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Roberts Too Clever By Half
The American Spectator ^ | 6/29/2012 | ROSS KAMINSKY

Posted on 06/29/2012 2:33:17 PM PDT by nerdgirl

While Roberts has a point that we should elect better politicians, I would argue that it is, in fact, the Court's job to protect us from time to time; framing it as protecting us from ourselves rather than from those we elect is a distinction without a difference as the members of the Court swear, as do other elected federal officials, to support and defend the Constitution, not the people.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: roberts; scotus
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Good article, from a good writer who is VERY conservative. The article does not excuse Roberts for the decision either.
1 posted on 06/29/2012 2:33:31 PM PDT by nerdgirl
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To: nerdgirl
"I'm heading for Malta, to hell with this!"...
2 posted on 06/29/2012 2:37:46 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: nerdgirl

3 posted on 06/29/2012 2:46:11 PM PDT by I see my hands (As Islamists perpetrated 9/11 so SCOTUS perpetrated 6/28)
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To: nerdgirl

Roberts wasn’t ‘clever’ at all - he quite apparently is a fool.


4 posted on 06/29/2012 2:47:05 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: nerdgirl

I recalled Roberts’ confirmation hearing and made this same observation yesterday. During his hearing many marveled at how he talked and on and said little, and always seemed so slick and clever. It seems he is too slick and too clever by half, and those characteristics seem to be too much a part of him.

Some just enjoy being clever, and that’s not necessary a healthy thing, especially not for a judge of any sort.


5 posted on 06/29/2012 2:48:40 PM PDT by Will88
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To: nerdgirl

Obama threatened and Roberts folded.


6 posted on 06/29/2012 2:48:55 PM PDT by satan (Plumbing new depths of worthlessness on a daily basis.)
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To: Ron C.

Read the article, “clever by half” doesn’t mean clever at all.


7 posted on 06/29/2012 2:49:29 PM PDT by nerdgirl
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To: satan

Yeah that’s kind of where I’m leaning.

John Roberts has cast a hell of a lot of conservative votes in his tenure. That’s why so many people were surprised by this on both sides! You just can’t rewrite his record now and say he’s really a closet liberal. He’s not. You can call him a coward. A wimp. An a@@hole. But a liberal he is not.


8 posted on 06/29/2012 2:54:58 PM PDT by nerdgirl
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To: nerdgirl
Thanks for posting.

"Smart by half" is a cool statement for today, but the job of interpreting the Constitution remains, as it was intended to mean in 1787, a certain fidelity to that Constitution's intended substance as an enduring protection for Creator-endowed unalienable rights.

In "When Jefferson Dined Alone," Professor Jonathon Gross of DePaul University (Steerforth Press, May 2006) wrote:
"At a gathering of 49 Nobel Prize recipients at the White House on April 29, 1962, John F. Kennedy noted that never before had such talent been assembled in one room, except, perhaps, when Thomas Jefferson dined alone." - See.

Now, as to the intellect and wisdom of Jefferson, perhaps the Court, as well as all the rest of us, might be advised to consider Jefferson's ideas on interpreting and applying the Constitution.

"On every question of construction, let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p. 322.

Which is to be the more desired aim - "Cool by half," or to be recognized for great intellect and fidelity to the Framers' strict bounds and limitations on coercive power over the rights of conscience, property, and individual rights to liberty?

9 posted on 06/29/2012 2:57:28 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: nerdgirl

Fantastic article. We can no longer rely on the political process and our elected representatives to protect our freedom, that’s a joke. They manage to exempt themselves from the consequences they inflict on us, and extend their own power and enrich themselves with their wheeling and dealing. What’s not to love for a 21st century corruptocrat? They are not men of their word, that’s just something they have to pay lip service to in front of the peons to get elected-I can believe that they would be surprised that anyone would actually expect them to have integrity.

This, combined with an increasing electorate composed of people happy to vote themselves largesse at the expense of the shrinking productive class, is a recipe for the expansion of government and encroachment of freedom, which is exactly what we’re getting.


10 posted on 06/29/2012 2:57:52 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: nerdgirl

When the battle came, the brilliant brain in Roberts’ head proved as useful as a gun in a French soldier’s hand.


11 posted on 06/29/2012 2:57:56 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: loveliberty2

I’m actually yearning for Robert Bork at the moment.

We had a good laugh yesterday imagining Bork’s theoretical 5th vote.

This damn thing is BORKED!!!!!!


12 posted on 06/29/2012 3:03:39 PM PDT by nerdgirl
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To: AngelesCrestHighway; nerdgirl
"I'm heading for Malta, to hell with this!"...

He's headed for D.C. (or nearby) where he and his lily white family lives. He may have some concerns for their welfare, given what is at best indifference of OB and Eric to black racial violence against non AAs. If I had a son.....


13 posted on 06/29/2012 3:04:21 PM PDT by caveat emptor (Zippity Do Dah)
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To: nerdgirl
"“clever by half” doesn’t mean clever at all."

Yeah - it means: 'to be too confident of your own intelligence in a way that annoys other people" or "used to criticize someone for being overconfident in their thinking."

It also means, in this case to most conservatives, that Roberts was indeed not clever at all.

14 posted on 06/29/2012 3:07:26 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: caveat emptor
Just one more thing.


15 posted on 06/29/2012 3:10:23 PM PDT by caveat emptor (Zippity Do Dah)
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To: mrsmel

Agreed. It’s our culture that is the root of this problem. I’m appalled by how teenagers behave these days. What their parents let them get away with. The sense of entitlement. The laziness. The idea that the buck stops with somebody else. As a whole, we are raising a society of complacent, fat and happy, lazy, losers.

My kids are still small, so it’s easy for me to launch criticism at others who have failed to raise responsible adults. But we are trying our best not to raise insolent brats who expect society to save them from themselves. We read the 3 Little Pigs a lot - and that 3rd pig is the goal around here. Being polite, working hard, standing on your own 2 feet... these are values largely missing in a huge portion of our young adults.


16 posted on 06/29/2012 3:13:19 PM PDT by nerdgirl
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To: Ron C.

Exactly.


17 posted on 06/29/2012 3:18:19 PM PDT by nerdgirl
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To: nerdgirl
can’t rewrite his record now and say he’s really a closet liberal. He’s not. You can call him a coward. A wimp. An a@@hole. But a liberal he is not.

What record are you looking at? - surely, not the last three! He should step down if he is as righteous as you claim. HE won't - HIS ACTIONS scream while your words mean nothing! Not every liberal is a TRAITOR but he is!!

18 posted on 06/29/2012 3:23:04 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: mrsmel
which is exactly what we’re getting.

which is exactly what WE GOT!

19 posted on 06/29/2012 3:27:29 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name
3 votes doesn't constitute a judicial voting record. Check here if you want to see an analysis of his voting record.
20 posted on 06/29/2012 3:33:26 PM PDT by nerdgirl
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To: nerdgirl

It looks like that is from 2008, but I don’t think things have drastically changed since then.

The immigration ruling was just as crappy as the healthcare one, in many respects. What Obama has done in the last 2 weeks to our border is frightening, and will have huge repercussions for our national security.


21 posted on 06/29/2012 3:37:10 PM PDT by nerdgirl
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To: nerdgirl

It looks like that is from 2008, but I don’t think things have drastically changed since then.

The immigration ruling was just as crappy as the healthcare one, in many respects. What Obama has done in the last 2 weeks to our border is frightening, and will have huge repercussions for our national security.


22 posted on 06/29/2012 3:37:40 PM PDT by nerdgirl
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To: presently no screen name; nerdgirl

The only “freedom” people seem to understand now is the freedom to be as depraved as you wanna be. Why can’t they understand that if you’re not free to fail, free to be responsible for your own choices and decisions no matter what, you’re not free at all? It really is “bread and circuses”- as long as “the government” ensures their actual survival, they think they’re free because now they have the “freedom” to practice sodomy. Being a sodomite is no threat to the government! Being responsible for your own life is!


23 posted on 06/29/2012 3:38:24 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Will88

I got worried when he muffed the inaugural swearing in.

I’m not even a lawyer and I bet I could say it from memory.


24 posted on 06/29/2012 3:42:04 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: nerdgirl

It doesn’t matter what he did before - HE DID THE WORST NOW. Don’t tell me look at all the good he did when he just sold the country and our Constitution means nothing! Get your head out of the clouds. Unless you need to hide there.


25 posted on 06/29/2012 3:44:25 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: nerdgirl

“3 votes doesn’t constitute a judicial voting record....”
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No it does not. However, the more relevant question is does it represent a turning point—a specify time when a formerly good person went over to the dark side for some reason. Benedict Arnold was a good person but he went over to the “dark side” (from the American perspective; no offense meant for my Brit friends). But Arnold’s treason had some motivation and reason behind it.

And I guess only time will tell if this has been a turning point or simply a short period of aberration. If it’s a turning point, my biggest question is exactly what make a firm believer in a Constitutional Republic suddenly change his beliefs. Why, Roberts, Why? We may never know.


26 posted on 06/29/2012 3:45:08 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: eddie willers

“I got worried when he muffed the inaugural swearing in.

I’m not even a lawyer and I bet I could say it from memory.”
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There has been some speculation that that was done by prearrangement in order to conduct the real swearing in ceremony using Obama’s true name. Remotely possible.


27 posted on 06/29/2012 3:47:51 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: presently no screen name

Sure. That could very well be true. Even a murderer doesn’t have to commit the act more than once to be a murderer. So call the guy an a$$hole, which maybe he is.

But I like to know the WHY behind things. And repainting Roberts as a liberal is an intellectually dishonest exercise.


28 posted on 06/29/2012 3:49:20 PM PDT by nerdgirl
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To: House Atreides

Good point.


29 posted on 06/29/2012 3:52:03 PM PDT by nerdgirl
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To: nerdgirl
The dissenting opinion by three of the court's most conservative members (Scalia, Thomas and Alito) was very deferential and respectful of Roberts. I suspect these four have a lot of very interesting, intelligent discussions over legal matters and the role of the judiciary in the Federal government.

Roberts also sided with the "liberals" in overturning the Stolen Valor Act. That may not have been a popular decision here on FreeRepublic, but it was the right one. In fact, I suspect Scalia, Thomas and Alito dissented on that one just to practice their writing skills ... and to make sure it wouldn't be a 9-0 decision. :-)

30 posted on 06/29/2012 4:20:43 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Alberta's Child
Thanks for your post, I've enjoyed your other thread today. Charles Krauthammer has a good article you might enjoy, giving one of the best analyses of Roberts' actions yet. Roberts Rules To Avoid The Appearance Of Politics In His Court
31 posted on 06/29/2012 4:33:31 PM PDT by nerdgirl
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To: nerdgirl

you keep your head in the clouds or sand - until you figure out who is intellectually dishonest. Go cry on what ‘he’ must be going through - you sound like a liberal yourself- more about someone’s ‘feelings’ than OUR COUNTRY!!


32 posted on 06/29/2012 4:41:25 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: nerdgirl
Thank you!

That's a good article by Krauthammer, but I disagree with him on one key point: The constitutionality of ObamaCare has only been upheld on the basis of the legal arguments that were brought in this particular case. There are other legal challenges in the works that will be brought on very different grounds, as more and more of ObamaCare's provisions are implemented (legally, nobody can challenge these until they take effect).

33 posted on 06/29/2012 4:42:09 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: presently no screen name

Well I must admit, I do eat a lot of Quinoa. Liberal I must be.


34 posted on 06/29/2012 4:45:30 PM PDT by nerdgirl
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To: Alberta's Child

Good point. Ah well it’s probably high time to turn of FR and all other news! Sort of helps with the frustration after such a huge disappointment yesterday, but I could probably do more for myself by taking a good walk with the kids on this sunny day!


35 posted on 06/29/2012 4:53:21 PM PDT by nerdgirl
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To: House Atreides

He wouldn’t have had to muff it to redo the oath in secret. If he didn’t use Obama’s legal name, the oath would have been invalid, and he could redo it later that day when no one was watching.


36 posted on 06/29/2012 4:54:27 PM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: House Atreides
There has been some speculation that that was done by prearrangement in order to conduct the real swearing in ceremony using Obama’s true name.

For what reason --nobody who voted for him would care
37 posted on 06/29/2012 5:11:56 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: uncbob

“For what reason —nobody who voted for him would care”
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stier scheisse — Many of the idiots who voted for Obama in 2008 were actually foolishly voting for the fairy tale fictional version of Obama as Prince Charming that Obama and his handlers had created. The entirety of the REAL Obama has yet to be revealed—and he’s no fairy tale Prince Charming. He’s, in reality, much more like a hideous creature from Grimm’s Fairy Tales.


38 posted on 06/29/2012 5:44:26 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: nerdgirl
Well I must admit, I do eat a lot of Quinoa. Liberal I must be.

Nah -- Quinoa is pretty awesome it's the only 'grain' that's a complete protein in itself!

39 posted on 06/29/2012 5:49:24 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: House Atreides
Many of the idiots who voted for Obama in 2008 were actually foolishly voting for the fairy tale fictional version of Obama

mainly the Hollywood /TV created super black cool hero with whitely along for comic relief

Sad how brainwashed they were/are
40 posted on 06/29/2012 5:50:53 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: OneWingedShark

Lol. Yes! I really do love Quinoa. I manage to cook it using chicken broth as a base in my rice cooker, and can pass it off on the kids as “little noodlies” which they think are something cool.

Nobody sees me as a liberal though, despite my Quinoa love and the old pair of white Birkenstocks I may still have someplace from my college days :)

You don’t have to be the opposite of conservative in order to have some compassion for people trying to do the right thing in a tough spot, even if you think they’ve done the WRONG thing.


41 posted on 06/29/2012 5:56:17 PM PDT by nerdgirl
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Oh, yes, he was. He hung the term “tax” on the dimocrats and their bill.

Now the election will be lost because of an “illegal” tac.

People cannot be taxed unless it is connected to their income or to the geographic area and the population.

Far smarter than Obama ever will be.


42 posted on 06/29/2012 6:08:47 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: nerdgirl
You don’t have to be the opposite of conservative in order to have some compassion for people trying to do the right thing in a tough spot, even if you think they’ve done the WRONG thing.

*nod* -- Agreed.

43 posted on 06/29/2012 6:08:47 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: nerdgirl
So call the guy an a$$hole, which maybe he is. But I like to know the WHY behind things. And repainting Roberts as a liberal is an intellectually dishonest exercise.

You want to know why? Well, I'll tell you; The fix is in. That's why. The Federal Government didn't just pass a Health Care Law. It took over health care. It moved in and wrapped it's tentacles around the whole damned thing. The ground is occupied. The IRS agents are hired. They have control systems in place and infrastructure and people and guns. And they're not moving. At some point this was made clear to Roberts if he was too stupid not to see it for himself.

44 posted on 06/29/2012 6:09:05 PM PDT by Poison Pill (Take your silver lining and SHOVE IT!)
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To: nerdgirl
If Roberts was so hell bent on making his decision based on elections, I wonder if he even considered that at least one of the 60 (filibuster proof) YES votes in the Senate was perhaps a "vote-by-voter-fraud"...in that fecal matter called Al Franken?

If you're going to be so petulant to the point of pulling bunnies out of your @ss...go deeper, and look at Franken's legitimacy.

45 posted on 06/29/2012 6:14:28 PM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery, IXNAY THE TSA!)
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To: Poison Pill

And that was singularly up to John Roberts to undo?

How about all the dip crap Americans who allowed this to be approved? Should they bear some of this responsibility, or they they all commies/socialists who should be run out of the country?


46 posted on 06/29/2012 6:14:38 PM PDT by nerdgirl
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To: nerdgirl
And that was singularly up to John Roberts to undo?

Undo? You must mean Re-do. He came up with the whole tax argument. In fact, he dismantled the government's argument and built them a whole new one from scratch.

And yes, it was his job to un-do it.

47 posted on 06/29/2012 6:23:36 PM PDT by Poison Pill (Take your silver lining and SHOVE IT!)
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To: nerdgirl

“I would argue that it is, in fact, the Court’s job to protect us from time to time”

We need to be protected from Roberts.


48 posted on 06/29/2012 6:52:03 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Poison Pill

Maybe. But if so, I think it was more out of a misguided attempt to protect the Court’s legitimacy then because the guy loves Obamacare.


49 posted on 06/29/2012 6:53:24 PM PDT by nerdgirl
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To: nerdgirl

“The problem is that between voter ignorance and apathy, and the bias of much of the media, sustainable better election outcomes is a thin reed on which to hang our nation’s liberty.”

Few truths are greater, injustice Roberts just condemned us to the despotism of democracy. That is what the death of the constitution means.


50 posted on 06/29/2012 9:18:29 PM PDT by Monorprise
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