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Supreme Court Upholds Obamacare: What It Means, What Happens Next
Forbes.com ^ | 6/28/2012 | Daniel Fisher

Posted on 06/28/2012 6:13:19 PM PDT by Aquamarine

The U.S. Supreme Court today voted to uphold the Affordable Care Act, refusing to overturn the unpopular law and sending the issue back to voters to decide in the upcoming presidential election.

The 5-4 decision found the individual mandate at the heart of the law was a tax and therefore allowable under Congress’ constitutional power to levy taxes. Roberts joined the conservative wing in finding the law otherwise would have violated the Commerce Clause, however, by exceeding the power of Congress.

The decision is a victory for liberals who for decades had been pushing for a federal law to provide health insurance to every citizen. It’s also likely to be a boon for presidential hopeful Mitt Romney, who can now campaign even more vigorously on a platform of repealing the unpopular law –modeled, ironically enough, on one he signed as Massachusetts governor — and replace it with less intrusive measures. (Here’s my early take on the decision itself: “Roberts Upholds Obamacare, And the Court’s Authority, Too“)

The Supreme Court’s decision today leaves in place a highly complex law, many of whose most expensive provisions kick in in 2014. Here’s what to expect:

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; constitution; deathpanels; healthcare; obamacare; romneycare; romneycare4ever; romneycare4u; romneydeathpanels; tax; zerocare

1 posted on 06/28/2012 6:13:29 PM PDT by Aquamarine
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To: Aquamarine

We pay for abortions.


2 posted on 06/28/2012 6:14:25 PM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08.)
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To: Aquamarine

The fact that Roberts didn’t strike down Obamacare isn’t inherently a bad thing, IMHO. Why? The reason here is, he gave an interpretation of the law. Would anyone want someone to always be able to dictate laws from the bench? Would anyone disagree that the mandate really is a tax? Vote in the Senate, vote for the president, who BTW can actually appoint Supreme Court justices like Sotomayor, and so on.


3 posted on 06/28/2012 6:19:05 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Aquamarine

What comes next?

The killing expands to the old, the disabled, the sick, the injured vets and anyone who isn’t a Democrat, minority, muslim/Amish or illegal alien.

How supremely cunning of the AQ @ 1600 PA Av, to get us to kill ourselves with our own law.


4 posted on 06/28/2012 6:22:49 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Morpheus2009
Would anyone disagree that the mandate really is a tax?

I disagree. If it is a tax, then what kind of tax is it? I can't think of a single tax in existence today that taxes me for something I do not buy or for something I do not do. Can you give me an example of a tax like that?

5 posted on 06/28/2012 6:29:06 PM PDT by kevao
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To: kevao
...taxes me for something I do not buy or for something I do not do. Can you give me an example of a tax like that?

The islamic jizya.
6 posted on 06/28/2012 6:35:01 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: combat_boots

They’re going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg, they won’t understand that until it’s too late.


7 posted on 06/28/2012 6:37:30 PM PDT by Aquamarine (May the father of all mercies scatter light and not darkness in our paths ~ G. Washington)
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To: kevao

Sorry, tax increase.


8 posted on 06/28/2012 6:37:44 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: kevao

Look at your phone bill.


9 posted on 06/28/2012 7:18:51 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: combat_boots

Those that you speak of aren’t, for the most part, able to produce anything at all. The do not want us dead. We are their slaves through taxation. The supreme court has given the all the room they will ever need to try and tax us into submission.

They don’t like what we say. They can tax that and use the IRS to police us. They don’t like our guns they can levy property taxes on any gun you have and any ammunition you purchase (that is if you have enough left to purchase those things to begin with). The supreme court said it was okay that the constitution granted them unlimited power to tax us for absolutely anything they wanted to.

We must step up now and limit the governments power to levy taxes on us. We must police them. It is our job as citizens and the best way to that is limit their powers. Or they will kill off the old or the sick in order to protect their theft of anything good and decent in the world.


10 posted on 06/28/2012 7:20:04 PM PDT by formosa (Formosa)
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To: Terry Mross
Look at your phone bill.

What about my phone bill? I receive a phone bill, and pay the associated taxes, even for services I may never use, because I actively contacted the phone company and set up an account.

Try again.

11 posted on 06/28/2012 7:28:08 PM PDT by kevao
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To: Morpheus2009

After thinking and moping about all day on this SCOTUS ruling I have come from wanting to throttle Justice Roberts, to thinking he’s a freakin’ genius.

He’s handed the GOP plenty of weapons to win the Senate and put Mittens in the WHouse.

It’s a tax, Obama lied about no taxes, the cost increases, employers saying they will kill company insurance and pay the fines, er taxes...there’s lots more to this.

Roberts is screwing over Obammer for the disrespect shown by Obozamma at the SOTU speach.

FUBO!


12 posted on 06/28/2012 7:33:38 PM PDT by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President, FUBO! Treason is the Reason! Impeach the Kenyan)
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To: Aquamarine

All those young protesters cheering for Obamacare, wait until you have. Family and insurance becomes 1/3 of your total income. By the time they are my age they will face health care death panels.


13 posted on 06/28/2012 7:41:16 PM PDT by OldGoatCPO
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To: Aquamarine

Scott Walker said that WI will not implement obamacare. I don’t know if he means the medicaid expansion or the whole thing. I don’t understand the law. I’m not sure anybody understands this law fully.


14 posted on 06/28/2012 7:45:34 PM PDT by virgil
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To: Aquamarine

Scott Walker said that WI will not implement obamacare. I don’t know if he means the medicaid expansion or the whole thing. I don’t understand the law. I’m not sure anybody understands this law fully.


15 posted on 06/28/2012 7:45:34 PM PDT by virgil
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To: GRRRRR
November 2012

Not a fan of Romney, but Roberts just sealed the deal for him.

16 posted on 06/28/2012 7:46:28 PM PDT by NorCoGOP (Obama's approval ratings: so low that Kenyans now accuse him of being born in the USA)
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To: kevao

There’s a “Universal Service Fee” that’s been collected since the 1930s. I consider it a tax. Now, if you go to the gov website there are all kinds of charges on the phone bill that they’re quick to point out “this is not a tax because it’s not collected by the federal government”.


17 posted on 06/28/2012 8:16:04 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: Terry Mross
There’s a “Universal Service Fee” that’s been collected since the 1930s. I consider it a tax

You are actually using a phone in order to be taxed on it.....What are you consuming in order to be charged with this tax.....Air?

18 posted on 06/28/2012 8:18:43 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Terry Mross

I keep telling you, this is *not* an example. There was a time I did not have a telephone. Guess what? During that time I did *not* pay the Universal Service Fee. I pay the Universal Service Fee now though, but *only* because I contacted a phone company and set up an account.


19 posted on 06/28/2012 8:22:30 PM PDT by kevao
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To: kevao
Can you give me an example of a tax like that?

It's a poll tax, or "Tax per head." Very common throughout history. Margaret Thatcher actually got one passed for awhile.

Clicky Thingy.

20 posted on 06/28/2012 8:39:56 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Thanks. I know about polls taxes. I had been asking for an example of an existing tax that is anything like this individual mandate tax. Nobody — including Justice Roberts , btw— has been able to do so as of yet.


21 posted on 06/28/2012 8:45:09 PM PDT by kevao
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To: kevao

Would you call it a tax on existence? I see it that way. And it’s a “poll tax,” but not the kind associated with voting as the term has been applied in the US. In Europe, a “poll tax” is literally a head tax...a tax on existence.

I think it’s a bad idea, and it was so unpopular in the UK (It was called a Community Charge) it got Thatcher bounced out of office. It was repealed almost instantly when Majors took office. If BammyCare is understood as a tax here, it will be rightly seen as highly regressive. The poor will shoulder most of the burden. The Dems will be the ones fighting for repeal if this plays out well.


22 posted on 06/28/2012 8:56:53 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: kevao

This is such retarded thinking by Roberts...he correctly points our the Commerce Clause is crap but opens up the Pandora Box of TAX! HUH?

So IF the Commerce Clause is now void (some scraps for stupid so-called conservatives like George Will, NRO, et al) because of mandates, how is a tax structure able to take even more of our rights away?

I don’t like broccoli, are they going to tax me? Even the Commerce Clause can’t force me to do that.


23 posted on 06/28/2012 8:59:45 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useless and useful idiots.)
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To: kevao
PS...You ask about existing taxes. A poster above mentioned "Jizya" which is practiced by Muslims against infidels. I'm quite sure they still collect this tax.
24 posted on 06/28/2012 9:01:24 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Damn, when did the United States enact a Jizya tax?


25 posted on 06/28/2012 9:03:00 PM PDT by kevao
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To: kevao

Oh, NOW you want it to be limited to US? You didn’t specify that. Sorry, I missed it.

In the US, this is the only one right now. But there were others in the past, and in fact, it’s specifically allowed by the Constitution (A “Capitation tax”), as long as it followed the official decennial census’ apportionment. But my larger point was: This is going to really stick in a lot of craws, and the pressure to repeal will be immense and from unexpected quarters.


26 posted on 06/28/2012 9:11:18 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: GRRRRR

Agree! A gift that will keep on giving from now till Nov and beyond!


27 posted on 06/29/2012 3:30:33 PM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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