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I call for a Constitutional Convention (vanity)
Vanity | 06/29/2012 | Buffaloguy

Posted on 06/29/2012 10:32:59 AM PDT by buffaloguy

I think it is time for the states to call for a Constitutional Convention. The Congress, the Executive and now the Supreme Court has overstepped their bounds.

For my first amendment:

Each Justice of the Supreme Court shall serve two terms only of two years duration. They shall stand for election by vote of the Electoral College.

Comments: As we see in this SCOTUS decision, the SCOTUS can do so much damage in such a short period that their terms should be reviewed every two years.

Additional Amendment:

Neither the Congress, nor the Executive nor the Courts in aggregate shall expend nor cause to be expended more than 15.6% of Gross Domestic Product in any one year, except in time of war. "Time of War" in this context shall be defined as those armed conflicts in which a Declaration of War has been passed by both Houses of Congress.

Comments: 15.6% has been judged to be an optimal tax rate: Minimum effect on business and maximum contribution to government coffers. This also requires Social Security to be taken from any government control and privatized so that the individual may manage their own accounts. Current returns on SS amounts to 1.4%. Bad, really bad.

What amendments would you like to see passed?

BuffaloGuy


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: biggovernment; incompetence; johnrobertsblowsit; supremecourt; vanity
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I think it is time to examine where we wish to go in the future and provide for the freedom of our children.
1 posted on 06/29/2012 10:33:10 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: buffaloguy
It's going to wind up being written by the New BlacKKK Racists, but that's OK, as long as your heart is in the right place.
2 posted on 06/29/2012 10:35:37 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: buffaloguy
I THINK THAT YOU ARE CORRECT. WHERE DO WE GO WHEN THE UNITED STATES HAS TURNED ITS’ BACK ON LIBERTY!?
3 posted on 06/29/2012 10:36:01 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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You are referring, of course, to the Constitution's own ultimate remedy for protection of "the People's" rights in Article V.

What a marvelous document that original Constitution is. It relies, of course, on those Justice Story described as "its only KEEPERS" ("Commentaries on the Constitution. . . .").

4 posted on 06/29/2012 10:37:03 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: buffaloguy

2nded! We must restore a Constitution of Civil Government!

Convention for we have nothing to lose.


5 posted on 06/29/2012 10:38:53 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: buffaloguy

We have a Constitution? Get outta town! Seriously? C’mon, you’re kidding me, right? Whodda thunk it! LOL

No need to amend it, it only gets ignored. Why, think of it. If we want a Constitution, we can have it but we must be taxed to pay for it.


6 posted on 06/29/2012 10:39:19 AM PDT by RonInNaples
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To: buffaloguy
Why not just scrape the recent excrement away and dust off the Constitution we have and use it?

Frankly, we do not live in a time where enough statesmen can be found who will refuse to write in self-interest and produce a document as well thought out as the one the Founders gave us.

7 posted on 06/29/2012 10:39:59 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: buffaloguy

SCOTUS first kicked Arizona, and then the rest of working-class America, squarely in the balls.


8 posted on 06/29/2012 10:40:46 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (Today if you invent a better mousetrap, the government comes along with a better mouse. RReagan)
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To: buffaloguy

Are you insane!!! Once a Constitutional convention is under way there is no way to control anything in it & with the mouth breathing ,donkey dick sucking embarassments that are the GOP~e representing us do you actually think you & your children would have any liberty left at all in any way shape or form?


9 posted on 06/29/2012 10:44:07 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner
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To: buffaloguy

If we have a Constitutional Convention, we will not like the results. The liberals will prevail with their own version.


10 posted on 06/29/2012 10:44:19 AM PDT by kabar
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To: buffaloguy

Term limits for Senate and House.


11 posted on 06/29/2012 10:45:35 AM PDT by Rio (Tempis fugit.)
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To: buffaloguy

Yeah, then Ruth Bader Ginsberg can have her dream of a Consittution more like South Africa, and Obama can get rid of those pesky “negative rights” that limit what government can do “for” you.


12 posted on 06/29/2012 10:45:43 AM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: buffaloguy
Only after the shooting war determines what the outcome of that convention would be.

The current Constitution was written well, is clear as day, and if followed (minus the 16th and 17th amendments) would remain a near perfect framework.

The problem isn't that we lack a well written contract, the problem is that we lack an intellectually honest rule of law to enforce it.

13 posted on 06/29/2012 10:45:49 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Monorprise

We have nothing to loose with a constitutional convention? We have everything to loose as those that want to destroy this country will add all of their favorite items! I say not a good idea at this time.


14 posted on 06/29/2012 10:47:17 AM PDT by elephant
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To: buffaloguy
We only need to repeal an Amendment or two, primarily the sixteenth and perhaps the seventeenth.

Don't expect that to occur until we correct our moral decline though. Until then, the wraths only get worse.

15 posted on 06/29/2012 10:47:41 AM PDT by Errant
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To: buffaloguy

That’s like fixing a clock with a double jack.


16 posted on 06/29/2012 10:48:17 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: buffaloguy
We don't need a constitutional convention. WAY TOO DANGEROUS.

We could pass amendments without a convention.

Specifically,


17 posted on 06/29/2012 10:49:51 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: buffaloguy

other than our current one being completely ignored..

whats wrong with it?


18 posted on 06/29/2012 10:52:47 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: buffaloguy

We don’t need a Constitutional Convention. We need to enforce The Constitution we already have - either through rule of law, or some other means.


19 posted on 06/29/2012 10:56:02 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Get that bastard out of MY White House!")
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To: buffaloguy

Another one:

All laws passed by Congress shall apply to Congressmen and Congresswomen and their organizations.


20 posted on 06/29/2012 10:59:11 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Nebr FAL owner

Yep. We’d get a document that eliminates the 2nd Amendment, enshrines abortion and environmental moonbattery, requires “fairness” in everything except as it relates to our elected overlords, etc.


21 posted on 06/29/2012 10:59:19 AM PDT by DaveInDallas
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To: buffaloguy

I think we should try a Constitutional Convention. If it doesn’t fly, then we do have one other option. I agree with you and I want my child to grow up in the constitutional republic that our framers intended for Us to have.


22 posted on 06/29/2012 11:00:19 AM PDT by C.O. Correspondence (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time...)
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To: buffaloguy

ConCon would end in total disaster and catastrophe.

There is ONE fix that would correct soooo much of this crap.

REPEAL THE 17TH AMENDMENT.

If you understand republican government, think through what returning SELECTION of senators by the states TO the states.

The progressives knew what they were doing when they jammed through the 17th and drove a stake through the heart of the process of the individual states selecting senators, by having senators ELECTED by popular vote.

Think about it. The best example of the result of repealing the 17th is that it would probably put an end to the likes of Chucky Schmuky Chumer. He keeps getting re-elected because of the all the dumb a$$es in Manhattan and Buffalo. The rest of New York state be damned. If the New York state legislature were to make that decision, the voices of the rest of the state would have a far greater impact. Not saying they would always do the right thing, but it would go a long way toward crippling career senators. Like Dingy Harry.

A senator’s term would be valid only until a new governor would take office. And most governors of most states are term limited.

The Senate approves judges. The Senate puts impeached judges and presidents on trial. The Senate, populated by people beholden to the states themselves and not illegal alien voters (think that fish faced wannabe commie-dian from Minnesota, Al Frumpen)would be able to fight back against the tyrant.

End of rant.


23 posted on 06/29/2012 11:01:24 AM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimze, my handle is a Hate Crime. Hope they don't like it.)
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To: buffaloguy

Another amendment which might have a good effect:

The Congress will meet in a regular 140-day session every two years, convening on the second Tuesday in January of every odd-numbered year. The President can also call additional special sessions as necessary, which cannot exceed 30 days.

This is the Texas plan.... it works.


24 posted on 06/29/2012 11:02:14 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: buffaloguy
Forget a convention. The Poor Peoples Party will prevail with all sorts of things you'll hate.

I propose the path in the D.O.I

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,

25 posted on 06/29/2012 11:03:53 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Another day. Another small provocation. Another step closer.)
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To: buffaloguy
please refer to Patrick Henry's argument in the state house of Virgina favoring the acceptance of the Second Amendment. Then refer to Thomas Jefferson's remarks of what the people should do if / when the government becomes the over taxing liberty stealing behemoth that it has become today. A Constitutional convention in the current state of this government will put the Second Amendment front and center for removal. Once it's gone, all hope of retaining any liberty is gone. Too many people have already died defending our Constitutional liberties. We should forever honor their sacrifices and today do what ever is necessary to restore Constitutional Law and liberty to the United States of America.
26 posted on 06/29/2012 11:04:52 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: ConradofMontferrat

The 17th amendment does need to be repealed: It turned Senators from being “State Animals” to them being “Federal Animals”. They now work for the Feds, not the states.


27 posted on 06/29/2012 11:04:58 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: buffaloguy; Travis McGee

Want to know what a Constitutional Convention would look like?

Read this:

http://enemiesforeignanddomestic.com/FESP.htm


28 posted on 06/29/2012 11:05:33 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: buffaloguy

I’ve had this thought many times before. But consider what happened when the European Union tried to write one several years ago. A total mess. No one could agree, and so the elites wrote a phone book full of micromanagement, which was rejected. The same thing would happen to us.

I would prefer a partition, with those who wished to live by the Bible and the U.S. Constitution could live in the larger landmass, and the freaks, welfare creeps, misfits, feminists, anarchists and lawyers could all go to California and stay there. One day it will fall into the ocean.

No offense to California freepers. Just reverse the process that got you there — Eastward Ho!


29 posted on 06/29/2012 11:06:25 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: Rio
Term limits for Senate and House.

The only earthly solution.

30 posted on 06/29/2012 11:08:17 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: elephant

What could they possibly add beyond literally everything that Dictator John Roberts has already “added”?

This is not merely a good idea, it is an essential idea if we are to have ANY limits at all upon the government.

At least in Convention Our states are equal and reserve the right to withdraw as individuals. The union thus can be said for that moment alone to have the consent of the governed.


31 posted on 06/29/2012 11:10:07 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: buffaloguy

Replaced the current income tax with a flat income tax with a permantently capped 10% tax rate. The rate can only go between 0.00% and 10.00%. Then on every single tax return there is a form you fill out to decide where your tax money goes to as broken down between national defense, infrastructure, welfare, etc.... Also make withholding taxes from paychecks illegal and make taxes due every quarter.

IN addition if a government program doesn’t get enough money it has to downsize the next quarter. If the program gets more money than it has budgeted it MUST refund that money back to the tax payer.

That would keep taxes down and defund unpopular government programs.


32 posted on 06/29/2012 11:11:35 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: DannyTN
Congress & President will never willingly initiate amendmentment that limits their power. The only other way to change the Constitution is via the convention process initiated by the States.

I use to think that it was too dangerous as well but after recent rulings and a President that is not held accountable. Things have gotten out of hand, this system doesn't appear to be working. So does it really that it is a great document when our leaders don't follow it.

33 posted on 06/29/2012 11:13:04 AM PDT by WHBates
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To: Albion Wilde

“Term limits for Senate and House.
The only earthly solution.”

Not nearly enough, the senate will still be comprised of Federal agents lawlessly voting away our rights according to the passions of power & mob.


34 posted on 06/29/2012 11:13:25 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: SampleMan
The current Constitution was written well, is clear as day, and if followed (minus the 16th and 17th amendments) would remain a near perfect framework.

And 14th Amd.

It could also use amendments:
-- Prohibiting the congress from assuming any debts which would cause the total debts to exceed, say, 110% of the physical monies in the treasury.
-- Defining the dollar in terms of a weight of [very pure] gold, and exempting that weight from being modified by Congress's ability to regulate weights.
-- Allowing for a "jury of states" to overturn USSC rulings; or perhaps some mechanism for them to force the USSC to re-hear cases.
-- Explicitly limiting, or otherwise removing the commerce clause.
-- Repealing the 11th(?) Amendment and instituting a run-off pool wherein a congressman leaving the house in an election not won forfeits his further votes thereon. (preventing the same deadlock with Jefferson/Burr[?]) This would also restore the runner-up for president as VP.

35 posted on 06/29/2012 11:16:36 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Albion Wilde

“Term limits for Senate and House.
The only earthly solution.”

Not nearly enough, the senate will still be comprised of Federal agents lawlessly voting away our rights according to the passions of power & mob.

We need a competitive power interest in the senate to keep power local! Only by having power local can we as individuals defend our rights practically and continuously with our feet.

Repeal the 17th amendment and make the Senate ambassadors of State Governments. Let our own State government’s greed for power serve as that constant force to keep Washington respectful of our self-government rights.


36 posted on 06/29/2012 11:17:05 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: buffaloguy

I like your amendments!

I would add Repeal the 16th Amendment and enact the FairTax:

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_faq


37 posted on 06/29/2012 11:17:52 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: SampleMan
...the problem is that we lack an intellectually honest rule of law to enforce it.

And we suffer an attenuated belief in the moral absolutes on which that rule of law was based; and that they are codified in the Bible, which is a book of prophecy as well as history. Its final outcomes have not yet unfolded.

As Tocqueville and Adams noted, our system can only work if we are a virtuous people.

38 posted on 06/29/2012 11:18:42 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: Albion Wilde

A peaceful “partition of the country” in order to keep the ratio of “represented/representatives” at a better ratio.

Unites States of Atlantica - eastern seaboard, new england, great lakes.

United States of America - Heartland, South, Texas, and florida, Capital located Texas or Omaha.

United States of Pacifica - Washington to California, Nevada and Arizona, Hawaii and Alaska, Capital in San Fransisco.


39 posted on 06/29/2012 11:19:54 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: buffaloguy

I disagree, Buffaloguy. As it currently stands, there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the Constitution and that is the only situation I can see that would justify a new Constitutional convention. All our Constitution needs is a few relatively minor tweaks.

First, do you really want today’s crop of professional politicians (see my tagline) writing or adapting a new Constitution? They are the folks responsible for circumventing and corrupting the Constitution that we have. The Founders were a group of brilliant, honorable men who tried to consider every possible contingency in the document we have. Unfortunately, they never considered the avarice, immoral and greed for power and wealth that today’s crop of dishonorable politicians (at EVERY level and across all party lines) bear universally.

According to the Federalist Papers, one of the protections inherent in the Constitution that the Founders observed was the balance of power. That balance of power not only included the 3 branches of government, but it also included a balance between the citizens and the central government (2nd Amendment). Another unwritten provision of the Constitution that the Founders discuss in the Federalist Papers is the right of the states to secede from the Union. While secession is a hot button among most Americans (many of whom are STILL fighting the Civil War) it, nonetheless, remains an option.

I would prefer to see the governors of the 26 states that sued over ObamaCare secede from the Union first. This will force a confrontation that will result in one of two things - Obama will back down, or we go to Civil War, the Sequel. We are already seeing some of the first signs of this looming confrontation in the way that Obama has gone after Arizona. Given zero’s ego and his belief that he is the reincarnation of Lincoln (if not Mohammed, the pedophile), I have no doubt that we will end up with the second option. IMO, we are headed that way, anyway, as a means to correct the course of the ship of state.

Congress, long ago figured out how to write laws that were difficult, at best, to overturn. So, IMO, we will have a marginal impact by trying to correct the course of our wandering country by going to the ballot box this fall. After the 2010 elections, the Tea Party candidates we worked so hard to get elected, complained bitterly that they and their efforts were being undermined by the Establishment GOP who, essentially, threatened that any efforts the Tea Party candidates made to change the status quo in Washington, would be met with stiff reistance - not only from the Democrats, but from the eGOP. They have a system that is corrupt and perverted and just changing the players doesn’t fix the system.

So, for those reasons, I think that a new Constitutional convention will not fix the problem and will, instead, take a bad situation and make it worse. If you look at my profile, I have a list of thngs I think are necessary tweaks for our existing Constitution.

Thanks for letting me expound on these issues in this rant.


40 posted on 06/29/2012 11:20:39 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: Hostage

I agree. Good point.

let’s go with it.


41 posted on 06/29/2012 11:23:52 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Nebr FAL owner; DaveInDallas

What BS! Everytime someone suggests using this means of addressing grievances your type of misinformed idiocy comes out of the woodwork and yelps about a runaway convention or some such rubbish.

There is no chance for an out of control convention process. The Constitution expressly says that it takes 2/3s of states to pass an amendment and 3/4s to ratify it. That means any proposed amendment can fail to be passed by 17 states and any passed amendment can fail to be ratified by 13 states. This requirement shuts down any possibility of an out of control convention.


42 posted on 06/29/2012 11:25:37 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: WHBates

With a convention, you’re likely to end up with a worse document and they probably won’t bother to follow it either.

This one is not dead yet.


43 posted on 06/29/2012 11:28:32 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: buffaloguy

Great idea, but in the current climate with no leaders we’d lose big time.


44 posted on 06/29/2012 11:29:25 AM PDT by kenmcg (How)
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To: buffaloguy

Smart voters, throw them all out every two or six years.

The lobbiest will not know who to buy off.

Kids, it is the money in the handshake that killed america.


45 posted on 06/29/2012 11:33:09 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: buffaloguy

And just who do you think will be delegates to a 21st Century Constitutional Convention? I’ll tell you....Activists of all stripes from Communists to Anarchists, Facists to Liberals, Unionists, radical racists of every color, Reactionaries, Moderate Rinos, etc. How many Conservatives ya think will be there? Few if any.

I’d rethink this preposition were I you. We aren’t gonna find the caliber of men of our first Constitutional Convention by any means. To think we could, is akin to thinking that a modern race horse could be designed by a committee. Get a clue, or there will be a camel in your (and my) future.


46 posted on 06/29/2012 11:34:57 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: DustyMoment

“Congress, long ago figured out how to write laws that were difficult, at best, to overturn. “

Not praticualry different when you and the other federal power interest handpick and approve the “judge” of the extent of your own athoirty.

You say the Federal Constitution is fine as is, I respectfully point out that your statement belies that assment if only in its practical effect. We need some from of state level nullification & interposition to balance the greed for power of Washington D.C.


47 posted on 06/29/2012 11:48:43 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: DustyMoment

“Congress, long ago figured out how to write laws that were difficult, at best, to overturn. “

Not particularly difficult when you and the other federal power interest handpick and approve the “judge” of the extent of your own athoirty.

You say the Federal Constitution is fine as is, I respectfully point out that your statement belies that assment if only in its practical effect. We need some from of state level nullification & interposition to balance the greed for power of Washington D.C.


48 posted on 06/29/2012 11:49:08 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: buffaloguy

There is no reconciling an ideology of international socialist and a constitutional Republic. Split the nation - one free and one...whatever the elite decide.


49 posted on 06/29/2012 11:50:08 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: buffaloguy

There is no reconciling an ideology of international socialist and a constitutional Republic. Split the nation - one free and one...whatever the elite decide.


50 posted on 06/29/2012 11:51:45 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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