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Holder emails: We 'need answers' on Fast and Furious
AP via Fox News ^ | Thursday, June 28, 2012

Posted on 06/28/2012 12:03:52 PM PDT by kristinn

"We need answers on this. Not defensive BS. Real answers."

In email exchanges with subordinates in February and March 2011, Attorney General Eric Holder and the department's second-highest official expressed growing concern that something might have gone wrong in a federal gun-smuggling probe called Operation Fast and Furious.

Two of Holder's emails and one by Deputy Attorney General James Cole were among documents the Justice Department showed Tuesday to Republican and Democratic staffers of the House Oversight and Government Affairs Committee in an effort to ward off a criminal contempt vote against the attorney general.

The full contents of the emails were described to The Associated Press by two people who have seen them. Both people spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about them publicly.

For the past year and a half, some Republicans have promoted the idea that Holder and other top-level officials at the Justice Department knew federal agents in Operation Fast and Furious had engaged in a risky tactic known as "gun-walking."

Two of Holder's emails and one from Cole appear to show that they hadn't known about gun-walking but were determined to find out whether the allegations were true.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


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1 posted on 06/28/2012 12:03:56 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

A feint?


2 posted on 06/28/2012 12:05:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: kristinn

If Holder and the DOJ are really in the right on F&F, why don’t they just release the materials that are under subpoena, and prove it?

(I think we all know the answer to my rhetorical question.)


3 posted on 06/28/2012 12:07:11 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

If he got a response, it was probably this: Dont you remember the meeting right here in your office. The one where you said you wanted to kill the second amendment.

Paraphrase of a Harry Calahan comment to the police official accusing him of going over board on an arrest.


4 posted on 06/28/2012 12:08:16 PM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: kristinn

A classic CYA email...


5 posted on 06/28/2012 12:13:38 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Absolute BS. They would have shown these email exchanges on Day One.

Democrats think all Americans are stupid. But you can hardly blame them; look at their supporters.


6 posted on 06/28/2012 12:13:47 PM PDT by vlad335
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To: HiTech RedNeck

A more or less live thread on the debate over here.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2900532/posts


7 posted on 06/28/2012 12:13:54 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: kristinn
CYA emails sent after-the-fact.
8 posted on 06/28/2012 12:14:21 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: kristinn

He wrote that bogus email specifically because he feared stuff like that might get subpoenaed —the email was legal artifice with a purpose.


9 posted on 06/28/2012 12:14:58 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: kristinn

They’re leaking carefully selected emails.

Whatever is in the rest of the documents must be extremely damning to the Obama regime to go to the lengths they are going to in order to keep it hidden.


10 posted on 06/28/2012 12:16:06 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: kristinn

“Honest Officer, these are not my drugs! I merely found them, and I was on my way to the police station to turn them in!”


11 posted on 06/28/2012 12:27:13 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: kristinn

I suspect Issa has a lot of evidence already. He is moving in for the kill.


12 posted on 06/28/2012 12:34:07 PM PDT by mom.mom
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To: kristinn

I’ve worked in an environment where corrupt individuals would write rear-end covering memos just in case their plans went wrong at some later date.


13 posted on 06/28/2012 12:36:41 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88

I should have added that plausible deniability is a cruicial thing to the corrupt, and the more clever of them will plant memos and other evidence to give them deniability if things go wrong in the future.


14 posted on 06/28/2012 12:39:27 PM PDT by Will88
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To: All

Yeah, and Obama’s LFBC isn’t forged...


15 posted on 06/28/2012 12:42:05 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: kristinn

So what? Show us the documents and provide full disclosure.


16 posted on 06/28/2012 1:56:56 PM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: kristinn
one hundred bucks says if you could look at the backup tapes from feb and mar 2011, they aren't on them...
17 posted on 06/28/2012 3:11:55 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: kristinn

Those are CYA emails, what used to be known as “Memo to file” to record your alleged thoughts and state of mind at the time. Of course people who are habitual liars are just as likely to lie to their typewriter, or email program.


18 posted on 06/28/2012 3:17:04 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: gaijin

“He wrote that bogus email specifically because he feared stuff like that might get subpoenaed —the email was legal artifice with a purpose.”

So, DOJ wrote a letter on February 4, 2011 saying that no guns were walking....and then later that month Holder wrote a couple of emails demanding to know everything about the operation because he was oh-so-concerned to find the truth about this matter that he had never heard of before.....

Then in May, he testified that he had only heard about F & F a few weeks earlier....which is strange considering that he himself had evidently written emails about it three months prior! And even though he was demanding answers in February and March of 2011, his DOJ didn’t bother to withdraw the February 4th letter until December 2011.

Yeah....right! And why wait until now to release these emails? If you had nothing to hide and you were desperately trying to get to the truth of the matter, why not dump all the docs so everyone can see how hard you were working to find answers?


19 posted on 06/28/2012 3:18:21 PM PDT by VikingMom (I may not know what the future holds but I know who holds the future!)
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To: kristinn

If the emails show what the AP is trying to say they show, why were they not turned over earlier? And why would Holder think that showing Issa’s people emails that supposedly made Holder look good would stop the committee’s contempt vote for not turning over the other 70+ thousand documents?

This line of reasoning looks more like a turd sandwich than a good thing for Holder.


20 posted on 06/28/2012 4:31:25 PM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: kristinn

“Both people spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about them publicly”

Both “people” will soon be identified as NYTimes reporters....


21 posted on 06/28/2012 4:34:21 PM PDT by marstegreg
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To: kristinn

Eric Holder, Bill Clinton, Wright’s ‘Black Liberation’ “church”, and the pardons of 16 members of the Puerto Rican Marxist terrorist group FALN:(Wright’s Marxist BLT ‘church’ (Obama’s ‘church’ for 20+ years) advocated for FALN terrorists) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2165024/posts


22 posted on 06/28/2012 5:58:46 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: kristinn

Oh an AP story...not a Fox News story...noticed first by the sucking sound of author on the teat of Holder’s cover story....half way through the story I look up at top of page and notice—sure enough “AP”. My BS meter is in tune.


23 posted on 06/28/2012 6:41:59 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: kristinn

If Operation F&F began in November 2009, I don’t understand how he could NOT have known. Date is according to this:

Obama Made Pre-Inaugural ‘Pledge’ on Stopping Guns to Mexico; Holder, Napolitano Worked Issue From First Month

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“Rather than “stem the flow of arms from the United States to Mexico,” as Obama pledged to Calderon he would seek to do, the administration, under Operation Fast and Furious, actually allowed guns to be purchased within the United States by known straw buyers for Mexican drug cartels.

In its resolution recommending that the House hold Holder in contempt, the Oversight Committee describes the essence of Fast and Furious, which began in November 2009—ten months after Obama made his anti-gun-trafficking pledge to Calderon, and nine months after Holder and Napolitano publicly indicated they were personally working on the gun-trafficking issue.”

(snip)

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-made-pre-inaugural-pledge-stopping-guns-mexico-holder-napolitano-worked-issue


24 posted on 06/29/2012 12:13:20 AM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: kristinn

” We need some answers” that will spin the truth and get us off the Congressional hook.

This is what Holder means. Holder and our fascist president do not want the public to discover that Fast and Furious was being used to arm reconquista guerrillas in the American Southwest, so they could wage war against red states like Arizona.

Arizona stopped Holder and Obama COLD, as it should have.

And now what we have left is a radical movement that has no clothes looking for a place to hide.

Obama and Holder should be impeached. They committed acts of war against Mexico,treasonously exercising a war power reserved to Congress and the People exclusively. This caused the genocidal deaths of 300 plus Mexicans and killed 2 BATF agents. Ths is what we know of, and there may be more.

If they were ordinary citizens, Obama and Holder would be classified by DHS as criminals who should be arrested, tried publicly and executed for their crimes and acts of war.


25 posted on 06/29/2012 2:51:00 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: kristinn
When relying on the technique of gun-walking, federal agents tried to track suspected illicit gun-buyers instead of arresting them.

They did? How did they do that? According to these four ATF agents they were ordered to stop tracking the straw buyers when they crossed the border.

The Department of Justice ’ s Operation Fast and Furious: Accounts of ATF Agents

ATF field agents were sharply reprimanded for suggesting that they track the smugglers and guns. There was no tracking.

26 posted on 06/29/2012 8:23:24 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Nervous Tick
Eric Holder could indeed be perfectly in the right on 'Fast and Furious', and if he is then I suspect that he's found something awful in there that he cannot release -- like the BATFE planting F&F guns at the scene of Agent Terry's murder site, for instance -- that Holder himself knew nothing about.

I'm not saying that's the actual reason, I'm just illustrating that there's a perfectly reasonable explanation proving Holder didn't know what criminal activities some junior rogue element was up to, like ATF supervisors planting evidence at a crime scene in order to justify their department's entire reason for existence. Oh, yes I can certainly believe that.

27 posted on 06/29/2012 9:09:22 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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