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Roberts Facing Medical Option on 2nd Seizure (2007)
NYT ^ | August 1, 2007 | DENISE GRADY and LAWRENCE K. ALTMAN

Posted on 06/28/2012 7:06:18 PM PDT by Nachum

Despite his quick recovery from the seizure he suffered on Monday, Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. faces a complex diagnosis and a difficult decision.

Because the seizure was his second — he had a similar one in 1993 — he meets the criteria for epilepsy, and he and his doctors will have to decide whether he should take medication to prevent further seizures, said neurologists not involved in his care. (Neither the chief justice nor his doctors would comment yesterday.)

The decision will involve weighing the risk of more seizures against the risk of side effects from the drugs. Major seizures can be a frightening and traumatic experience for patients and family members. Patients are advised to avoid heights and not to swim alone, and many states bar them from driving until they can provide evidence that the disease is under control.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: medical; roberts; robertsseizures; seizure
Drudge had this up on his site. Savage is blathering that his meds affected him. This is just FYI
1 posted on 06/28/2012 7:06:28 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Was it an illegal seizure?


2 posted on 06/28/2012 7:11:31 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: Nachum

Remember per the NYT and their fellow travelers, it’s only “bad” when drugs and epilepsy cause conservative judicial decisions, not liberal ones.


3 posted on 06/28/2012 7:12:32 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Nachum

It’s not about the seizures. It’s about the blackmail.

Roberts Flashback: NY TIMES INVESTIGATES ADOPTION RECORDS OF SUPREME COURT NOMINEE’S CHILDREN

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2900724/posts


4 posted on 06/28/2012 7:12:36 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Nachum

Bad luck to the bastard.


5 posted on 06/28/2012 7:15:54 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Nachum

2 bad decisions in one week made me wonder if Roberts has a brain tumor or something.

But I can’t trust anything Savage says, as we don’t know what he’ll throw in to increase his ratings.


6 posted on 06/28/2012 7:16:05 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Nachum
Major seizures can be a frightening and traumatic experience

Especially when you're only holding Jack high, and another player seizure bet and raises you.

7 posted on 06/28/2012 7:24:36 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Nachum

Hey, let me tell you about epilepsy. I am one. I haven’t had a seizure since I was approximately 21; then I had several at at my age of 65. I am living proof that the meds affect you. They are strong. You hardly remember what your name is or what you are thinking about. Your memory is so forgetful; you cry. I was out for about 22 days in the hospital. When I woke up I couldn’t walk. I can a little now; but wiil go into rehab. Believe me; it’s miserable.


8 posted on 06/28/2012 7:26:44 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Nachum

Does anybody KNOW for sure if Justice Roberts is On Epilepsy meds and if so which particular ones?

Because Anti Seizure, Epilepsy drugs are literally a sledge hammer to a person’s cognitive faculties, and could very well account for this unbelievable decision he delivered on O’Care.

The FDA has both Neurontin and Depakote down for CAUSING PSYCHOSIS.


9 posted on 06/28/2012 7:26:55 PM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: Nachum

The decision will involve weighing the risk of more seizures against the risk of side effects from the drugs.


Weigh the risks of having a seizure while crossing a street and being hit by a car, or risk the side effects of the drugs.

Weigh the risks of having a seizure while taking a shower and splitting your skull wide open, or risk the side effects of the drugs.

It’s a no brainer. Take the drugs. I had 4 grand mals before the damn VA doctors finally prescribed Dilantin for me. When I had them there was no chance to sit down or drab something. Down I went, and the crack of my head against the floor could be heard 100 feet away. Better to live with the drugs side effects than suffering major brain damage and ending up a drooling mess in a wheelchair. When I had one and was taken to the VA, I had a big laceration on my scalp where my head hit the floor. Damn VA nurses didn’t even clean it or put a bandage on it. Woke up with blood all over the pillow and my head stuck to the pillow.


10 posted on 06/28/2012 7:27:47 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: freekitty

Prayers up


11 posted on 06/28/2012 7:30:09 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: To-Whose-Benefit?

He has symptoms of having had a bad trip with Depakote. That means he’s having OTHER problems right along with the seizures ~ or he’d be using the gentler stuff.


12 posted on 06/28/2012 7:30:37 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: freekitty

Hey, let me tell you about epilepsy. I am one.


And the rest in here are making fun of the condition. Nice of them, eh?


13 posted on 06/28/2012 7:31:23 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Nachum

Sounds like it damaged his brain.


14 posted on 06/28/2012 7:31:28 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Nachum
I will weigh in on this very carefully... I am technically an epileptic myself...it doesn't make me an expert as I control my seizures through nutritional and natural methods, under the direction of my neurologist.

Yes, the epi-drugs do make you wonky. The drugs in my case seemed much worse than the seizures. I was working as a head bank teller at the time and being so wonked out by the drug I was on...lets say a lot of money got misplaced. All was recovered, but my realization that I could no longer do my job or handle money was frightening. I ended up quitting.

Two seizures 14 years apart is not something most people would even begin taking drugs over. Not if they did their homework or there was some underlying issue.

Even my own doctor chose to monitor me rather than trying another stronger course of drugs...as the drugs were causing the problem with cognitive functions.

BUT...during the postictal phase of seizures your brain functions are wonked out if you had a major seizure. You will be compromised for 24-72 hours. I have had seizures so severe as I have sat down and waited for God to show up thinking I had died. I won't recall the actual calender date ...even while looking at a calender. I won't recall what I did or what I have to do. The doctor tells me it is rare that I have memories of the postictal phase.

My point here being if Roberts has epilepsy and for some reason his medication is off...it is true...he won't be thinking correctly or clearly.

15 posted on 06/28/2012 7:34:21 PM PDT by EBH (Obama took away your American Dreams and replaced them with "Dreams from My (his) Father".)
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To: chessplayer
Hate to say it but almost all epileptics need a friend or two ~ so I did the friend thing a few times ~ old family custom to do this for folks with brain issues, retardation, illness ~

Not to digress but one fellow who came across our lives was a photocopier salesman who had his first epileptic seizure riding a bicycle on a sidewalk at rush hour near a busy street.

He said he spent several months in the hospital ~ on dilantin ~ then a predecessor to depakote (does same stuff but pretty rough on your system)

Traffic is a really tough environment for a seizure.

16 posted on 06/28/2012 7:35:25 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Nachum
Someone got to this SOB. I wouldn't be suprised if he announced that he is going to resign from the court so that obama can get another of his nominees on the court before his ass is kicked to the curb in November.

If this happens, there needs to be a thorough investigation. If there is no investigation, this could sow the seeds of rebelion.

17 posted on 06/28/2012 7:36:15 PM PDT by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: Nachum

Look, it’s day one, still, of a terrible assault by the Leftest side of the Supreme Court, against America as we knew it.

Now comes the Establishment Republicans talking about a big win for Romney in November, the rise of the TEA Party to get it done, that this was a GOOD THING politically speaking and how John Roberts is a genius of the highest order for throwing in with the Left on this one.

Nevermind that just yesterday, Lawrence Tribe claimed ole John as a student and expected him to come down on the side of Obamacare, and even Rush was told some time ago that of all the justices to watch, “watch Roberts”.

The Republicans will be rube hunting to win the White House on this crock, throwing some meat to the conservatives, as they stand there quite pleased that conservatives in Congress serve as no threat to their power, and that finally have hoisted a socialist to the top of ticket in their effort to move us to the Left.

Socialism comes of age in our party, and with Marxism already institutionalized to entrap on December 31st at midnight even more of the population by Obama fiat into the nanny state there will be no way to reverse the damages in a time of austerity, when we are owned lock, stock and barrel by China.


18 posted on 06/28/2012 7:38:26 PM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: To-Whose-Benefit?

Speaking as someone who routinely prescribes anti-epileptic drugs and who also orders neuropsychiatric testing on my patients, I can’t say I’d agree that anti-epileptics are a sledgehammer to cognition.

I have also never heard anything more than case reports of neurontin or depakote causing psychosis, and I prescribe them routinely. Not to say that psychosis and reduced cognitive function are directly related.

I have seen some adverse events with Keppra, but to attribute an eloquently written Supreme Court decision to a medication... I don’t think so. It’s just not going to happen.


19 posted on 06/28/2012 7:39:16 PM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: chessplayer

‘Woke up with blood all over the pillow and my head stuck to the pillow.’

Ouch.


20 posted on 06/28/2012 7:40:56 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: CaspersGh0sts

Sorry Dr., but I will dissent with your opinion.

Those drugs are tough on cognitive functions. The fact your patient doesn’t report the problems is anecdotal. Ask their spouse, friends, or employer...


21 posted on 06/28/2012 7:43:49 PM PDT by EBH (Obama took away your American Dreams and replaced them with "Dreams from My (his) Father".)
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To: muawiyah

He said he spent several months in the hospital ~ on dilantin ~ then a predecessor to depakote (does same stuff but pretty rough on your system)

Traffic is a really tough environment for a seizure.


I hope he’s ok, now. Thats what scares me the most,,,having one while crossing a street or having one in the shower. The last one I had I had walked to the grocery store and had it there. It could very well have been while crossing the street on the way to the store. Busy intersection and I could have been hit by a car or truck and been killed.


22 posted on 06/28/2012 7:48:28 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Nachum
Savage is blathering that his meds affected him.

It may have affected him, but no Justice (even the Chief) operates in a vacuum. He has top-notch Clerks and there are three strong Conservative and one leaning-Conservative Justice ... the idea that they wouldn't have been able to effect the outcome of his decision-making process is ludicrous.
23 posted on 06/28/2012 7:58:19 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: EBH

“Those drugs are tough on cognitive functions. The fact your patient doesn’t report the problems is anecdotal. Ask their spouse, friends, or employer...”

They can affect cognitive function, but on objective measures of cognitive functioning, including neuropsychiatric testing, the results haven’t been that impressive, especially with newer medications. For instance, neuropsychiatric testing results have shown improved neurocognitive functioning with lamotrigine or oxcarbazepoine but worsened function with older drugs such as topiramate. This is due to the differences in their actions.

I see a far greater decline in cognitive functioning in those with untreated epilepsy.

Even if you could say that Roberts might have had mild congitive slowing with an AED, attributing his decision to inattentiveness wouldn’t seem relevant.

I’d be far more likely to attribute it to a case of the “too clevers.”


24 posted on 06/28/2012 8:12:37 PM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: CaspersGh0sts

Then I suggest you go through just the Alphabetical listings of all the different, discrete AERs Medwatch gathered between 2004-2006

http://bonkersinstitute.org/depakoteffex.html
acute psychosis

http://bonkersinstitute.org/neurontineffex.html
acute psychosis

Use your browser’s find function and have a ball. There’s all Manner of noxious treats in store with that Rat S**t that you “Prescribe Routinely”

And Routinely is right. It’s All become “Routine” with over 40% of Doctors too lazy, crooked or stupid to even read the best bought & paid for FDA labels the makers can buy on drugs they “Prescribe Routinely”.
http://www.medpagetoday.com/ProductAlert/Prescriptions/15639

While I haven’t seen Justice Roberts actual written decision yet, the substantive eloquence of it so far is as eloquent as what drops out of the south end of a north bound horse.

You also order neuropsychiatric testing on your patients?

That Would explain how you can describe Roberts opinion as ‘Eloquent”.


25 posted on 06/28/2012 8:24:15 PM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: Nachum; donna

Seizures are likely demonic in nature.

It’s right there in the New Testament.


26 posted on 06/28/2012 8:29:12 PM PDT by One Name (Go to the enemy's home court and smoke his ass.)
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To: Nachum
Is he taking Statins for Cholesterol.?

FDA adds diabetes, memory loss warnings to statins Tue, Feb 28 2012

By Bill Berkrot and Ransdell Pierson

(Reuters) - Health regulators are adding warnings to the labels of widely used cholesterol lowering drugs, such as Lipitor, to say they may raise levels of blood sugar and could cause memory loss.

The Food and Drug Administration announced on Tuesday the changes to the safety information on the labels of statins such as Pfizer Inc's Lipitor, AstraZeneca's Crestor and Merck & Co's Zocor that are taken by tens of millions of people.

In addition, the FDA said labels for statin drugs now will contain information about patients experiencing memory loss and confusion,

27 posted on 06/28/2012 9:14:05 PM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: al baby

Thank you.


28 posted on 06/28/2012 9:23:31 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: jimbo123; LucyT; melancholy; azishot

Check out jimbo’s comment above.


29 posted on 06/28/2012 9:29:17 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

I did. Thanks, lj. I really don’t want to think the chicag0 thugs would use his kids but we all know they’ll do anything possible to anyone to get the results they want...the destruction of the country. He slept with the dogs and we wonder why he has fleas?


30 posted on 06/28/2012 10:49:59 PM PDT by azishot
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To: Nachum

After about a year of antiseizure drugs he will not be able to follow a complicated legal argument or reasoning. He will get worse so long as he is taking the drugs. They affect one’s visual perception and ability to remember words among other effects. One gets to feeling that one is retarded. One’s decision making ability declines to the point that one cannot make a decision. It is a bit like induced Alzheimer’s. You can come back out of it if you quit the drugs but it is gradual and not fast.


31 posted on 06/29/2012 4:28:50 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: chessplayer
I was in a head-on on the highway on my motorcycle in 72. GM seizures in 73. I was put on Dilantin and Tegretol. I was part of a study of Tranxene which was rejected for seizure control except it "worked" for me. Over the next 10 years or so I got progressively less able to function mentally. I got to where I could not make a decision. I just drifted into things. I could not hold a job. In 84 I went on a 2 week commercial fishing trip that lasted 6 weeks and I ran out of meds. I did not have a seizure until my first night home in bed. Without the meds I got a glimmer of thought and realized i had to decide whether to continue the drugs and slowly disappear in the fog or get off the meds and have the seizures. I managed to decide to taper off. Bad decision. I should have just quit. I tapered for a year with my wife controlling the taper. I finally got enough mental acuity back to be able to stop altogether. By 88 I was experiencing elation whenever I could see how a mechanism works or how to fix something, how things go together. By 95 or so I was able to argue politics again. I still had to read a text several times before I could remember what I read. I had one more seizure a month after that night after the fishing trip. The seizures themselves cause some of the same effects as the medicine.

Some traumatically induced epilepsy can heal slowly but once one is medicated for seizures a doctor will not allow one off the meds because if then one has an accident of any sort one can claim a seizure and sue the doctor.

32 posted on 06/29/2012 4:50:43 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: chessplayer

I was one. I have no problem with the jokes. That sort of “sensitivity” is silly.


33 posted on 06/29/2012 4:53:59 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: CaspersGh0sts

I was on Dilantin or years. It is not a sledgehammer. It is a progressively greater amount of lead weight continually applied to the mind. It does not level off. It continually gets heavier. I know two other people now who went on Dilantin and Depakote. They are experiencing the same thing. One describes it as being pushed further and further into a smaller and smaller hole. The other doesn’t talk much any more because she is afraid people will know she is stupid.I got to where I was forgetting nouns as in Alzheimer’s.


34 posted on 06/29/2012 5:02:59 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: chessplayer

I had one on a boat dock a a marina and did not fall into the water. The deputy that was summoned wanted to arrest me for drunk but was overruled by the EMT. Most of mine were apparently outside stimulation and by the slightest sip of alcohol. The alcohol induced events ended after two of them and awareness of that problem.


35 posted on 06/29/2012 5:08:07 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: chessplayer

I had one on a boat dock at a marina and did not fall into the water. The deputy that was summoned wanted to arrest me for drunk but was overruled by the EMT. Most of mine were apparently induced by outside stimulation and by the slightest sip of alcohol. The alcohol induced events ended after two of them and awareness of that problem.


36 posted on 06/29/2012 5:08:35 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: arthurus

After about a year of antiseizure drugs he will not be able to follow a complicated legal argument or reasoning. He will get worse so long as he is taking the drugs. They affect one’s visual perception and ability to remember words among other effects. One gets to feeling that one is retarded. One’s decision making ability declines to the point that one cannot make a decision. It is a bit like induced Alzheimer’s. You can come back out of it if you quit the drugs but it is gradual and not fast.


Making it up as you go along, aren’t you?


37 posted on 06/29/2012 5:08:47 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Making it up as you go along, aren’t you?
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Never been there or known anyone who has been there or is there, have you?


38 posted on 06/29/2012 8:44:25 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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