the government can and cannot do. For starters, it restricted the limits of the Commerce Clause, which does not give the government the power to create activity for the purpose of regulating it. This is a huge victory for those of us who believe that the Constitution is a document which offers a limited grant of power.

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1 posted on 06/28/2012 9:50:55 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

Dread pirate Roberts just upheld government tyranny and power. Look at the taxes Roberts said were ok.

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2012/06/28/imf-to-discuss-greece-re-negotiating-debt-france-and-us-should-pay-close-attention-particularly-after-supreme-court-upholds-obamacare/


2 posted on 06/28/2012 9:52:32 AM PDT by whitedog57
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To: Resettozero
Jay Cost, you are insane.

This decision says that the government can compel you to do anything, as long as it makes the penalty for non-compliance a tax.

There is no victory here, no silver lining. The court has affirmed what they began with in Kelo -- to remind us that we are nothing but serfs who don't actually own property but must do whatever the government orders us to do.

3 posted on 06/28/2012 9:54:18 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: Resettozero
Was today's Supreme Court Obamacare decision a win for conservatives or a loss? It depends ...

No, it doesn't.

Jay Cost is a moron. We lost. We lost big. The whole country lost.

4 posted on 06/28/2012 9:54:33 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: whitedog57

Did the commerce clause get a real bonk on the nose? I’ll believe it when Uncle Sam can only “tax” against things like locally grown marijuana (which I do not recommend that anybody smoke except for possible bona fide medicinal use, but as a test case in point).


5 posted on 06/28/2012 9:55:36 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: Resettozero

Personally I think they solidified the GOP hold on the house and guaranteed GOP control of the senate.


6 posted on 06/28/2012 9:55:43 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Resettozero

The SC said the federal government can order us to do anything they please as long as they call it a tax, even though they don’t call it a tax. Confused?


7 posted on 06/28/2012 9:55:55 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

Well, this is an echo of how Social Security was sold to the USSC. It’s a tax, mon!


8 posted on 06/28/2012 9:57:32 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: Resettozero
SCOTUS just told us: Don't expect us to do your job!

Our forefathers overthrew a king now it's our turn -- and we have a two-hundred-plus-year tradition of elections to overthrow this clown king peacefully.

9 posted on 06/28/2012 9:58:42 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Resettozero

Uh,...exactly where/how did the the SC limit any of the law? You must have to go through a law school to have this little sense. It’s like they called a cat a rabbit, therefore it is, so don’t worry about it being a cat because cat’s aren’t allowed.


10 posted on 06/28/2012 9:58:52 AM PDT by throwback (The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: Resettozero
For starters, it restricted the limits of the Commerce Clause, which does not give the government the power to create activity for the purpose of regulating it. This is a huge victory for those of us who believe that the Constitution is a document which offers a limited grant of power.

This clown is dillusional. When the court can simply change the word penalty to tax and say the government is restricted, there are no restrictions. Liberals change the meaning of words all the time to fit an agenda.

This author is in la-la land riding unicorns through rainbows whilst smoking wacky-weed and sniffing pixy dust.

11 posted on 06/28/2012 9:59:34 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

They didn’t just not call it a tax, they said it was not a tax.

Roberts is W Bush’s spawn. W Bush made Obama and Obamacare possible, and Roberts finalized it.

They can pass a law that you must kill grandma or will be penalized $100,000. That’s perfectly okay with Roberts, the statist.


12 posted on 06/28/2012 9:59:58 AM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: cripplecreek
"Personally I think they solidified the GOP hold on the house and guaranteed GOP control of the senate."

It won't matter unless Obama is defeated in November. He has been moving heaven and earth to make Congress a ceremonial body and has already established many ways to raise and spend money without Congressional authorization. He is now legitimizing millions of illegal aliens and will give them work permits while preventing states from purging and protecting the voting rolls. You can bet that these illegals will be registered to vote and will vote as many times as physically possible.

13 posted on 06/28/2012 10:00:46 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Resettozero

This decision reaffirms the goverment’s ability to coerce / dictate individual behavior by tax policy. Hurray, hurray what a wonderful victory for conservative principles.


14 posted on 06/28/2012 10:00:54 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: cripplecreek

Personally I think they solidified the GOP hold on the house and guaranteed GOP control of the senate.”

While that is true, the only way to get rid of obamacare is to get 60 in the senate. I don’t think that is likely.


15 posted on 06/28/2012 10:01:44 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Resettozero

Cost is a MORON.


16 posted on 06/28/2012 10:02:37 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (You've been screwed by your government.)
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To: Resettozero
What Did SCOTUS Just Do?

They took a not surprising course and kicked the matter back into the hands of the voters.

The showdown is in November.

Be there.

17 posted on 06/28/2012 10:02:52 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: Resettozero

This decision continues the process of dissolving the States and says, in effect, that the People and the States have no powers which the central government is bound to honor or respect.

It certainly, in effect, repeals the ninth and tenth amendments.


18 posted on 06/28/2012 10:03:03 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Anna Wintour makes Teresa Heinz Kerry look like Dolly Parton.)
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To: ConservativeDude

It can be defunded and a new health care law passed through reconciliation.


19 posted on 06/28/2012 10:03:52 AM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: Resettozero

The lesson here: If you want something done, do it yourself.

Don’t expect the SCOTUS to pull our political chestnuts out of the fire. Don’t even trust them to pull our constitutional chestnuts out of the fire. The libs have relied on the court to do for them what they could not do through the political branches. I think the long term political tide is against them, and this tactic will ultimately fail them, as it has failed us today.

At the end of the day, O-care will stand or fall, based on the actions of the political branches of gov’t.

Therefore, we need to be loud, support candidates that support liberty and limited gov’t, vote, and convince others to vote. No RINO’s. All of our elected officials need to hear explicitly and loudly from us. We must contribute and support those who are true conservatives.


20 posted on 06/28/2012 10:04:16 AM PDT by RedElement
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To: Resettozero

For those “Doom and Gloomers” who’ve been predicting a ‘Second Amendment Solution’ to government intrusion into our lives... the timetable has moved forward.

Let us pray they’re wrong.


21 posted on 06/28/2012 10:04:59 AM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: cripplecreek

“Personally I think they solidified the GOP hold on the house and guaranteed GOP control of the senate.”

Doesn’t matter. Even if the GOP turns conservative and reverses Obamacare, any future administration/congress can use today’s ruling to compel citizens to do whatever they mandate. There is no longer a limited government, no longer any freedom of choice.

The constitution died today.


22 posted on 06/28/2012 10:05:05 AM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: cripplecreek

Agree.


23 posted on 06/28/2012 10:05:20 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: RedElement

Agreed.


24 posted on 06/28/2012 10:05:42 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

Yes lets put a happy face on the acts of a tyrant! * Sarcasm*

Because Roberts threw a few ultimately meaningless bones we should not take that silver and leave. He riped the heart of our freedom away. He declared government may tax inaction and in doing so made us slaves.

Roberts is a traitor to liberty and the Constitution and no man can be free until he is removed.


25 posted on 06/28/2012 10:06:08 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Resettozero

Real conservatives need to stop listening to psychobabble from PhonyCon pubs like Weakly Standard

America was pretty much neutered today, led by a Chief Justice who was appointed by a FraudCon Bush II and pushed by a FraudCon GOP senate.

No more whiny psychobable...time to pee or get off the pot. There needs to be some serious action from Real Conservatives to start fixing this nation


26 posted on 06/28/2012 10:06:08 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (When I said "close the borders", I did not mean the bookstore chain)
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To: ConservativeDude

Just made it legal for them to tax us for not buying something.


27 posted on 06/28/2012 10:07:01 AM PDT by weston (As far as I'm concerned, it's Christ or nothing!)
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To: ConservativeDude

Just made it legal for them to tax us for not buying something.


28 posted on 06/28/2012 10:07:12 AM PDT by weston (As far as I'm concerned, it's Christ or nothing!)
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To: Resettozero
“For starters, it restricted the limits of the Commerce Clause, which does not give the government the power to create activity for the purpose of regulating it.”

Huh? They can now mandate any freaking activity they want and tax you if you don't comply.

” Eat 5 pounds of spinach a week, or pay a $1,000.00 tax.”

“Buy a exploding golf cart, or pay a $10,000.00 tax.”

Etc Etc Etc...

29 posted on 06/28/2012 10:07:12 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: kevkrom
This decision says that the government can compel you to do anything, as long as it makes the penalty for non-compliance a tax.

True, but worse yet, it says the government can lie about it being a tax in the written law, say it's not, and because it could be a tax, it's OK.

Social Security was at least honest in the written law, SS was a TAX paid to the government. True, it was publicized as a retirement contract, but there was no lie in the actual law.

Here Roberts requires citizens to purchase a product from a private business or go to prison.

30 posted on 06/28/2012 10:07:53 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Resettozero
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31 posted on 06/28/2012 10:08:19 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Resettozero

A government BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE just died. :(


32 posted on 06/28/2012 10:08:48 AM PDT by mardi59 (THE REBELLION IS ON!!!)
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To: RedElement

They did us a favor even though I did not ask for it. The FEDS can tax you into oblivion. Sort of knew that. Know it for sure now. I, for one, think we just won 2012. We shall see. I not, then the America as founded is over.


33 posted on 06/28/2012 10:09:06 AM PDT by rlbedfor
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

“Roberts is W Bush’s spawn.”

Yes, like many other issues, this ruling is “Bush’s Fault!” And in a larger sense, we are where we are today thanks to George W. Bush and to a lesser extent, his worthless father. I sit here in wonderment, reading various “conservative pundits” who are in the process of blowing smoke up our collective asses saying this is a “victory” for the right. John Roberts is just what several have labeled him, a Benedict Arnold.


34 posted on 06/28/2012 10:09:06 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Resettozero

We now need to pass a new constitutional amendment, to reverse this horrible precedent created today by the Roberts’ Court, making it clear that Fedzilla cannot tax us in this manner.


35 posted on 06/28/2012 10:09:25 AM PDT by kevao
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To: RedElement

Agreed

Congress (by way of our electorate) got us into this mess...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2900395/posts?page=71#71


36 posted on 06/28/2012 10:10:15 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Resettozero

Roberts now ranks with Roger Taney as being the most gutless coward ever to hold office. Taney’s decision directly led to the Civil War. Roberts decision will do the same. In one fell swoop, he overthrew the Constitution and our republican form of government.

Any pretense to upholding the Constitution - AS HE SWORE TO DO - is gone. Any pretense that the federal government is subject to the will of the people is a monstrous joke. My personal feeling is the the court’s opinion and Roberts can go straight to the Mammon’s home. I REFUSE TO OBEY.


37 posted on 06/28/2012 10:12:49 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Social Security is a tax on WORKERS. If you don’t work, you don’t pay SS. For SS to be the same as Obamacare, then you would have to tax non-workers.


38 posted on 06/28/2012 10:12:56 AM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: cripplecreek
"...they solidified the GOP hold on the house and guaranteed GOP control of the senate."

They also made it an absolute certainty that O'Bungsuck will be swept out of our White House like the pile of putrid, stinking waste that he is. This has just gone from a touch-and-go election with the potential for minimal voter fraud swaying the outcome to a trembling, quaking landslide of previously unheard-of mandate majority.

A margin of victory way too big for even massive voter fraud to outweigh the natural outcome.

Obama, and The Obamacare Middle Class Income Tax, are done for. Yes, Chief Justice Roberts is a gutless dirtbag, an even bigger conservative disappointment than Justice Souter—but he just handed Conservatives both Houses of Congress and the White House come this November.

On the bright side, Chief Justice Roberts will be recorded in the history books as the biggest traitor to the Conservative Cause ever. I urinate on his vile name. What a despicable spineless eunuch.

;-\

39 posted on 06/28/2012 10:13:22 AM PDT by Gargantua ("Barack O'Bunga--America's first gay president...")
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To: Reddy

Obamacare as is has provisions for not taxing the unemployed and indigent.

Taxing non workers could be tricky.


40 posted on 06/28/2012 10:15:16 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: cripplecreek

I would include the WH.


41 posted on 06/28/2012 10:15:44 AM PDT by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It is impossible to effectively tax the drug pot, if it is legalized.


42 posted on 06/28/2012 10:15:59 AM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: Resettozero

I suggest we enact legislation that if you do not purchase products from Koch Industries, you will be taxed.


43 posted on 06/28/2012 10:18:09 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: RedElement

Boehner needs to be the first to go


44 posted on 06/28/2012 10:18:35 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: NTHockey

Well yes and no. The secession that led into the Civil War wasn’t precipitated by high dudgeon about whether or not keeping slaves was okay. However the curse of practicing slavery did hang over the south, with typical confederate state laws affirming slaves to be as much property as horses and houses were. That can’t have pleased God at all, and on the human level it beckoned on a certain level of moral blindness in other areas.


45 posted on 06/28/2012 10:19:17 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: cripplecreek
Let's hope it turns out to be a Pyrrhic victory for Obama. Bill Clinton and Janet Reno had a victory when they snatched Elian Gonzalez by force to send him to Castro, but that may have made the difference in Gore losing Florida in the 2000 election, thus sparing the country a Gore presidency.

The ruling is a loss for our side or anyone who believes in a limited government, but it may prevent Obama having another 4 years to damage the country.

46 posted on 06/28/2012 10:19:25 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: RedElement
Don’t expect the SCOTUS to pull our political chestnuts out of the fire

So basically, you're in favor of a pure majority rules democracy, not a constitutional republic? Because that's what you are saying if we can't count on SCOTUS to defend the constitution. Given demographics, I can almost guarantee you won't like the results.

47 posted on 06/28/2012 10:20:55 AM PDT by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Mow your own lawn!)
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To: RedElement
At the end of the day, O-care will stand or fall, based on the actions of the political branches of gov’t.

Obamacare itself is no longer the issue. A Supreme Court who rules that we are serfs/slaves who can be ordered about at will by our federal "massa" is now the most critical issue facing this country.

48 posted on 06/28/2012 10:21:29 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: Resettozero
Question: What did SCOTUS just do?"

Answer: Join in inflicting great damage upon the American people.

Comment: "In declining states the leadership intuitively choses the most harmful course of action."- A Great Historian 1888

49 posted on 06/28/2012 10:22:23 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Amen to that sentiment. We need to stand up and fight to clean out the Liberals in the upcoming election! Count me in. I refuse to give in to these people by hiding in my parents basement with my guns and a years supply of dried beans. That’s NOT the way America was built.


50 posted on 06/28/2012 10:22:23 AM PDT by deener
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