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Dem Rep: Now Let's Unionize Doctors
breitbart.com/ ^ | June 28 2012 | breitbart.com/

Posted on 06/28/2012 8:39:21 PM PDT by NoLibZone

"In Israel, when doctors went on strike, health outcomes were better. Though I'm not advocating that." - Jan Schakowsky (D-IL)

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TOPICS: Extended News; Israel; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: abortion; commieschakowsky; deathpanels; doctors; illinois; israel; janschakowsky; obamacare; zerocare

1 posted on 06/28/2012 8:39:23 PM PDT by NoLibZone
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To: NoLibZone
They will probably be on strike against Obamacare soon.
2 posted on 06/28/2012 8:50:54 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: NoLibZone

OMG......... is this so called representative to our great nation from a safe Dem seat in November or is she vulnerable to being bumped by a pubbie?

I need details, Illinois, please.

She was on the steps of the SC today hollaring that she was thrilled with the outcome. Disgusting.


3 posted on 06/28/2012 8:51:37 PM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (If we don't help make a change, then who will? It starts with us.)
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To: NoLibZone
""In Israel, when doctors went on strike, health outcomes were better. Though I'm not advocating that." - Jan Schakowsky (D-IL)"

That's incorrect. Immediate mortality would have decreased slightly since mortality in the perioperative period is actually zero (0) if no surgery is performed. But after a few days, mortality should snowball. ie, the patients with appendicitis that's not treated -- begin to die.

Either way, since the gov't restricted the supply of US doctors about 20 years ago, most who choose to stay in practice under Obamacare won't have any time to spend on a picket line.

4 posted on 06/28/2012 8:53:58 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: NoLibZone
They already have one. It's called the AMA.



Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

5 posted on 06/28/2012 9:00:19 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Vince Ferrer
They will probably be on strike against Obamacare soon.

nope, my doctor said he is leaving the country to work w/o government mandates, I'm not kidding, he said to look for another doctor and good luck.

he said it cost hm money to see Medicare patients and if Obamacare is passed at the sc, he's gone. I don't blame him.

6 posted on 06/28/2012 9:25:25 PM PDT by MrPiper
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To: MrPiper

American’s who want certain procedures (ie. pace maker at age 80 or more) will be having to leave the country to get it done.


7 posted on 06/28/2012 9:54:35 PM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: Sooth2222
I have been a General Surgeon/Trauma Surgeon since 1981. I am out. The dimunition of pay, the constant threat of lawsuit, the angry patients. You know, Obama did not ask if I wanted to be a part of his medical army. I am getting out. No more night calls to come in the treat a gunshot wound for which I will not be paid. No more threat from that same drunk that he will sue me.

I will tell you a true story. In 1986, or thereabouts, I was called to the ER where I met a crying, snivelling drunk. In his hands and lower arm was about 4 feet of coiled up small intestine. He was crying and screaming, "Doc, don't let me die!" "Don't let me die!" The reason he was holding his guts is that he was caught by an irate husband of a woman who this guy was.....amorous. So I took him back to OR and repaired several perforations in his bowel, washed his peritoneal cavity, drained the belly and he went to recovery. Postoperatively he was a pain in the ass, timing his demands for morphine IV q4h. He did well, not so much as a fever. He was discharged about 5 days later with instructions to see me in my office in 2 weeks. He called my office or had me paged almost every day demanding drugs. I told him he should not be having much pain, sore..yes, but visceral pain....no. But I did refill his prescription twice over the ensuing 6 weeks post op. I discdharged him from my care with instructions to follow up with his family physician.

Word got back to me that he had showed back up at the Armadillo Lounge two weeks after the stabbing, was seen with his feet up on a table, leaning back in a chair, drinking a 'screwdriver', and declaring, "The Doc has me on a strict orange juice diet."

So, he brought it on himself, he obtained surgical care and paid nothing, either to me or the hospital,...but he had plenty of money for vodka and cigarettes.

Another story.....I received a call that I had 2 gunshot wounds in the ER. These two (one male and one female) had tried to invade an old black gentleman one Halloween night, got him down, and was trying to beat and rob him. He was no stranger to this type of activity. He pulled a 38 out and shot the male who had him on his back...the bulled went through his groin penetrating his femoral vein, on into the urinary bladder, through several loops of small bowel, through the sigmoid colon, exited the back posteriorly and then entered his female accomplice going into her belly, hitting only a few loops of small bowel.

The male was bleeding like a stuck hog from the femoral vein injury. Once that vessel had been addressed, I then repaired the bladder, and then addressed the peritoneal cavity. I clamped the perforation of the sigmoid colon to stop any fecal leak, then repaired the perforted small bowel, then performed a barrel colostomy with a blind poudch (surgeons will know this as a Hartmann Proceedure).

Now, unless you have dealt with a large vein massive injury, you cannot understand the volumn of blood which is lost. I had blood soak through my gown, my underwear, my shirt. It took quiet a while to get that under control. My assistant nurse, who was 8 months pregnant (excellent surgical nurse)...she was soaked in blood. We gave him 12 units of packed RBCs, platelets, and fresh frozen plasma. Finally we got it controlled and we felt we had a good chance. After about 5 hours of surgery we finished.

After surgery this nurse came to me while I was writing orders and said he thought this was a fellow she had gone to high school with. Indeed she had. His first name was Chris. She said, while in high school he was known as Christine. He was homosexual. Turned out he was under treatment for AIDS. He also tested positive for syphilis. He never told us in the EF. So....my nurses baby was put at risk, the nurse, myself, were all soaked in HIV blood. (After this I took the female to the OR.....repaired her bowel she was fine). My nurse told me that was her last surgery.

I never got paid, I did get the liability...The patient did recover...and went to prison. But after 6 months his sister came to me...said he was doing fine in prison, and that he wanted me to take down his colostomy and reanastomose the colon to the rectal stump. I told her I did not work in the prison system...that they had surgeons to do this....but he did not want that....he wanted me to do. Now, mind you he had not paid me. But at my refusal, he instructed his sister to tell me that he was going to sue me. He never did, but that did not abate the fear for months that I would be expecting a server come to my office and serve papers on me. He had no downside. Any threat of lawsuit requires I report it immediately to my insurance company. My premiums went up $12,000 that next year.

So....I am out. It is a risk/reward thing.

What Obama has visited on the public, they will not like. It will rapidly become rationed, then denial of care. It will be paid for in mysery, paid for in early and unnecessary death, and it will be what has been forseen and fortold and that the public has been forwarned. But,...ITS FREE! That is all that counts.

Obama said, "I'm from the government and I am here to help you." The most boistrous of the public has said they will vote themselves borrowed money from the future children's largess. This cannot and will not be without social forces which will be unleashed. The young, through no fault of their own, but through fault of their partents and grandparents will be required to pay or service this debt. They should refuse to do so.

I have always thought the American Dream was that parents had the opportunity to provide a better future for their kids that they had. That dream is dead. A nearly 16 trillion dollar short-term debt has seen to that. As that great poet, Robert Earl Keene said, "The Road Goes on Forever, and Party Never Ends". So far, so good. But even Q/E to infinity will have to fall to earth. And Robert Earl needs to study a little cosmology and understand that there are no actual infinits....only in the abstract does infinity exist. There is going to be one hellova hangover.

8 posted on 06/28/2012 10:17:50 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (Ia)
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To: Sooth2222
I have been a General Surgeon/Trauma Surgeon since 1981. I am out. The dimunition of pay, the constant threat of lawsuit, the angry patients. You know, Obama did not ask if I wanted to be a part of his medical army. I am getting out. No more night calls to come in the treat a gunshot wound for which I will not be paid. No more threat from that same drunk that he will sue me.

I will tell you a true story. In 1986, or thereabouts, I was called to the ER where I met a crying, snivelling drunk. In his hands and lower arm was about 4 feet of coiled up small intestine. He was crying and screaming, "Doc, don't let me die!" "Don't let me die!" The reason he was holding his guts is that he was caught by an irate husband of a woman who this guy was.....amorous. So I took him back to OR and repaired several perforations in his bowel, washed his peritoneal cavity, drained the belly and he went to recovery. Postoperatively he was a pain in the ass, timing his demands for morphine IV q4h. He did well, not so much as a fever. He was discharged about 5 days later with instructions to see me in my office in 2 weeks. He called my office or had me paged almost every day demanding drugs. I told him he should not be having much pain, sore..yes, but visceral pain....no. But I did refill his prescription twice over the ensuing 6 weeks post op. I discdharged him from my care with instructions to follow up with his family physician.

Word got back to me that he had showed back up at the Armadillo Lounge two weeks after the stabbing, was seen with his feet up on a table, leaning back in a chair, drinking a 'screwdriver', and declaring, "The Doc has me on a strict orange juice diet."

So, he brought it on himself, he obtained surgical care and paid nothing, either to me or the hospital,...but he had plenty of money for vodka and cigarettes.

Another story.....I received a call that I had 2 gunshot wounds in the ER. These two (one male and one female) had tried to invade an old black gentleman one Halloween night, got him down, and was trying to beat and rob him. He was no stranger to this type of activity. He pulled a 38 out and shot the male who had him on his back...the bulled went through his groin penetrating his femoral vein, on into the urinary bladder, through several loops of small bowel, through the sigmoid colon, exited the back posteriorly and then entered his female accomplice going into her belly, hitting only a few loops of small bowel.

The male was bleeding like a stuck hog from the femoral vein injury. Once that vessel had been addressed, I then repaired the bladder, and then addressed the peritoneal cavity. I clamped the perforation of the sigmoid colon to stop any fecal leak, then repaired the perforted small bowel, then performed a barrel colostomy with a blind poudch (surgeons will know this as a Hartmann Proceedure).

Now, unless you have dealt with a large vein massive injury, you cannot understand the volumn of blood which is lost. I had blood soak through my gown, my underwear, my shirt. It took quiet a while to get that under control. My assistant nurse, who was 8 months pregnant (excellent surgical nurse)...she was soaked in blood. We gave him 12 units of packed RBCs, platelets, and fresh frozen plasma. Finally we got it controlled and we felt we had a good chance. After about 5 hours of surgery we finished.

After surgery this nurse came to me while I was writing orders and said he thought this was a fellow she had gone to high school with. Indeed she had. His first name was Chris. She said, while in high school he was known as Christine. He was homosexual. Turned out he was under treatment for AIDS. He also tested positive for syphilis. He never told us in the EF. So....my nurses baby was put at risk, the nurse, myself, were all soaked in HIV blood. (After this I took the female to the OR.....repaired her bowel she was fine). My nurse told me that was her last surgery.

I never got paid, I did get the liability...The patient did recover...and went to prison. But after 6 months his sister came to me...said he was doing fine in prison, and that he wanted me to take down his colostomy and reanastomose the colon to the rectal stump. I told her I did not work in the prison system...that they had surgeons to do this....but he did not want that....he wanted me to do. Now, mind you he had not paid me. But at my refusal, he instructed his sister to tell me that he was going to sue me. He never did, but that did not abate the fear for months that I would be expecting a server come to my office and serve papers on me. He had no downside. Any threat of lawsuit requires I report it immediately to my insurance company. My premiums went up $12,000 that next year.

So....I am out. It is a risk/reward thing.

What Obama has visited on the public, they will not like. It will rapidly become rationed, then denial of care. It will be paid for in mysery, paid for in early and unnecessary death, and it will be what has been forseen and fortold and that the public has been forwarned. But,...ITS FREE! That is all that counts.

Obama said, "I'm from the government and I am here to help you." The most boistrous of the public has said they will vote themselves borrowed money from the future children's largess. This cannot and will not be without social forces which will be unleashed. The young, through no fault of their own, but through fault of their partents and grandparents will be required to pay or service this debt. They should refuse to do so.

I have always thought the American Dream was that parents had the opportunity to provide a better future for their kids that they had. That dream is dead. A nearly 16 trillion dollar short-term debt has seen to that. As that great poet, Robert Earl Keene said, "The Road Goes on Forever, and Party Never Ends". So far, so good. But even Q/E to infinity will have to fall to earth. And Robert Earl needs to study a little cosmology and understand that there are no actual infinits....only in the abstract does infinity exist. There is going to be one hellova hangover.

9 posted on 06/28/2012 10:17:50 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (Ia)
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To: Texas Songwriter

Thank you for all the service you have rendered to your fellow human beings. God bless you.


10 posted on 06/28/2012 10:49:53 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: NoLibZone
A Federal Government isn't working out like it was supposed to.

The States that formed it should get rid of it.

It's not working for the States anymore.

/johnny

11 posted on 06/28/2012 10:53:38 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Texas Songwriter
I've got a stainless steel staple that shouldn't be there. Sub q.

I'll trade 2 dozen eggs, a gallon of 8%, and 2 oz of tobacco for you to remove it.

My LVN neigbor has offered to remove it, but I'm not sure exactly what it's attached to. My balls might fall off, my ovaries might fall out.... I'm big on someone that knows at least looking and approving a procedure.

/johnny

12 posted on 06/28/2012 11:02:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: NoLibZone

There already is a strike. Try finding a doctor willing to take Medicaid or even Medicare.


13 posted on 06/28/2012 11:09:20 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: NoLibZone

And then they can give money to liberal Democrat campaigns. :)

Thank you moderates and RINOs. :)


14 posted on 06/28/2012 11:39:22 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: Texas Songwriter
Prayers your way, I'm horrified that our nation has fallen so far as to make a noble pursuit such as practicing medicine untenable.

I'd say more, mostly out of anger, but it'd spoil the intent of this post, which is genuine remorse for you and all Americans.

15 posted on 06/29/2012 4:07:24 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: NoLibZone

The AMA agrees. Docs should be time clock punchers beholden to the communists that employ and direct them. Health care will be as great and professional as public education. No way around it.


16 posted on 06/29/2012 10:57:32 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

Eventually the government will nationalize the industry, where they will offer to pay for medical school, but you will have to go where they tell you to go once you graduate.


17 posted on 06/29/2012 10:58:47 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: dfwgator

And you will have to murder people as order, too.


18 posted on 06/29/2012 11:05:38 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: NoLibZone

This month my GP went on permanent strike. He took an early retirement


19 posted on 06/29/2012 9:00:25 PM PDT by oyez ( .Apparently The U.S. CONSTITUTION has been reduced to the consistency of quicksand.)
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To: Texas Songwriter

This hospitalist is out as well. Been in practice since 89. Retirement date 1/1/14. Kids are in college and I wish I could work a few more years, but I will find something to do. What I will not do is spend the last 5-10 years of my career working for uncle Sam

And for the beaurocrat who wants to unionize docs, screed many years in management/administration in the company I work for and my hospital, I can indeed attest to the fact that managing doctors is like herding cats. It is a painful experience. I wish her well. (not)


20 posted on 06/29/2012 9:08:45 PM PDT by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: Texas Songwriter

Wow. You should call Rush, Levin, or Hannity with your story. More people need to hear what you are saying.


21 posted on 06/29/2012 9:21:18 PM PDT by abishai
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To: Mom MD
I guess I am a little older than you. I have 3 kids in college, 1 law school, 1 theology school, 1 working on Accounting/CPA. I would have liked to worked about 4 more years , but it will be OK.

People do not realize that everyone gets treated now. You and I are providing probono care and the hospitals eat their loss. Now, rationing is going to piss off everyone, except those who are treated by people who opt out...that is people willing to pay for their service. The wealthy will still get theirs. The rest are thrown into a large pool. They will pick the pockets of the payors. There will be nothing constraining a visits for the smallest hangnail. After all it is a RIGHT. Obama and the dems have destroyed what was the best (albeit flawed) health care delivery system in the world. I have never been called to the ER and refused a patient. Not ever. And I have treated a lot of people who had no buisness in the ER. Now, I predict, hospital ERs will buldge at the seams with 3 times the number of untreated patients. Waiting will be the currency of the patients. If I go to the ER I will declare I have chest pain, I am short of breath...I think I am having a heart attack....that should get you to the front of the line. But, that would not be the right thing to do.

I do not see anyone with an answer once this Roberts Tax/Medical Law in implemented. We will never go back. I really do worry for my kids futures. It seeems they are trying to destabilize society so they can 'reshouffle' the deck and reorder society. This is just part of getting the electorates 'mind right'. I am not optimistic.

Good luck to you and yours.

22 posted on 06/29/2012 9:26:02 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (Ia)
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To: NoLibZone
 

23 posted on 06/29/2012 9:39:36 PM PDT by potlatch (~~And the truth IS what counts, RIGHT ? ~~)
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To: abishai

These are 2 examples of stories I have....There are 1000 others I could tell you. All surgeons have similar stories. Mine are not unique. I have been very fortunant. I have had a great run...a great practice, and mostly enjoyed my work. The paperwork is a pain in the ass, but that is part of it. I figure I have done somewhere between 10-12 million dollars (in terms of usual and customary fees) in gratuity. I always felt it was part of my way of paying back for my good fortune. But it is falling apart before our eyes. I have watched the decay since the DRGs were imposed on medicine....and from there it has accellerated in governmental impositions. Now, it has arrived, for me,...I don’t need this anymore. When I was a young surgeon I enjoyed the thrill of getting in, fixing whatever need fixing. I was cocksure I could fix it...no matter what it was. Now it is just work, mostly unappreciated and uncompensated. I go out at night and even if I am home in a few hours I don’t sleep well. And with an office full tomorrow, I will be 48 hours recouping. I don’t mean this as a complaint...I just realize I am getting to the point....like B.B.King said, the thrill has gone. There will be life after surgery. I have a great family. My wife is as close to perfect as anyone can be. And I have a pasture full of Angus cattle to keep me busy. The surgeries will be done,....just not by me. I am outta here.


24 posted on 06/29/2012 9:46:07 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (Ia)
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To: Texas Songwriter

Thank you for sharing your story.

Thank you for your service.

Good luck in going Galt.


25 posted on 06/29/2012 9:51:01 PM PDT by Cruising For Freedom
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To: Texas Songwriter

And good luck to you as well. I’m in a similar position. 3 kids. The oldest about to make me a grandma. The middle son halfway through his theology degree, with four years of SE,unary after that. And my youngest just finished her first year majoring in pre-med and ballet. I hope she chooses dance because I am afraid the medical field has little to offer her

DH and I (both hospitalists) would ideally work at least part time for 7 more years until the last one is out of school. But we are gone in 2014 unless this mess gets repealed. We will work something out....


26 posted on 06/29/2012 9:54:12 PM PDT by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: Mom MD

4 years of seminary. It’s getting late and my typing skills are deteriorating


27 posted on 06/29/2012 9:55:40 PM PDT by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks NoLibZone.


28 posted on 06/30/2012 8:50:51 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Texas Songwriter

thanks for the front-lines story.

i’m frightened by the prospect of skills like yours becoming scarce in the future.


29 posted on 06/30/2012 12:08:53 PM PDT by vmpolesov
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Starve the bastards!

Be "selective" in all your associations, business, hiring, buying, shopping.

Barter, swap, more "gifting" and "receiving".

Fly under the radar.

God be with you.


30 posted on 06/30/2012 12:47:31 PM PDT by devolve (-------------- ------- now_there_will_be_blood----------- ---------------------)
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor

Redistricting moved me from the 10th District (RINO Kirk then Dold) to the 9th District (Schakowsky Commie - IL). Unfortunately, she’s won the last couple of times with about 75% of the vote. Her husband’s a convicted criminal. The district’s probably now slightly more Republican but it will be almost impossible to defeat her.


31 posted on 07/01/2012 9:41:36 PM PDT by Richard from IL
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