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To: loveliberty2
Our nation has suffered from too much democracy, i.e. legislative tyranny in times past.

During the Critical Period between the Revolutionary War and the Constitution, our young republics ran wild with popular, democratic legislatures. While the people had not yet figured out how to legally steal from their neighbors outright, they got their legislators to pass laws that screwed creditors, inflated money, enacted ex-post facto laws, and generally impaired contracts to favor debtors. These faults were corrected in the Constitution so often derided at this forum.

Similarly, we suffer today from too much democracy. For 99 years the Senate has not served as the lid on the House of Representatives it was designed to be. No, our Senators are vote grubbers like the Reps, only worse, because they have six year terms and imagine themselves minor gods.

Our Framers got it right in 1787 and the 16th, 17th amendments have been our undoing. The American Revolution is dead.

29 posted on 06/29/2012 4:38:27 PM PDT by Jacquerie (The American Revolution is dead.)
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To: Jacquerie

This has never been a democracy, This is a Republic and we are allowing it to slip away because good men do nothing.

Take these commies and muslims to the wood shed and explain what they are messing with!

The only answer to clear the air.....

30 posted on 06/29/2012 4:49:47 PM PDT by tiger63
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Jacquerie, you are correct about the matter of "democracy" and the erosion of constitutional safeguards for liberty.

As we've discussed before on this Forum, John Quincy Adams, who was a child when the Declaration was adopted, 19 when the Constitution was framed, and served in various posts in the new government, including as President, was asked to deliver the "Jubilee" Address in 1839 in New York City. For readers who may not know about it, that complete work can be read here. In it, JQA traces the ideas and history of the nation to that date and discusses the ideas of "democracy" and "republic," as they apply to the government chosen by the Framers. These are his concluding remarks:

". . . the Constitution as construed by Washington, still proved an effective government for the country.

"And such it has still proved, through every successive change of administration it has undergone. Of these, it becomes not me to speak in detail. Nor were it possible, without too great a trespass upon your time. The example of Washington, of retiring from the Presidency after a double term of four years, was followed by Mr. Jefferson, against the urgent solicitations of several state Legislatures. This second example of voluntary self- chastened ambition, by the decided approbation of public opinion, has been held obligatory upon their successors, and has become a tacit subsidiary Constitutional law. If not entirely satisfactory to the nation, it is rather by its admitting one re-election, than by its interdicting a second. Every change of a President of the United States, has exhibited some variety of policy from that of his predecessor. In more than one case, the change has extended to political and even to moral principle; but the policy of the country has been fashioned far more by the influences of public opinion, and the prevailing humors in the two Houses of Congress, than by the judgment, the will, or the principles of the President of the United States. The President himself is no more than a representative of public opinion at the time of his election; and as public opinion is subject to great and frequent fluctuations, he must accommodate his policy to them; or the people will speedily give him a successor; or either House of Congress will effectually control his power. It is thus, and in no other sense that the Constitution of the United States is democratic - for the government of our country, instead of a Democracy the most simple, is the most complicated government on the face of the globe. From the immense extent of our territory, the difference of manners, habits, opinions, and above all, the clashing interests of the North, South, East, and West, public opinion formed by the combination of numerous aggregates, becomes itself a problem of compound arithmetic, which nothing but the result of the popular elections can solve.

"It has been my purpose, Fellow-Citizens, in this discourse to show:-

"And now the future is all before us, and Providence our guide.

"When the children of Israel, after forty years of wanderings in the wilderness, were about to enter upon the promised land, their leader, Moses, who was not permitted to cross the Jordan with them, just before his removal from among them, commanded that when the Lord their God should have brought them into the land, they should put the curse upon Mount Ebal, and the blessing upon Mount Gerizim. This injunction was faithfully fulfilled by his successor Joshua. Immediately after they had taken possession of the land, Joshua built an altar to the Lord, of whole stones, upon Mount Ebal. And there he wrote upon the stones a copy of the law of Moses, which he had written in the presence of the children of Israel: and all Israel, and their elders and officers, and their judges, stood on the two sides of the ark of the covenant, home by the priests and Levites, six tribes over against Mount Gerizim, and six over against Mount Ebal. And he read all the words of the law, the blessings and cursings, according to all that was written in the book of the law.

"Fellow-citizens, the ark of your covenant is the Declaration of independence. Your Mount Ebal, is the confederacy of separate state sovereignties, and your Mount Gerizim is the Constitution of the United States. In that scene of tremendous and awful solemnity, narrated in the Holy Scriptures, there is not a curse pronounced against the people, upon Mount Ebal, not a blessing promised them upon Mount Gerizim, which your posterity may not suffer or enjoy, from your and their adherence to, or departure from, the principles of the Declaration of Independence, practically interwoven in the Constitution of the United States. Lay up these principles, then, in your hearts, and in your souls - bind them for signs upon your hands, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes - teach them to your children, speaking of them when sitting in your houses, when walking by the way, when lying down and when rising up - write them upon the doorplates of your houses, and upon your gates - cling to them as to the issues of life - adhere to them as to the cords of your eternal salvation. So may your children's children at the next return of this day of jubilee, after a full century of experience under your national Constitution, celebrate it again in the full enjoyment of all the blessings recognized by you in the commemoration of this day, and of all the blessings promised to the children of Israel upon Mount Gerizim, as the reward of obedience to the law of God."

So said John Quincy Adams.

The ideas underlying our Constitution are not dead, unless we allow them to die! They are the enduring ideas which originate with the Creator, and if Divine Providence was present at this nation's founding and has an ongoing purpose for America's continued existence, then we owe it to Providence and the brave authors of our Declaration of Independence and Constitution to promote and preserve those ideas for future generations.

33 posted on 06/29/2012 6:31:54 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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