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Obama’s Pyrrhic Victory
Dick Morris.Com ^ | June 27,2012 | Dick Morris

Posted on 06/28/2012 2:16:48 PM PDT by Hojczyk

Today, Barack Obama won the battle but will lose the war. The Supreme Court decision makes Obamacare the central issue in the 2012 election, just like it was in the 2010 election. And we know how that turned out.

The Court has sustained the individual mandate. That imposes on us a mandate: To defeat Obama and take the Senate. Now that is the only way we can kill this horrible law.

Public opinion has rejected this law for two years now by about the same margin: 40% support; 55% oppose. While the Court decision may give the law a short term positive bump, the underlying reality of the costs of the program and the increases in everyone’s health insurance rates it is already triggering will eliminate any near term gain. Ultimately, it will still be 40-55 against the law.

Right now, presidential polls show Romney and Obama both in the mid-40s. The single most unpopular thing Obama has done is the health care law. Now it is going to be the lynchpin issue. It means that the election itself will increasingly be polarized around opinions of the health care law – a fifteen point loser for the Democrats.

In a real sense, the Supreme Court did not let Obama off the hook by striking down the law. Now he will have to defend it during the election.

Remember what this law does. It requires everyone to spend upwards of 7 percent of their income on health insurance or pay a fine of several thousand dollars. Neither is an attractive alternative for the young and the poor who are the president’s political base. And, with the expansion of Medicaid rejected by the Court, the government will not be there to help them. I

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1 posted on 06/28/2012 2:16:54 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

To all the “young and poor” who voted for this abomination by voting for nobama and his DIMocRAT minions

...bwahahahahahahahahahaha! Now, pay the piper.


2 posted on 06/28/2012 2:20:04 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Hojczyk

This hopeful argument would be a whole lot more convincing if the GOP nominee were anybody besides the author of the law that the liberal justices correctly recognized as the model for ObamaCare.


3 posted on 06/28/2012 2:20:43 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: Hojczyk

These morons now running around saying they have free healthcare do not know what is really happening. They now have a debt of either paying a fine or signing up for healthcare. They will now have to pay!


4 posted on 06/28/2012 2:23:47 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Ambition Without Talent Is Sad - Talent Without Ambition Is Worse")
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To: madprof98

Your point about RomneyCare is well taken, but I see this having a greater impact on the down-ticket races: Dem Congresscritters will now have to explain their votes for a huge tax increase to the voters.


5 posted on 06/28/2012 2:29:04 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: SkyDancer
These morons now running around saying they have free healthcare do not know what is really happening.

When they finally get off the couch (and Mommy and Daddy's policy) and find a job, they may be surprised that employers no longer offer Health Care as a benefit.

6 posted on 06/28/2012 2:29:29 PM PDT by Palmetto Patriot (How much better off would we be if these bastards would just leave us alone?)
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To: SkyDancer

How does someone without a job pay a premium or a fine?


7 posted on 06/28/2012 2:31:18 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: Terry Mross
How does someone without a job pay a premium or a fine?

Probably with an EBT card. They seem to be good for everything else.

8 posted on 06/28/2012 2:33:30 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: Hojczyk

Pyrrhic...had to pull out Webster’s for that one!


9 posted on 06/28/2012 2:33:54 PM PDT by MNDude ( Victimhood is the Holy Grail of liberalism)
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To: Terry Mross
How does someone without a job pay a premium or a fine?

Excellent question. And how many fewer jobs will there be now? What mess and the Democrats own it, lock, stock and barrel.

10 posted on 06/28/2012 2:36:00 PM PDT by MulberryDraw (That which cannot be paid, won't be paid.)
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To: Terry Mross

They don’t. What they do is join OWS to demand that those that do have a job pay for their premium.


11 posted on 06/28/2012 2:36:56 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Ambition Without Talent Is Sad - Talent Without Ambition Is Worse")
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To: Palmetto Patriot

A lot of those employers won’t be able to continue to offer the benefit of a job, let alone health insurance. I hope all those tools who voted for Obama understand just how critical entreprenurial skills are becoming. Soon it’s going to be create your own job or government teat.


12 posted on 06/28/2012 2:37:05 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Hojczyk
The Court has sustained the individual mandate.

Specifically, the court has determined that the individual mandate is a TAX.

It's the 0bamaTAX. 0bama is the biggest TAX-raiser in US history. 0bama is trying to TAX us to death. 0bama is killing the medical care industry with onerous and punitive TAXES.

SCOTUS was wrong. Roberts is a toad.

BUT 0bama imposes draconian, punitive, onerous TAXES on the American people.

We need to get rid of that TAX-hiking bastard 0bama.

If the Republicans have any brains at all, this idea will be central to their campaigns

13 posted on 06/28/2012 2:37:30 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: madprof98
I disagree. Politically Romney's in a good position on this issue. Democrats cannot with a straight face paint him as uncaring on healthcare. They have to acknowledge his MA program offered a blueprint.

Romney can say he knows what went right and wrong, talks about parts he likes which poll well, and he has as good an argument on being able to "run the economy" as any.

In terms of being able to win the moderates who decide elections, we could do worse than Mitt Romney as the GOP nominee.

If anyone was going to penalize Romney for RomneyCare it would've been GOP primary voters. It didn't happen, he'll be the nominee. It's time to shift gears towards winning over the general electorate for November.

14 posted on 06/28/2012 2:38:08 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: Palmetto Patriot

I think that the Obamamugabe plan has those kids supposedly covered until they’re 26. Question is: how are they either going to find the money to buy health insurance or pay the fine for not having it? Bet there will be another government agency that will provide grants to them to pay for it.


15 posted on 06/28/2012 2:39:30 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Ambition Without Talent Is Sad - Talent Without Ambition Is Worse")
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To: Cyber Liberty
: Dem Congresscritters will now have to explain their votes for a huge tax increase to the voters.

YES!!!

Republicans running for congress would do well to constantly tar the democRAT party with the "tax-hike" brush.

It would have the singular virtue of being true.

16 posted on 06/28/2012 2:39:44 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Terry Mross

The bill was supposed to provide subsidies for those poor or without jobs and they could’ve been shifted to Medicare but with the Medicare changed struck down, that’s an open question since states can refuse to participate in the new scheme.


17 posted on 06/28/2012 2:40:35 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: Hojczyk

Obamamugabe has just assured his defeat.


18 posted on 06/28/2012 2:41:06 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Ambition Without Talent Is Sad - Talent Without Ambition Is Worse")
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To: newzjunkey; Terry Mross

Sorry, I meant Medicaid changes.


19 posted on 06/28/2012 2:44:14 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: madprof98
The bigger issue is that Supreme Court appointments have effectively been eliminated as a compelling reason to vote for a Republican presidential candidate.

I'm remarkably serene about this whole thing.

"Put not your trust in princes; in the children of men, in whom there is no salvation." -- Psalm 146:3

20 posted on 06/28/2012 2:44:39 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Hojczyk

Assuming we could get 2/3 of the Senate, the House, and the WH the following should be passed:

1. Kill socialized medicine.

2. Require every adult to purchase and maintain in their residence an assault rifle, a class III license for it, 10,000 rounds of ammunition, a gun safe, and a life membership at a shooting range within 25 miles of their home. Failure to take part in said action will result in a $5,000 tax.

We will then see how the court rules on #2.

Repeal the 17th amendment and pass a new amendment strictly restricting federal control over commerce to a restriction on the states to create tariffs.


21 posted on 06/28/2012 2:47:56 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: MNDude

Me too, but it doesn’t make sense.

But since i’ve been drunk since 10:30 this morning maybe I’m missing something. Oh that’s PDST.


22 posted on 06/28/2012 2:57:19 PM PDT by super7man
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To: .45 Long Colt
A lot of those employers won’t be able to continue to offer the benefit of a job, let alone health insurance.

In the work force, it's a constant trade-off between labor and automation. If the total cost of having a human do a job is less than buying a machine to do the job, then I'll hire the human. Otherwise I'll hire the machine. And there WILL be a machine available to do the job if humans get expensive enough, or the job just won't get done.

23 posted on 06/28/2012 3:04:19 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Hojczyk
I tend to think it will benefit "The Divine One." Romney is a nonentity and now "The Divine One" can trumpet his concern for the poor, women gays, blacks etc. being uoheld. Secondly, how can nonentity Romney effectively attack a program that he supported while governor?

"The Divine One" has been handed a great political victory; a victory of such magnitude so as to get him reelected.

24 posted on 06/28/2012 3:10:13 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Hojczyk
I tend to think it will benefit "The Divine One." Romney is a nonentity and now "The Divine One" can trumpet his concern for the poor, women gays, blacks etc. being upheld. Secondly, how can nonentity Romney effectively attack a program that he supported while governor?

"The Divine One" has been handed a great political victory; a victory of such magnitude so as to get him reelected.

25 posted on 06/28/2012 3:10:24 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Terry Mross
How does someone without a job pay a premium or a fine?

Well the IRS will be coming after us when we do not pay the premium. That does not automatically mean you are screwed and going to prison if you cannot pay. There will be ways to get these penalties removed. We will have to work on it though.

Obviously one of the ways will be to sweep the elections and get the US Senate and House to repel this monstrosity. Actually repelling this might save the country. Right now fiscally the US is done for.

26 posted on 06/28/2012 3:13:56 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: ArrogantBustard

I hope Cantor gets his vote to repeal done. It’ll smoke out the rats and put them on record as supporting the world’s largest tax increase ever. They need to explain why the poorest among us will be hit the hardest.


27 posted on 06/28/2012 3:17:46 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Actually, if this act was struck down, the stock markets would have rallied and banks may have loosened their lending restrictions. The economy would have improved just before the election. This now means the economy will not improve and can only get worse. People vote their pocket books. Just look at the one poster who wonders if he will go to jail if he has no job and cannot pay the fine.


28 posted on 06/28/2012 3:18:23 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

What I’m saying is the law says buy insurance or be fined. Some disabled guy who’s sitting at home ‘cause he can’t work but can’t get disability is going to pay a fine? The law does not address the millions of people who are out of work at any given time.


29 posted on 06/28/2012 3:26:30 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: Terry Mross

Correct. I gathered that from your initial post. This is not a case of giving people freebies and worrying about the fiscal consequences later. This is a case of forcing them to pay for the goodies they may not want and fining and jailing them if they do not pay. So your concerns are valid. But just because the IRS is after you for money you do not have, is not an automatic death sentence. Bad yes, but they can be beat. It will be hard work, but keeping people out of debtors prison will be a righteous challenge.


30 posted on 06/28/2012 3:32:26 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: newzjunkey
Sounds like the IRS is going to be targeting the dems base.
31 posted on 06/28/2012 3:44:24 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: justa-hairyape

Here’s a scenario you can explain for me. There’s a local pizza joint down the street. It’s him, his wife and two kids. His insurance premiums are sky high. Under this law he can insure his entire family for $700 a year each by paying the fine.

But that’s begs another question. If a father doesn’t buy insurance is he fined for each of his children?


32 posted on 06/28/2012 3:52:35 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: Terry Mross
Some of the threads are noting that ruling this as a tax, actually creates major problems for Obama. Any specific exemption issues (parents children compounding fines) have to be addressed by Congress now. And there are literally hundreds of possible exemption complications. The IRS cannot create those, the President cannot create those, they have to be written into the tax code by the US Congress. The IRS has to follow the tax code laws written by congress. Right now there are no legally binding exemptions until Congress specifically addresses them by tax code law. So yes, as it stands right now, many poor and unemployed people will be sent to debtors prison by the IRS.
33 posted on 06/28/2012 4:04:22 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: SampleMan

“Assuming we could get 2/3 of the Senate”

Since the SC has called this a tax, it is now a budget line item. Budget items can be decided with a simple majority. All we need is 50 senators, with the VP being the tie breaker.


34 posted on 06/28/2012 4:10:23 PM PDT by BO Stinkss
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To: Hojczyk

Wrong.

Obama may have lost the battle, but won the war.

Obamacare can be reversed by law.

The Supreme Court decision to tax behavior and force purchases of products will stand REQUIRING A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.

Overturning the law is temporary, the precedent will stand forever until new amendment.


35 posted on 06/28/2012 4:12:23 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: Hojczyk

Wrong.

Obama may have lost the battle, but won the war.

Obamacare can be reversed by law.

The Supreme Court decision to tax behavior and force purchases of products will stand REQUIRING A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.

Overturning the law is temporary, the precedent will stand forever until new amendment.


36 posted on 06/28/2012 4:12:38 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: Hojczyk

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37 posted on 06/28/2012 4:15:29 PM PDT by Dysart (Race card is tyranny. Don't be cowed.)
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To: justa-hairyape
Right now there are no legally binding exemptions until Congress specifically addresses them by tax code law.

So yes, as it stands right now, many poor and unemployed people will be sent to debtors prison by the IRS.

Alinsky RULE 4: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."

38 posted on 06/28/2012 4:28:52 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Terry Mross

“Some disabled guy who’s sitting at home ‘cause he can’t work but can’t get disability is going to pay a fine?”

Terry, that’s what death panels are for. If this fellow doesn’t have cash, he gets eliminated. If you can’t man an oar on the Buckwheat slave ship, you get thrown overboard as shark food. The only remedy a fellow such as this has in Buckwheat’s fascist paradise is to show up at the death panel hearing and open fire.

It’s all about the rule of men and who has the best weapon and the fastest draw. Practice your combat shooting at the range. Read Jan Karski’s book “The Story of the Secret State.” We are a whisker away from CW II.

See you at the Old North Bridge, FRiend.


39 posted on 06/28/2012 4:38:23 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Public unions exist to protect the unions from the taxpaying public)
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To: sergeantdave

I’ll see you there.


40 posted on 06/28/2012 4:43:04 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: justa-hairyape
It requires everyone to spend upwards of 7 percent of their income on health insurance or pay a fine of several thousand dollars.

The problem is that for the vast majority of people looking to get insurance through this program 7% of AGI isn't going to come anywhere close to buying insurance. Guess who gets to pick up the rest of the tab. We do.

I put a family of 4 with 60k in AGI into a calculator program on a pro-ACA website. The monthly premium came out to $1000 total, with $400 paid by the family, $600 by the government, and a limit on out of pocket deductibles and copays of $6k. By the way, those numbers are about the same as a current federal employee except the federal employees pay $400 every 4 weeks, not every month. The real problem is how the government plans on paying for all these subsidies. My guess would be that the costs of this healthcare plan are going to explode.

41 posted on 06/28/2012 5:05:01 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Hojczyk
You know... that biotch in Orlando may not have to worry after all... about filling her gas tank, paying her mortgage or seeing her Doctor... they may have just won.

LLS

42 posted on 06/28/2012 5:17:06 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: sergeantdave

It’s time to water the Tree of Liberty. Semper Fi.


43 posted on 06/28/2012 5:21:56 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: justa-hairyape
Well the IRS will be coming after us when we do not pay the premium.

No they don't, these are just brown shirt thugs to do his bidding via the media for effect They can take it out of any of your bank accounts or assets via the bill or was it in Dodd Frank if my memory is correct.

Our Gov't is out of control.

44 posted on 06/28/2012 6:08:38 PM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: SVTCobra03

I’m getting freaked out tonight, reading all the surrender monkey statements on FR who are waving French flags.

Damn! I thought we had a bunch of patriots on FR who were cut from Founder cloth and ready for a fight, but now I’m not so sure.

Semper fi, FRiend


45 posted on 06/28/2012 6:25:09 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Public unions exist to protect the unions from the taxpaying public)
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To: taildragger
We are talking about unemployed and poor who have no money to take from. Many have no bank accounts and no jobs. The number of people meeting those qualifications has exploded under Obama. They have no way to pay. They will be sent to prison.
46 posted on 06/28/2012 6:30:49 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: USNBandit
That was not my comment, but thanks for posting those interesting numbers.

And you are correct. Healthcare costs of the plan will explode and are guaranteed to bankrupt the US. They were fools for not dropping universal health care after 3 nuclear reactors exploded at Fukushima. The number of cancer cases alone will significantly increase just from what has already been released. And the plant is on the verge of being abandoned due to high radiation levels.

47 posted on 06/28/2012 6:38:01 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: ArrogantBustard
If the Republicans have any brains at all, this idea will be central to their campaigns
I have a very strong fear that the Republicans don't have the brains to take advantage of this gift that's been handed to them.

I agree with Morris on this: as an American I see this decision as a tragedy; as a partisan I see it as an opportunity.

But as you say, it is only an opportunity if our side has the brains to take advantage of it.

48 posted on 06/28/2012 11:05:46 PM PDT by samtheman (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/21/obamas-socialist-designs/)
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To: BO Stinkss
All we need is 50 senators, with the VP being the tie breaker.

A repeal vote is also a simple majority, but how do you propose to deal with the inevitable Democrat filibuster without 2/3 of the Senate?

49 posted on 06/29/2012 4:52:12 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

Fillibuster is not possible now.
The ball is now in the Republicans’ court. They’ve already scheduled a repeal vote on July 11. Once before the Democrat-controlled Senate was able to scotch the effort by threat of filibuster. Had the mandate stood as mandate they could do so again. But now that it’s a tax, it can be passed by a simple majority.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/06/obamacare_things_are_now_up_for_grabs.html#ixzz1zDOSL7B9


50 posted on 06/29/2012 1:13:33 PM PDT by BO Stinkss
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