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Soldier killed, two injured in Fort Bragg shooting
fox news ^ | June 28, 2012 | Charlie Glancy

Posted on 06/28/2012 1:27:22 PM PDT by Brown Deer

Edited on 06/28/2012 5:25:05 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

FAYETTVILLE, N.C. Fort Bragg officials say police have responded to a shooting incident at Fort Bragg on Thursday.

According to Deputy Public Affairs Officer Benjamin Abel, the incident happened on post around 3:30 p.m.

Police ask that drivers and pedestrians to avoid the historic district of Fort Bragg until further notice.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: elder; fortbragg; fortbraggshooting; richardelder; rickyelder; rickygelder; shooting

1 posted on 06/28/2012 1:27:29 PM PDT by Brown Deer
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To: Brown Deer

If it’s a right winger - all conservatives will be treated as potential terrorists. Newspapers will run with the story for years - hate will be ginned up against the ‘vast right wing conspiracy’.

If it’s a Muslim, Homeland Security will tell people he acted alone and to beware of right wingers who might condemn Muslims. Newspapers will run stories about how peaceful most Muslims are - what good neighbors....


2 posted on 06/28/2012 1:34:47 PM PDT by GOPJ (Way to go Kraft. I now associate your brand with anal sex.(Oreo cookies) Freeper agere_contra)
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To: Brown Deer

Keep us updated. I have two family members stationed there.


3 posted on 06/28/2012 1:42:26 PM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: GOPJ

If it’s some POS haji, then it’s just “workplace violence,” right?


4 posted on 06/28/2012 1:42:59 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: GOPJ
If it’s a Muslim, Homeland Security will tell people he acted alone and to beware of right wingers who might condemn Muslims. Newspapers will run stories about how peaceful most Muslims are - what good neighbors....

Or, it will be called 'workplace violence'.

5 posted on 06/28/2012 1:49:05 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: Brown Deer

Went out to look around. Details are few at this time.


6 posted on 06/28/2012 1:53:56 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: liberalh8ter
Yes, ‘workplace violence’ - acted alone etc.

If it's a conservative - or even a ‘white hispanic’ all hell will break lose.

Time for the press to create a style book of ‘equality’. Example: Here's how we treat ‘situation A’ - no matter the person's beliefs, ideology or color... Some effort to reject double standards would be appreciated.

7 posted on 06/28/2012 1:59:25 PM PDT by GOPJ (Way to go Kraft. I now associate your brand with anal sex.(Oreo cookies) Freeper agere_contra)
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To: no-to-illegals

That alone tells me the shooter is Muslim, black, or both.


8 posted on 06/28/2012 2:00:49 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc... not just pretty words...)
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To: Old Sarge
It has been that type of day Old Sarge where facts are few. Might ought to add the entire week has been few facts, accompanied by absolute turmoil.
9 posted on 06/28/2012 2:04:47 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Admin Moderator
oops, wrong thread...
updated headline:

Report: Officer senior officer shot dead at Fort Bragg

FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. – A senior officer was killed in a shooting at Fort Bragg, The Army Times is reporting.
According to Deputy Public Affairs Officer Benjamin Abel, the incident happened on post around 3:30 p.m.
ABC reporter Luis Martinez is reporting an Army official said one person was shot.
10 posted on 06/28/2012 2:27:33 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: colorcountry
A senior officer at Fort Bragg, N.C., was shot dead by an enlisted soldier who then killed himself this afternoon, according to Army officials.
11 posted on 06/28/2012 2:37:43 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

Thank you for the update.


12 posted on 06/28/2012 2:56:40 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Brown Deer
WHAT?????

Army CID & MPs have jurisdiction. Why the civilian police???

13 posted on 06/28/2012 3:20:57 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Brown Deer
A senior officer at Fort Bragg, N.C., was shot dead by an enlisted soldier who then killed himself this afternoon, according to Army officials.

The shooter's apparently still alive. Prayers up for the BN Commander and his family.
14 posted on 06/28/2012 4:18:19 PM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: Brown Deer

Seems just as likely that it’s a soldier who snapped upon learning that he was being sent (back?) to Afghanistan.


15 posted on 06/28/2012 6:18:54 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Bill Ayers Was *Not* "Just Some Guy In The Neighborhood")
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To: Gay State Conservative

Sounds like a high value target tagged by domestic Jihad.

I have no way of knowing right now, but it’s usually safe to assume these days.

Our new gay pride military seems to be thoroughly infiltrated by Muslims and Gang bangers now - This is probably not the last time a “high value” US Officer or non compliant (to Islam) Official is assassinated from the inside or by treacherous “friendly fire”.

It’s the Muslim way.

I’m surprised we don’t have more “fragging for Allah” going on in and around our military bases at home and abroad. It very well might be and we just aren’t hearing about it.

If I was a Christian or Jewish Officer I sure wouldn’t trust any Achmetts in my command. But these days they kind of have to I guess.

Too bad our Military stateside is scrupulously dis-armed and unable to defend themselves. That, I opine, is quite by the regime’s design.
That policy doesn’t slow the Hajis down any though, does it?

Sometimes I suspect that our military is being set up for a Stalinesque “Purge”. Worked pretty well for Stalin, and Deer Leeder knows his Lenin and Stalin pretty cold I’d reckon.

If you don’t know what the Purge of the Red Army in the 1930s was all about, look it up and ask yourself if history ever repeats itself.

It may well be fixin’ to.

It may well have already started.


16 posted on 06/28/2012 10:03:19 PM PDT by George Varnum (Liberty, like our Forefather's Flintlock Musket, must be kept clean, oiled, and READY!)
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To: Brown Deer

There’s been lots of violence there. Speculation was around all the drugs they give those who go overseas.


17 posted on 06/28/2012 11:20:52 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Let's name a law after a kid who died because of CAFE standards!)
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To: Brown Deer

Sez to avoid the historic district of Fort Bragg.

That’s where many headquarters staffed by many senior officers, is located. The old brick post, some call it.

I’ll call it that a muzzie did this and knew where there was a target rich environment. A failure to name the suspect will confirm my guess.


18 posted on 06/29/2012 5:53:26 AM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind. Deus vult!")
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To: Brown Deer

My husband and our family as been stationed at Ft Bragg 2 times.

It has the best of the best Soldiers, and the worst of the worst.

It could be anything...One report said the shooter was an E4. He was probably unhappy about something and directed his rage at their Battalion Commander. I can’t imagine a Battalion Commander having much day to day contact with an E4, so he went to the top of his Chain of Command and skipped over his CO and 1Sg, and LTs.


19 posted on 06/29/2012 5:54:48 AM PDT by baileybat
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Army soldier who allegedly shot, killed his battalion commander at Fort Bragg was facing court martial.


20 posted on 06/29/2012 6:32:34 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Old Sarge
‘workplace violence’

Don't forget "Isolated incident".
21 posted on 06/29/2012 6:45:56 AM PDT by freebird5850 (Just don't have a tagline today. This administration makes me quite sad.)
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To: George Varnum
Sounds like a high value target tagged by domestic Jihad.I have no way of knowing right now, but it’s usually safe to assume these days.

That,too,is a distinct possibility.We'll be able to reach a better informed opinion when we see the perp and learn his name.

22 posted on 06/29/2012 7:04:13 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Bill Ayers Was *Not* "Just Some Guy In The Neighborhood")
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To: Brown Deer

So the Soldier had been caught doing something illegal, and was probably going to lose money, rank, or both, and possibly face jail time and discharge.

The Army lets people who have been caught breaking the law “hang out” with the rest of the unit, go to work everyday, etc, while they await trial.

The even let people on charges for child pornography or drug distribution stay within the unit on some level and go about their business and interact as normal.

A Soldier here in Missouri had federal charges on him for child porn and was awaiting trial. He wasn’t even barred from attending Company parties where children and families were present, as he was innocent until proven guilty. A St Louis newspaper reported he went AWOL in January 2012.

It is puzzling how the Army does this. I am really surprised incidents do not happen more often...Soldier facing charges and working closely with the people that are prosecuting him, knowing he will soon have his life taken away. It isn’t the fault of the Chain of Command the Soldier is facing charges, it his own, but often they do not see it that way.

Very sad.


23 posted on 06/29/2012 7:18:51 AM PDT by baileybat
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To: baileybat

We had a guy like that in one of my old companies. He was accused of possession of child porn. He was at the company every day, usually pulling CQ duty. Then his trail came and he was sent to Leavenworth for 4 years.


24 posted on 06/29/2012 7:24:13 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: George Varnum

You may be right, but don’t forget Generation Xbox is now Army Strong.

My mommy and daddy didn’t make me take my consequences. Now I have been caught selling drugs to other Soldiers, and and a going to be discharged after I go to prison.

Well, Call of Duty made me the man I am today, and my smug Battalion Commander is going down with me.


25 posted on 06/29/2012 7:24:57 AM PDT by baileybat
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To: Future Snake Eater

My husband had a guy in his unit who tested positive for cocaine and was on charges and awaiting trial, just hanging out.
They allowed him to stay out of pretrial confinement until he hired a man to threaten people in the unit during formation one day.

He rolled up to the formation in a car with a scary looking dude and showed everybody his gun, and told them all he was not going to prison. He also stated he would kill the families of the CO and 1Sg.

They put him in prison to await trial after that. Suprisingly.


26 posted on 06/29/2012 7:31:46 AM PDT by baileybat
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To: baileybat

He must’ve been a dealer. I had a Soldier come up hot for cocaine, but it was all handled administratively. He was a great Soldier, truth be told. He kept his head down and worked hard afterwards. I was told not too long ago that he came up hot for cocaine a second time. Total waste...

We had another guy in a different Platoon who was a full-on dealer, though. He did go to prison, but not just for dealing. There was another dirtbag drug-user who was kicked out of the Army who apparently owed the dealer money. The dealer kidnapped, tortured, and killed him. No great loss to humanity, but still pretty messed up. That dealer/murderer guy is now making big rocks into little rocks at Leavenworth and will be for a very long time.


27 posted on 06/29/2012 7:45:01 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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Oh, and here is the story.

Here's some crazy coincidence for you: that Fort Lewis Ammo Supply Point the article mentions? My company had guard detail on the gate for that facility, so our own guys discovered his body. Freaky weird.

28 posted on 06/29/2012 7:56:37 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Latest FayOb update

Hint - no update

“Fort Bragg officials not releasing any new details in Thursday’s fatal shooting”

http://fayobserver.com/articles/2012/06/29/1187706?sac=fo.local

“Fort Bragg officials say they are not ready to release any new information on Thursday’s fatal shooting on the installation.

One soldier shot and killed another soldier during a unit safety brief Thursday afternoon, then shot and wounded himself, officials said....................”


29 posted on 06/29/2012 8:38:38 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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Makes me wonder if we have to now add the “don’t murder senior officers” blurb into the ever-expanding safety brief...


30 posted on 06/29/2012 8:41:01 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Wow, so scary and sad. Drugs drugs drugs ain’t they fun? Ft Lewis has certainly earned some attention lately, hasn’t it?

We have 2 sons who both see only the best parts of Military service. The oldest is almost 16 and I know he would love to join the Military.

I just don’t want him to join. It isn’t my choice and he will do as he wishes. I am not scared he will die like a man fighting the good fight with his buddies overseas...but fall prey to the totally crazy stuff that happens to Soldiers because they are young or dumb or both. Even really intelligent senior officers do unexplainable things that leaves the whole world wondering what on earth is happening to the military. My husband says society is degrading and we are all along for the ride.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happened in this incident. Not a good interesting, either...the sad interesting of tragedy and wasted lives and senseless death.


31 posted on 06/29/2012 11:50:30 AM PDT by baileybat
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To: baileybat

I was onboard a nuclear submarine in ‘70s, don’t miss it a bit.


32 posted on 06/29/2012 2:32:48 PM PDT by brivette
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To: baileybat

Maybe he was ordered to do one pushup too many.../s;) But seriously, FR is the only place I’ve seen this story. And why is that..is TROP involved here???


33 posted on 06/29/2012 9:24:24 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Brown Deer

Word is that the Battalion commander was killed.


34 posted on 06/29/2012 9:27:46 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: Brown Deer

Lt. Col. Roy L. Tisdale died immediately after being struck by a bullet fired from the gun of one of his own soldiers, Fort Bragg officials said this morning.

Tisdale, 42, of Alvin, Texas, was shot during a safety briefing Thursday on Fort Bragg.

http://www.fayobserver.com/articles/2012/06/30/1187926?sac=fo.local


35 posted on 06/30/2012 8:39:45 AM PDT by baileybat
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Fort Bragg officials have not identified the shooter, but have said he is in custody and in critical condition. ( from the article you posted)
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Could it be that the man’s name is Abdul? ( Just wondering.)


36 posted on 06/30/2012 8:47:24 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Could be. Could also be Zach Smith.

I have witnessed too much crazy from white folks, as well.

The Army is still treating Maj. Nidal Hassan with kid gloves.

I don’t expect the Army ever to treat our enemies, foreign and domestic, the way they should be treated.

Panchetta is too busy trying to make Soldiers pay for health care and celebrating sodomy to give two sh&*$ about real Soldiers getting killed at their own duty stations.


37 posted on 06/30/2012 9:01:09 AM PDT by baileybat
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To: wintertime

The other soldiers involved in the shooting have not been identified. NBC News reported that the soldier accused of shooting and killing his commander faced court martial and possible discharge due to criminal charges.

NBC News, citing U.S. military officials, said the shooter shot his battalion commander and firing three shots to the head and two shots to the chest before turning the gun on himself. The shooter is not expected to survive, according to NBC News.

The shooting happened around 3:30 p.m. at the corner of Letterman and Armistead streets. A third soldier was slightly wounded in the incident.

http://www2.nbc17.com/news/2012/jun/29/nbc-news-ft-bragg-shooter-was-facing-court-martial-ar-2395969/


38 posted on 06/30/2012 10:00:35 AM PDT by baileybat
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To: Brown Deer

http://hutchnews.com/Latestlocalnews/ft-brag-shooting

A soldier from Hutchinson scheduled for sentencing Friday in Reno County District Court was reportedly involved in a shooting Thursday at Fort Bragg, N.C.

Sentencing Friday for Ricky G. Elder, convicted of aggravated battery, was postponed after one of Elder’s family members called his attorney, Les Hulnick of Wichita, and said Elder was killed in “a tragedy” at Fort Bragg, Hulnick told The News.

Elder was scheduled to appear at 8:30 a.m. Friday before Reno County District Judge Trish Rose for sentencing on a felony charge of aggravated battery for punching Deborah M. Keough-Douglas, 29, in the face April 4, 2010, at Grand Slam sports bar in Hutchinson. The incident reportedly caused $60,000 in medical bills for Douglas.

Court records indicate Elder was initially charged with both intentional and reckless aggravated battery, alleging great bodily harm.

In September 2010, he pleaded innocent and waived his right to a speedy trial prior to being deployed to Afghanistan. Stephen Maxwell, senior assistant district attorney, previously reported that Elder would face the charges upon completing his military duty.

Elder pleaded guilty to reckless aggravated battery in November 2011, and court records indicate sentencing was scheduled for March due to Elder’s military service. The sentencing was delayed and rescheduled for Friday.

Hulnick, Elder’s attorney, said the court allowed Elder “a fair amount of leave” because he was serving his country. Hulnick thought Elder was supposed to stay in the Army until this month and was “about to get out.” He said the sentencing was postponed because Elder’s death could not be confirmed, except for a phone call from a family member.

Elder’s family members could not be reached for comment. The Facebook page of his brother, Chad Elder, included comments from numerous people offering condolences for his loss.

Army officials at Fort Bragg said they expected to release more information about the shooting in the coming days. Special agents from the Army Criminal Investigation Command are investigating.

Ricky Elder is a 2004 graduate from Hutchinson High School.


39 posted on 06/30/2012 10:25:14 AM PDT by kathsua (A woman can do anything a man can do and have babies besides.)
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