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Border Patrol union blasts DHS instructions to 'run away' & 'hide' from gunmen [O wants cartel in]
Fox News ^ | June 29 2012 | Perry Chiaramonte

Posted on 06/29/2012 12:33:02 PM PDT by NoLibZone

Border Patrol agents in Arizona are blasting their bosses for telling them, along with all other Department of Homeland Security employees, to run and hide if they encounter an "active shooter."

It's one thing to tell civilian employees to cower under a desk if a gunman starts spraying fire in a confined area, say members of Tucson Local 2544/National Border Patrol Council, but to give armed law enforcement professionals the same advice is downright insulting. The instructions from DHS come in the form of pamphlets and a mandatory computer tutorial.

“We are now taught in an ‘Active Shooter’ course that if we encounter a shooter in a public place we are to ‘run away’ and ‘hide’" union leader Brandon Judd wrote on the website of 3,300-member union local. “If we are cornered by such a shooter we are to (only as a last resort) become ‘aggressive’ and ‘throw things’ at him or her. We are then advised to ‘call law enforcement’ and wait for their arrival (presumably, while more innocent victims are slaughtered)."

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1 posted on 06/29/2012 12:33:11 PM PDT by NoLibZone
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To: NoLibZone

Obama wants the border overrun so the Cartel can kill Americans.


2 posted on 06/29/2012 12:34:29 PM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08.)
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To: NoLibZone

3 posted on 06/29/2012 12:36:50 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: NoLibZone

Just ignore the order the same way this administration ignores the Constitution. What are they going to do, fire the whole Border Patrol?


4 posted on 06/29/2012 12:37:30 PM PDT by beelzepug ("Blind obedience to arbitrary rules is a sign of mental illness")
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To: NoLibZone

“Obama wants the border overrun so the Cartel can kill Americans.”

If Americans don’t have the testicular fortitude to resist, protest, and stand up for ourselves we deserve to be killed!


5 posted on 06/29/2012 12:37:57 PM PDT by jimmyo57
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To: NoLibZone

Is this a joke?


6 posted on 06/29/2012 12:38:32 PM PDT by LadyEleanor
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To: NoLibZone

Another “historic” moment for the Kenyan regime. For the first time in history, AMERICANS, ARMED AMERICANS are told to “run away and hide” when they encounter a two bit thug. Way to go Barry! You da man!!! You p*ssy!


7 posted on 06/29/2012 12:38:54 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Constitution?!)
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To: NoLibZone

The Monty Python ‘Brave Sir Robin’ tactical retreat.


8 posted on 06/29/2012 12:42:23 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni

“I WARNED you, but did you listen to me? Oh, no, you KNEW, didn’t you? Oh, it’s just a harmless little Mexican isn’t it?”


9 posted on 06/29/2012 12:43:44 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: dragnet2

You nail it every time you post that. Mexico is laughing its ass off at the cowardly Americans who are now afraid of their own shadows thanks to Obama’s Supreme Court.


10 posted on 06/29/2012 12:44:12 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Constitution?!)
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To: beelzepug

Yes.


11 posted on 06/29/2012 12:46:41 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: NoLibZone

The cartel or just maybe non-cartel/non-Mexican terrorists? Who needs airplanes these days .... while TSA is patting down grandma and checking baby diapers, the border is wide open. Look at OK City .... don’t need an airplane for mass casualties. I know they’ve caught non-Mexicans coming across the border, but don’t want that info reported because then non-border Americans might get REALLY interested and upset in the fact that Obama is not defending the border.


12 posted on 06/29/2012 12:47:49 PM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: NoLibZone
Anybody want to try to convince me that this man isn't orchestrating the complete destruction of our great country?

No? I didn't think so!

13 posted on 06/29/2012 12:47:59 PM PDT by Humidston (For the first time in my adult life I FEAR my government.)
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To: NoLibZone

AND HERE WE GO AGAIN.

Documented proof that the FEDS have deeded Arizona to the Sinaloa Cartel, based on a deal between Calderon and Obama because they couldn’t stop the cartels. So it was better to let them fight it out, then make a deal with the winner.


14 posted on 06/29/2012 12:49:05 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: NoLibZone

Bump


15 posted on 06/29/2012 12:49:24 PM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: NoLibZone


16 posted on 06/29/2012 12:51:46 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: MissMagnolia; NoLibZone

Border Patrol does report the numbers and nationalities of the illegals.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/defenseandsecurity/a/otmaliens.htm

Easy report to read. You can go to the source documents if you wish.


17 posted on 06/29/2012 12:52:51 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: NoLibZone

not kill, he wants them to vote...


18 posted on 06/29/2012 12:53:55 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: NoLibZone

19 posted on 06/29/2012 12:54:38 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: NoLibZone

20 posted on 06/29/2012 12:56:32 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: hadaclueonce
not kill, he wants them to vote...

And a percentage of the take.

21 posted on 06/29/2012 12:58:56 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Hulka
Thanks .... unless I'm missing something, the latest date is 2006.

"Since September 11, 2001, DHS has reported a 41percent increase in arrests along the Texas/Mexico border of Special Interest Aliens," states the report. "From FY2001 to March 2005, 88 percent of Special Interest Alien apprehensions for both the Southwest and Northern borders occurred in Texas."

An increase of 88% from 2001 - 2005 ..... wonder what it's been since?

22 posted on 06/29/2012 1:01:45 PM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: NoLibZone

Cowed and compliant citizens hiding in impotent fear while awaiting their salvation by government troops is pretty much the liberal wet dream.

It’s also the most debased and degraded vision of humanity ever to be articulated.

Coincidence?


23 posted on 06/29/2012 1:05:40 PM PDT by gzzimlich
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To: MissMagnolia

The stats are there, just need to dig it out fro the CRS reports.

My son tells me in AZ, where he is a BP Agent, that OTMs are remaining steady for the last 4-yrs. Certainly a threat, for sure, but the cartels are an even greater threat as their violence is spilling over into the US.


24 posted on 06/29/2012 1:14:17 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: MissMagnolia

Think they publish for general consumption the stats every 5-yrs or so, though the data is collected yearly and put into a report to congress. With the Big O’s election and Nappy Pants in charge of DHS, you can bet ANY comprehensive reporting is delayed or slow-rolled because it would go against the story that the border is “as safe as its ever been.”

Bullocks.


25 posted on 06/29/2012 1:17:29 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: NoLibZone; All
Why is this a surprise after the full facts of Brian Terry's murder, at the hands of Obama/Holder Regime supplied weapons, was revealed over a year ago? See "Bringing a Bean Bag to a Gunfight" -nationalreview.com Excerpt:
"Border Patrol Agent Terry and the BORTAC team were under standing orders to always use (“non-lethal”) bean-bag rounds first before using live ammunition. When the smugglers heard the first rounds, they returned fire with real bullets, and Agent Terry was killed in that exchange. Real bullets outperform bean bags every time."
And yet Obama's foes on the Right and in the GOP never bring this up, seeming to themselves voluntarily elect to fight with beanbags. Does anyone doubt that if this occurred under a GOP administration the American people would have heard this repeated every day and at every opportunity?
26 posted on 06/29/2012 1:21:39 PM PDT by drpix
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To: NoLibZone

Under The US Constitution,The Federal Government has few powersI(and responsibilities).Among these are the maintenance of armed-forces,minting coinage,delivering the mail,and PROTECTING The Sovereignty of our BORDERS(Nation).!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


27 posted on 06/29/2012 1:37:04 PM PDT by bandleader
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To: NoLibZone

I can understand the angst of the Border Patrol Agents in being told to run. BUT it is an order and it is good advice.

When you start shooting you will want someone to have your bck. If you kill one of these invaders who do you think will stand behind you.

Your own Government will arrest you and place you in jail. It has happened before. No one has your back, just the opposite, they will throw you to the wolves.

My advice is to spend as much time as you can sitting in your air conditioned Government car, if you see something happening that isn’t right turn the other way, get your check and enjoy life.This is what the CIC wants you to do.

No sense endangering yourself and your career for people who do not appreciate what you are doing.


28 posted on 06/29/2012 1:47:17 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: NoLibZone

The Cartels and others must want their payback. Just collecting on services and contributions rendered.


29 posted on 06/29/2012 1:48:07 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: combat_boots

The rest of the order read: Lay down your arms. Stand back. These are future potential democrat voters entering US space. signed JANET


30 posted on 06/29/2012 2:04:38 PM PDT by spawn44 (moo)
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To: NoLibZone

I don’t understand the motivation for this at all.

All I can think of is that Obama wants to really punish Arizona, by letting drug cartels kill/kidnap Arizona citizens.

Another possibility is that when Obama took the oath of office for the first time, he said “I do solemnly swear, that I will execute” and then he paused for about 5 seconds.


31 posted on 06/29/2012 2:09:02 PM PDT by kidd
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To: NoLibZone
Several excellent articles on this website:

Local 2544 - National Border Patrol Council

Article: Border Patrol Agents taught to "run away" and "hide" when encountering a shooter

Families of agents shot in Mexico demand answers

BROWNSVILLE, Texas — The families of two federal agents shot more than a year ago on a Mexican highway have renewed their demand that the U.S. government explain the decisions that put them there and answer questions about how guns purchased in the U.S. fell into the hands of their attackers.

The parents of slain Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent Jaime Zapata joined with the twin sister of agent Victor Avila on Friday in Brownsville to remind the public that the government has not answered their questions.

ACLU teaching illegal aliens how to avoid detection in Arizona

On Monday, within a few hours of the U.S. Supreme Court's decision to let stand a key portion of Arizona's immigration law, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) released a video on Youtube offering advice to illegal aliens on how to avoid detection if they found themselves being questioned by law enforcement in Arizona.

32 posted on 06/29/2012 2:26:14 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; ...

Run! Run away!


33 posted on 06/29/2012 2:37:55 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: afnamvet; TheOldLady; BuckeyeTexan; Glenn; Cheerio; fuzzthatwuz; Cap Huff; aragorn; HOYA97; ...
Run! Run away!
Live to be laughed at
another day.


34 posted on 06/29/2012 2:42:42 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list


35 posted on 06/29/2012 2:56:12 PM PDT by Nachum (http://www.houstongalvestonlawyer.com/blog/2010/05/justThe complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: NoLibZone
and if they don't, they'll be prosecuted and or fired...
36 posted on 06/29/2012 2:57:43 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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This is satire right?


37 posted on 06/29/2012 3:30:00 PM PDT by Kevin in California
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To: UCANSEE2
And a percentage of the take.

Yup. And further destroy the US in myriad ways.

38 posted on 06/29/2012 3:31:11 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

Maybe he bought stock in S&W and Ruger. He sure acts like it.


39 posted on 06/29/2012 4:03:50 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: NoLibZone
OBAMA'S ANNEXATION OF BORDER STATES TO MEXICO WITH THE CARTEL'S HELP

Gotta add this to my list of 0bama's impeachable offenses; Failure to protect and defend the United States from invasion.

40 posted on 06/29/2012 4:07:24 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: NoLibZone

Oh now I get it.. Because Border Patrol agents might end up getting killed by one of Eric Holder’s ‘Fast & Furious’ criminal informants like Agent Brian Terry did?


41 posted on 06/29/2012 4:09:35 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: NoLibZone

I’d “throw things” alright...copper jacketed lead at super sonic velocities. I’ll take my chances with a jury of my peers.


42 posted on 06/29/2012 4:10:15 PM PDT by soycd
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To: NoLibZone
BWAAHAAHAAHAAHA!!

My gosh, but The Onion sure comes up with some funny stuff!

43 posted on 06/29/2012 4:22:53 PM PDT by Gritty (Obama says, I can be anything I want to be as long as you chumps dream your dreams-Mark Steyn)
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To: NoLibZone

Did they give them(cartel) more than guns?


44 posted on 06/29/2012 4:25:59 PM PDT by EBH (Obama took away your American Dreams and replaced them with "Dreams from My (his) Father".)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks NoLibZone.
45 posted on 06/29/2012 4:38:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NoLibZone

This is Obama’s America. It is sickening and time for armed citizens to take action. And just think, there are some on this forum who hate Romney so much that they do not care if Obama gets another four years. Fools. We will have no more country in four years.


46 posted on 06/29/2012 4:40:11 PM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: NoLibZone
This sounds like another way to make sure that we can't defend our border, Wouldn't want to put up any barrier to future Obama voters. There will be a rush before November.
47 posted on 06/29/2012 4:47:24 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: UCANSEE2

Which cartel did Obama arm with F&F? Have they run rival cartels off using Obama guns?


48 posted on 06/29/2012 4:48:28 PM PDT by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Impeach.


49 posted on 06/29/2012 4:49:35 PM PDT by Shady (The undeniable truth of the Obama Administration...The numbers do not lie.)
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To: Humidston
Here is the attitude of some on this forum. Lunacy.


50 posted on 06/29/2012 5:06:18 PM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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